Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

:lol: I've just seen Dalglish's 'let's not let Suarez Walk Alone' Tweet.

Deary me.
 
Mockney said:
I'm genuinely interested to know what the sensible 'pool fans think of this. You'd imagine at least some Liverpool fans are aware everyone is mocking their crackpot libellous statement. The ones who proclaimed it the greatest thing written since John Lennon died have been left with little choice but to champion it like fecking loons, but I'm sure there are some that see it as the RAWKish paranoid rant it is?
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Are there even any left, I've spoken to a Liverpool mate who's usually okay but even he seemed to be defending Liverpool's statement.
I've heard of a siege mentality but this is amazing even for them.
 
Dear me, that statement from Liverpool is a real embarassment. You'd think that a club of such magnitude would steer away from openly supporting a player found guilty of racial abuse. Pathetic, embarrassing, desperate... it's hard to find an adjective to describe that statement.
 
Listen guys, it's perfectly reasonable to think that the Independent Panel and the FA spent several months looking into this issue, several days debating it, found no evidence whatsoever other than Evra's word, and decided to punish Suarez as a result. That's definitely something that could happen.
 
Twigginater said:
Here's the Stoke thread on it:

Oatcake Fanzine - Suarez banned for 8 games

Quite surprising to be honest, they normally fecking hate us.
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We are hated for different reasons to do with Fergie, the perception of 'Big Club' arrogance combined with our success ---- Hatred of Liverpool comes from them portraying themselves as the perpetual victims who's troubles are always someone elses fault and that's not just football.
 
Redlambs said:
He once passed to Glen Johson and no longer expects him to park his car.

Clearly not racist.
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I believe he also had a black taxi driver once who seemed a decent sort.
 
I wonder if they have considered that admitting saying negro (or whatever word it turns out to be) might not have been the masterplan first envisaged?

It is almost like Captain Melchart from Blackadder goes Forth was in charge of their strategy and subsequent press releases.

Stunningly inept.
 
rednev said:
:lol: I've just seen Dalglish's 'let's not let Suarez Walk Alone' Tweet.

Deary me.
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Pat has only just seen it too:

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2010/2011 - Suarez banned for seven games
2011/2012 - Suarez banned for eight games (maybe more because of the Fulham thing)

We should have a sweepstake in the summer for how many he'll be banned for next season.
 
Olly said:
2010/2011 - Suarez banned for seven games
2011/2012 - Suarez banned for eight games (maybe more because of the Fulham thing)

We should have a sweepstake in the summer for how many he'll be banned for next season.
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Nine.

Boom.
 
Leroy The Red said:
Are there even any left, I've spoken to a Liverpool mate who's usually okay but even he seemed to be defending Liverpool's statement.
I've heard of a siege mentality but this is amazing even for them.
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We all know certain fans of every club can be spastic, so the ones abusing journalists or Stan Collymore can be dismissed as such, but the amount of really quite serious "us against the world" rhetoric being spouted on Twitter & the like is frankly bonkers. And again, it's the bile at Evra that I find the most shocking. Their whole defence was about negrito being an ambiguous word in Uruguay so simple logic dictates that Evra's worst possible crime was to misunderstand a colloquialism. But now he's a disingenuous liar somehow? Who can't be trusted (except when he claims he doesn't think Suarez is a racist of course) and should be banned for...something?

I sort of expect that kind of nonsense form idiots on Twitter, but for the club to promote it, and therefore legitimise it to their fans is hugely irresponsible. It's bordering on incitement. How damaging could that potentially be to the Kick Racism Out movement if the people who are expected to come forward are encouraged to become hate figures by the clubs whose players they accuse?

That's without even mentioning their incorrect promotion of his previous. No lawyer worth his salt would pass that statement for public viewing.
 
I wonder what LFC and the supporters' reaction would have been if this was some reserve player or better yet, one of Roy's signings.

Imagine it was Poulsen who had racially abused Evra.

He would almost certainly have been shipped out the back door and scousers would be tripping over themselves to praise the integrity of the club and the standards expected of Liverpool players, which Poulsen had failed to meet.

We'd get all sorts of sickening insincere spiels about 'The Liverpool Way', preserving the reputation of the club, and ensuring that all players meet the highest of standards.

Instead we get this embarrassing clusterfeck. There's not a chance in hell Poulsen would've got that statement from the club.
 
Even folk at Bluemoon are glad Suarez will be punished

8 match ban for Suarez. He deserves to miss every minute of it.
A gobshite of a player. No respect at all.

The fact is, that when you're gone, you'll be remembered for the impact you had on the people around.
Football isn't much different, when you retire and slip into irrelevance, you can be left on one side of it or on the other.

You can be remembered as someone who defined football, and have such an impression on the game that even 20 years later you're still talked about as one of the best:
Best, Pele, Maradona, than the likes of Zidane, Ronaldo (the original one) and now Messi.

Some players will be remembered for the characters they brought to the game:
Ronaldo (the other one) Roy Keane, Alan Shearer, Patrick Vieira. All flamboyant characters to say the least.

These are all players people want to talk to, give media jobs to, and there are just some nice guys in the game who will be remembered as just that, top class..not world class by any means, but grafters, and heroes in their own right.
The likes of Shay Given, seems to be the most liked player in football, not just for being an excellent keeper, but, for the work he does outside football as well. He gives back, like a lot of players do, because football has given him that opportunity to do so, a lot of charity work..he really was a pleasure to have at the club while we did.

Or you can let the game run you and define you. Be on the not so popular list.
Let the riches and the fame and the power get to you, and manipulate you.
Terry, Ashley Cole. Both great players but their own wrecking balls at time.

But this fella here, Suarez is out there on his own.
One day, everything he has now will be gone, memories of how good he once was, will be just that, memories.
If he finished his career tomorrow he would be remembered for all the wrong things.
Cheating, biting a player, a complete disregard for fair play by blatantly cheating to knock Ghana out of a World Cup, and now this is added to it.
The list continues to grow, never mind the game to game diving etc.
If it ended tomorrow he would be remembered with bitter hate.

For completely letting his teammates, club, fans down, just the game itself.
And Liverpool are left trying to defend a racist. Not exactly something that would attract many players to the club.


I realize that he has high views of himself and thinks he's all that, when his career ends, he will be remembered for all the wrong things, not for the player he was, or for the ability he thinks he possesses. But in pure hate.

He'd want to grow up and grow up fast, it's ok at home isn't acceptable. He's 24 years old, it's just not good enough.
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Bluemoon-MCFC: Manchester City, Man City • View topic - Suarez (merged)
 
That statement, unbelievable. Up until now I've been of the opinion that the way Liverpool and their fans have reacted hadn't been all that surprising and that things might not have been too different if the situation were reversed, but never in a million years would Manchester United put out a statement like that. It's an absolute disgrace and I should imagine that any reasonable Liverpool fan is embarrassed by it.
 
Kraftwerker said:
I wonder what LFC and the supporters' reaction would have been if this was some reserve player or better yet, one of Roy's signings.

Imagine it was Poulsen who had racially abused Evra.

He would almost certainly have been shipped out the back door and scousers would be tripping over themselves to praise the integrity of the club and the standards expected of Liverpool players, which Poulsen had failed to meet.

We'd get all sorts of sickening insincere spiels about 'The Liverpool Way', preserving the reputation of the club, and ensuring that all players meet the highest of standards.

Instead we get this embarrassing clusterfeck. There's not a chance in hell Poulsen would've got that statement from the club.
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Definitely, it reeks of desperation like the woman who refuses to criticise her cheating man for fear he would leave.

They seem terrified that he will feck off. Little do they realise though that when the time comes he won't care in the slightest for what they've done for him now.

They've essentially stuck their neck out for an ingrate.
 
Apologies if this has been asked before but are the FA going to reveal their evidence for the case?

Reason being is most scum fans I know keep bleating on about "Where's the evidence?" yet seemingly failing to grasp that there has to be evidence for a conviction to stick....
 
Good precedent, this. Firestarter should be and must be punished heavily.

Kenny, you're a legend yet you're a sore loser. Just accept the fact, the only fact, that Suarez was the one to incite this. Any man, including you I believe, would not take being taunted without retaliating. Especially if you're taunted a dozen times in such a short span of your life.

Just get on with it, Kenny. Let Suarez walk alone, otherwise everyone would be a racist as him.
 
Kraftwerker said:
I wonder what LFC and the supporters' reaction would have been if this was some reserve player or better yet, one of Roy's signings.

Imagine it was Poulsen who had racially abused Evra.

He would almost certainly have been shipped out the back door and scousers would be tripping over themselves to praise the integrity of the club and the standards expected of Liverpool players, which Poulsen had failed to meet.

We'd get all sorts of sickening insincere spiels about 'The Liverpool Way', preserving the reputation of the club, and ensuring that all players meet the highest of standards.

Instead we get this embarrassing clusterfeck. There's not a chance in hell Poulsen would've got that statement from the club.
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Exactly. That's the sad reality of it all
 
KingCantona87 said:
Apologies if this has been asked before but are the FA going to reveal their evidence for the case?
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I've read a few newspaper reports claiming that the FA/panel will release the evidence & conclusions within the next few days.

On another note, I've read that Suarez cannot sue the FA for defamation because the panel's 'opinion' is protected by the doctrine of qualified privilege; can any legal type here confirm this as true?
 
Ok lads. There is a precedent on this.

John Mackie of Reading was banned for 3 matches + 5 suspended (totaling 8) in 2002 for admitting to racially abuse an opposing player. The reason he got 5 suspended was because he plead guilty and apologized and hence got a softer sentence.

Same scenario where Suarez has admitted to using an offensive term but instead of apologizing he and his club have chosen to attack Evra instead and plead not guilty and chosen to fight the charge.

Seems like the FA are just being consistent for a change. Well done to them. Not sure what else the scousers have left to complain about.
 
Some more views from other boards...


Arse
Arsenal Forum - View topic - Luis Suarez banned for 8 games

The support Suarez is getting from Pool supporters is disgusting. Put into context what he said can only be interpreted as having racist connotations. Their official statement was a joke as well.
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West Ham
Knees Up Mother Brown - West Ham United FC Online: Forum • View topic - Luis Suarez is found guilty of racially abusing Patrice Evra

Liverpool Statement, A quick summary:
Honest sir he isn't racist, he knows a black person and everything. And sir he said something bad to me too so he should be guilty too of something.
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That statement is a disgrace - just like the club that issued it.
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Spurs
glory-glory.co.uk • View topic - Suarez charged

as much as i hate adolf terry, it would be almost worth him escaping a ban just to see the scousers go into even more of a meltdown.
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Seems like it really is them against the world....I'm sure that'll help fuel the paranoia.
 
Reading Liverpool's statement makes me think that they don't see that using racist terminology to discriminate against someone is equally as bad as having legit hate for a certain race, they even played the 'some of his best friends are black!' card.

I'm sure I read somewhere that Luis admitted to using the word 'negro' a couple of times, but nevertheless I was disgusted when Dalglish originally stated that Evra should be punished if he 'made it all up', what an absurd, tasteless thing to say and this statement just shocks me. No words even need to be said about how ridiculous it is, it just speaks for itself.

Perhaps Kenny should climb out of his own arsehole, tone down some of that arrogance and realise that this is not a case of MUFC vs LFC, or a case of Suarez vs Evra... it is a case of Right vs Wrong, Lawful vs Unlawful and such ridiculous statements about supporting one person over the other is so moronic, people at both clubs should support justice whatever it may be. King Bitter has lost all respect from me by turning it into something it's not.
 
Twigginater said:
Other fans for once seem to be fully behind us on this.

I wonder what I'd think if I was a Liverpool fan, because I don't normally mind RAWK at all, but I find the outrage at this baffling.

The LFC statement is just weird. I genuinely don't get it, and it seems it's caused quite a stir on twitter as well, with journalists from the DM and Guardian mocking it.

I just can't comprehend it, I am interested in the findings of the enquiry to see if they have any justification.
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In the US, historically we go by the 'drop of blood rule', if you have a black relative then you are black. I don't know about legally here or in England, but I can see someone arguing that you can't be racist if you're of the race you're referring to. That means Suarez could be seen as a black man calling another black man a racist term against black people. It seems akin to the Snoop Dogg defense, he can't be racist if he's calling an African-American a 'n*****', no matter if he's being derogatory or not.
 
I'm glad everyone else seems to have the sense to realise that Liverpool and Dalglish are showing themselves to be a complete joke.
 
gooDevil said:
In the US, historically we go by the 'drop of blood rule', if you have a black relative then you are black. I don't know about legally here or in England, but I can see someone arguing that you can't be racist if you're of the race you're referring to. That means Suarez could be seen as a black man calling another black man a racist term against black people. It seems akin to the Snoop Dogg defense, he can't be racist if he's calling an African-American a 'n*****', no matter if he's being derogatory or not.
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'Drop of blood' or not, really Suarez would not be considered black in the US though would he?

The Snoop Dogg defense holds up, Suarez' doesn't. He's not black.
 
Some players will be remembered for the characters they brought to the game:
Ronaldo (the other one) Roy Keane, Alan Shearer, Patrick Vieira. All flamboyant characters to say the least.
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Alan Shearer was flamboyant? :confused:
 
NewDawnFades said:
'Drop of blood' or not, really Suarez would not be considered black in the US though would he?

The Snoop Dogg defense holds up, Suarez' doesn't. He's not black.
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Honestly I have no idea. In the past, you could look very white and people would know about that black relative and hate you for it. Society doesn't really operate in quite the same way anymore, everyone in the town whispering about that black great-grandfather you had, racism is a minority position now so it's not as out in the open.

I honestly have no idea how a black person would feel about another black person calling them a 'negro' or a 'n*****', is that racist? Race of course isn't a scientific term, it's about perceptions, and Evra almost certainly wouldn't have perceived Suarez as a fellow black man.

And of course the rules in Uruguay are different, you have to be on the dark spectrum of skin shade to be considered black anywhere in Central or South America. So he couldn't have grown up considering himself or being considered black, almost certainly.

I don't think that should really matter, the incident was in England, those norms are the only ones that apply. And I'm just trying to think of what Liverpool could be thinking, I wouldn't support this perspective.
 
Does anything think that had it not been us but a different team that they wouldn't have still released that statement?
 
gooDevil said:
In the US, historically we go by the 'drop of blood rule', if you have a black relative then you are black. I don't know about legally here or in England, but I can see someone arguing that you can't be racist if you're of the race you're referring to. That means Suarez could be seen as a black man calling another black man a racist term against black people. It seems akin to the Snoop Dogg defense, he can't be racist if he's calling an African-American a 'n*****', no matter if he's being derogatory or not.
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Doesnt mean much if he's not identifying himself as black. Just because his grandpa is black doesn't really change much. You know why? Because he's mixed. If you're someone that has both Caucasian and African/black in you, what do you identify as? You see the dilemma? I know people that are mixed and it's a delicate issue for them because we all want to identify with something and feel we fit somewhere. White people identify with each predominantly and blacks likewise. Where do the mixed folks fit in? I just think that with Suarez, although he may be mixed, it doesn't diminish what he did. Liverpool are just picking aspects of his life that excuse all that has taken place and it's ridiculous. When has Suarez identified to be black and saying he has black friends doesn't say much either. Anyone can say that.

It's utter bull what they're trying to pull and they know it. Other than their appeal that I'm guessing they will carry through, this is Liverpool's last shot to hopefully lessen Suarez's punishment. I really doubt Suarez would get away with saying the n word. I mean why didn't he mention this when he was questioned. Maybe he himself, realized it was illegitimate. They're trying to skew the real issue here which is the action of calling Evra a Negrito and how that's unacceptable in England! It's the law. You follow it. End of. Liverpool know that but that they're trying to make this something that it's not. Not everyone that uses a racial slur is a racist but the bottomline here is using that towards Evra is just outright wrong. It's time to accept that and move on.
 
I think the punishment is too harsh.. pretty sure most wont agree with me.

"Negrito" pretty much means "little black man". It has a referance to race but the "ito" suffix is mostly used in an affectionate way, so although it has a racial connection its hardly an outright racial statement. 4-6 games ban would have been sufficient.

Terry's "black cnut" is a lot worse as I see it. Where's his punishment?
 
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