Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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Suarez successfully getting on the end of a cross would be a revelation, the useless twat.
Not to say it isn't wrong but Hansen comes from a time when it was acceptable to use the word coloured to describe black people.
I'm sure plenty of people have older relatives that haven't really moved with the times.
I'm sure plenty of people have older relatives that haven't really moved with the times.
Interestingly enough, he's actually done exactly what Liverpool are claiming Suarez did - used a term he has grown up with that is not politically correct, but is the norm for him, ignorance rather than intent.
The difference, clearly, is that Suarez obviously had intent and motive for his words to land heavy on Evra while the last thing Hansen would have wanted is to cause any offence.
feck off Hansen.Retarded idiot, colored people ... 
At least he had the brains to quickly apologize unlike Suarez and his Liverpool gang
At least he had the brains to quickly apologize unlike Suarez and his Liverpool gang
At £40,000 a show, Hansen would nail his foreskin to the table on live TV to keep his job.
Charlie Brooker likes this.
feck off Hansen.Retarded idiot, colored people ...
At least he had the brains to quickly apologize unlike Suarez and his Liverpool gang
I have to say Hansen comes from a generation where the word 'coloured' was actually told to them to be the correct non-offensive phrase. I had this conversation with my old man a few years ago and he was confused and upset, he genuinely didn't know and doesn't use it anymore.
It was jusy funny that he made such an ignorant mistake (but a mistake) at this time.
And as you say, he apologized, there would only be a problem if he defended his right to use a word that some would find offensive.
As I said above, I think this is exactly the argument Liverpool were making about Suarez and it actually puts an interesting twist on it. Could the BBC now sack Hansen for using a racist term? Of course they couldn't, it was an ignorant mistake. They've handed Suarez an 8 match ban for what could have been an "Ignorant Mistake".
I'm just playing devils advocate though, I'm positive he knew exactly what he was doing and obviously so are the FA.
I don't know about the 'cultural' defense with Suarez.
Hansen was obviously trying to placate and be helpful and concilliatory, so that's the context.
While the word can be used in friendly parlance in certain countries, the context is king, because what Poyet etc are not saying is that although that word can be used in a friendly way it can also be used as an insult. And then the context is important. The fact that it was in amtch of great rivalry is not even enough for me, as there can be camradarie between players even in that situation. So for me it was the repeated use of the word that shows Suarez was using it to wind up Evra.
Really agree with all that and have also witnessed family members of older generations struggle with this.
I think some people are too trigger happy now - a caller to 5Live just called this Hansen's 'Ron Atkinson moment'. Hansen was trying to say something constructive ffs, what Atkinson said was truly horrific.
Got to admire Hansen's response and I hope that's the end of it.
We can't be 100% sure, but since Evra's case was proved he's almost certainly telling the truth about him using it 'about 10 times'.
It's not Evra's job to let him know he's being offended, it would have been pretty remarkable for Evra to conclude he meant it affectionately.
It's not Evra's job to let him know he's being offended, it would have been pretty remarkable for Evra to conclude he meant it affectionately.
Hansen's done nothing wrong other than being a bit out of touch with the current lexicon which, for someone at his age, must feel like it's cyclistic in terms of what's acceptable. He's apologised and wouldn't, I'm sure, have used the term had he known it wasn't acceptable. I really don't think it's comparable to the Suarez issue, both in terms of scope or gravity.
Im not his biggest fan on the show, but that really should be the end of it.
No, just really unfortunate and quite hilarous timing.
Another linguistic expert would cause frivolous appeal. Suarez, nor Liverpool, has even apologised. Showing remorse is perhaps the biggest influence in a reduced penalty; but instead they've dug themselves deeper and deeper with their t-shirt antics and whatnot. I'll be very surprised if the commission reduces the penalty.
The second paragraph is correct. In case Suarez continues to play tag, trying to contact CAS, then Evra has the option to bring him before court for breeching of contract (Rule K I quoted) and ask for an injunction. Much like Sheffield Wednesday did against West Ham in the curious case of Carlos Tevez.
Huh, that last part is confusing, what jurisdiction would an FA injunction have over the CAS to prevent Suarez from contacting them? Or is this an injunction in the courts of law? Surely Suarez has the right to ask the CAS to take the case, and if they take it then fair enough, but they most likely won't from what you've said anyway.
If the injunction is in a real court, I take it that would override any internal sporting panel decision?
That's not been proven though has it?
I completely agree.
As I said, it was devils advocate from me, I think I was bringing it up more to highlight the irony of a die hard Liverpool pundit making exactly the mistake that Liverpool are using for an excuse.
Yes, obviously meant a court injunction. Sorry.
A scouser has said "Negrito isn't racist language. Hernandez has said the the same word at his old club to his team-mates"
They don't get it....they don't get it. We're in England and not in Mexico or Uruguay.
They don't get it....they don't get it. We're in England and not in Mexico or Uruguay.
Nothing really has been proven to us, except which rules have been breached, as we haven't seen the findings.
It's just like 'nigga'. Say it to a good friend, no problem. Walk up to a stranger and say it, follow him around the pitch saying it 10 times, not okay.
Don't know what to say to scousers that think the LFC didn't have any say on who was on the panel. Jesus H.
I'm going to be in Mexico in a few weeks, if I walk around calling black people "Negrito" do you think I would do so with it being no problem?
The funny thing is, I can't shake the suspicion that Suarez is no more a racist than Hansen. As his South American team-mates have pointed out, he comes from a completely integrated society. Everyone is sneering at the mention of his black (or was it mixed race/) grandad but this does mean he'll have extended family that are clearly not white. I just can't see someone like that being a racist in the same way that we've seen on terraces in England in the 90s (or in Russia now) In fact, I'd say he's a lot less likely to hold negative preconceptions about someone based on the colour of their skin than, say, Alan Hansen.
The only question for me is whether he was deliberately using terms relating to skin colour which he knew would piss Evra off. I'm guessing by the verdict that he probably was. Be very interested to see how they came to their conclusion though.
The only question for me is whether he was deliberately using terms relating to skin colour which he knew would piss Evra off. I'm guessing by the verdict that he probably was. Be very interested to see how they came to their conclusion though.
Spot on. The fact that he has come out so quickly and apologized is enough for me.
As moses said, it was more hilarious because of the timing than anything else. It seems like anyone to do with Liverpool is going through repeated brainfarts at the moment.
I've never thought he was a racist. I think he's willing to use taunts over skin colour as a means to unsettle an opponent. You takes your chances you pays the price, and all that.
Which is what Evra and the commission also said. So why Liverpool FC are perpetuating the word 'racist' is beyond incredible.
Richard Williams in the Guardian
Liverpool should take heed of the past and accept Luis Suárez verdict | Richard Williams | Football | The Guardian
Liverpool should take heed of the past and accept Luis Suárez verdict | Richard Williams | Football | The Guardian
I also don't care what players call their mates, as long as their mates don't care.
Fair enough, it came across that you were stating the '10 times' as fact.
This is what i also think. the negro insults were either pure idiocy or malice but not racism as we would expect from Ku Klux Klan. Make your choice - but either way he should be punished.
Evra himself said that he doesn't think Suarez is a racist.
The only ones who are saying that Suarez is a racist through allegations is Liverpool fans.
Sorry, no I'm just using what is in the public domain and unchallenged to make a guess.
At a guess, the ref confirmed that Evra was not smiling.
The other thing that makes me view it as deliberate, rather than an aberration brought on by a cultural misunderstanding, was the lack of an apology. The absence of a statement admitting an error, regretting it and promising it wouldn't be repeated.
1. You don't use affectionate terms with people you don't know
2. As a foreigner, the expectation/predisposition from the Mexican will be that you look down on him, so they are bound to take it as racist
3. It would be downright weird that a non-native speaker is making a point of addressing people that way
Don't
still find it cringeworthy seeing a grown man, in a t-shirt over a suit, giving an interview...imagine Fergie doing it FFS!
Catch up Pogue! This argument has been done to death.
Nobody is calling him Racist. He was charged for using racist language. If anything, someone who has grown up in a mixed race society or even family will know exactly what to say to get under their skin.
Two scenarios:
1. We're mates and having a pint and a game of pool for a few notes, you beat me and I say "Ah you bloody Paddy! Trust you to win anything with a pot of gold at the end of it!" You'd know I'm only messing around wouldn't take offence to it.
2. We're playing for opposite teams in a local derby football match, you go in for a sliding tackle on me and I turn to you and say "What's up Paddy? Trying to plough the feild to plant some potatoes?"
Both scenarios I'm using the term "Paddy", now obviously it isn't much of a Taboo, but you can see how the context can completely change the intent behind the word?