It isn't about acceptable Caf or TV lexicon. Kouroux's issue was with the word itself, not where it was used. I'm not taking issue with Kouroux using that word in the manner he did (I do, but that's another matter), I am pointing out to him the inconsistency or double standard of his post.
Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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It isn't about acceptable Caf or TV lexicon. Kouroux's issue was with the word itself, not where it was used. I'm not taking issue with Kouroux using that word in the manner he did (I do, but that's another matter), I am pointing out to him the inconsistency or double standard of his post.
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How stupid can you get? He's not accused of being a racist, but of makin racist insults! Their defense is akin to if Giggs elbowed someone on the pitch, and we protest the punishment by arguing that he's not a violent person, and showing his yoga DVD as evidence that he's actually a soft pussycat.
No fecking way is that real.
Come on, I don't mind Paddy Bashing on here, but if the BBC started at it I'd go mental.
And on TV in the context of making a serious point about learning difficulties.
Has RAWK seen that picture?
You're completely wrong.My problem is not with the word in itself, it's the fact it was said and repeated on TV.
People will use certain offensive words (racist,borderline racist or whatever) in their everyday life but on TV a certain level of decency is expected and specially from so-called pundits who get paid comfortably.
You completely missed my point whereas I kept point out the fact that Hansen was on TV..
This, and the often mentioned fact that the linguistic/cultural experts say the character of the word (naturally) changes with the context, it can be used in a friendly way, and it can be used insultingly. And everyone knows that Suarez and Evra weren't being friendly.
It's actually quite annoying that this is not explained by all the Poyet and experts from Spanish speaking countries, in that although the word can be used in friendly exchange the exact same word can be used as a highly offensive one too, depending on the context.
If so, I presume they will all sleep happy knowing that the case has finally been blown apart and their persecuted hero can wallk free, without any more interference form the evil Ferguson and his FA henchmen...
...until the next time! Muwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
I still can't believe that LFC made reference in their official statement to Evra's evidence being 'exaggerated and unreliable' in the Chelsea case, how is that relevant?
Ten times at that
There are so many websites, forums, radio stations etc that are behind Evra on this one. Liverpool and the fanatics with their Suarez songs/t-shirts are making themselves look very very silly - and they are ruining the name of a well respected club rich with history.
If I was Queen Kenny, I would have just said "nothing" and leave it to the club to sort out in press statements. He could have gone the Sir Alex way and said "The club are dealing with the case, I'm here to talk about football"
Instead, he's come across as a deluded fan and is making himself & the club look extremely stupid.
Well done Liverpool FC - you've really fecked this one up.
If I was Queen Kenny, I would have just said "nothing" and leave it to the club to sort out in press statements. He could have gone the Sir Alex way and said "The club are dealing with the case, I'm here to talk about football"
Instead, he's come across as a deluded fan and is making himself & the club look extremely stupid.
Well done Liverpool FC - you've really fecked this one up.
To be fair, I can't seem to find a picture of Hitler touching a black person, I think I understand what he's getting at now.
I'm actually listening to talksport.
They are tearing Liverpool and their logic apart
They are tearing Liverpool and their logic apart
This is becoming pretty sad though. I mean it's still hysterical, but feck me how down and out would you feel if you were a normal, rational Liverpool supporter. Seriously, imagine the situation had been reversed. Let's not lie, we would have had our own set of misguided tools who would argue in the way many of them have, but imagine if the club reacted in the way Liverpool have? It would put me in a very strange position and I'd feel unbelievably uncomfortable with how they've approached racism in the game and the consequent message they are sending out. There has to be a good few pool supporters who can't believe and won't accept the response from their club.
Yes, the lawyer pic is real. And yes, Liverpool's official website has been featuring the 'Suarez in Africa' video since yesterday. Sigh.
Doesn't look too clever if the mighty intellects that grace Talksport can drive a coach and horses through your argument.
I'm actually listening to talksport.
They are tearing Liverpool and their logic apart
Aye, I've never heard such a non divisive issue in my life.
To be fair though Talksport will take the position of whichever side will net them the most phone calls (and thus money) so going against the very vocal Liverpool crowd is in their best interest.
You're spot-on Hectic, I was having this discussion with a couple of neutrals (a Palace and Celtic supporter) on another forum last night. I said "If Rooney had been found guilty of racially abusing another player, I'd be disgusted with him."
But the Scousers have taken to this news in a very strange and misinformed way.
I know, it's absolutely shocking!
Nah, a 50/50 split is always the best fight for a phone in. No pool fans are actually calling in.
Is that actually Darren Gough on Talksport?
Another problem: In this interview where Suarez says "I called him something his teammates call him" why doesn't he just say the word, if there's nothing wrong with it?
It's really a shame the FA can't tell us their reasoning and evidence, this whole thing has become a mess, perhaps some of the Liverpool supporters would come back from the ledge a bit.
It's really a shame the FA can't tell us their reasoning and evidence, this whole thing has become a mess, perhaps some of the Liverpool supporters would come back from the ledge a bit.
Normally yes, but here they are actually blowing apart the whole thing. Even the fact Evra never actually accused anyone from Chavski has been brung up.
If a blatant pair of twats like Durham and Goughie can actually tear your arguments apart piece by piece, it's time to hang your head in shame.
I'd certainly like to think that, even if I'd been dragged along by partisanship to an extent, the T-shirt fiasco would have acted as a wake-up call!
I'm actually listening to talksport.
They are tearing Liverpool and their logic apart
Link?
Fergie could use his influence at the BBC to get Evra crowned Sports Personality of the Year.
I've only seen a sort clip of the t-shirt warm up but were any of his mixed race/black team mates in that show? Embarrassing if they were.
Yes! even out of work dancers have to do something
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EDIT: Ok back to Liverpool now.
They've decided to make a clear divide between supporting your player, and fighting racism. It's unbelievable really, as of course you can do both. There was nothing, absolutely nothing from stopping them releasing a statement saying they would support their player through these allegations, but due to the extremities and importance of the charges made, they will hold comments until a decision has been made, and the facts have been revealed. To act in the way they have, in the sense that it is impossible for Saurez to have done anything wrong, or caused offence, despite admitting to using a word that will have racial connotations here, means they have put racism in football towards the back seat. They are more concerned with supporting their asset, and making sure everyone as well as him knows that - even though that has never been in question - then with the idea that Saurez could have said something wrong, potentially could have caused a racial incident, and could have brought the game into dispute. It's as if racism has never really entered the frame for them, with it being so ridiculous and unlikely, but the fact is their reaction to this case has belittled the campaign to fight racism itself. At no stage have they afforded the situation with the proper respect it deserves, or the potential victim of the matter. They really have lost sight of so many things here.
It keeps going back to Liverpool though.
Current caller is saying Liverpool's biggest crime is ignorance. Durham is saying it's not an excuse because Liverpool have been part of anti-racism campaigns and they can't have taken them seriously because they don't seemed to have learned anything. About right.
Somebody made a great point earlier, would they be doing all this if it had been some bit-part player that they planned to send on loan to Leicester in January.
Same old, same old....Suarez is not racist, his grandfather is black.
It's beyond a joke now. Can they all just feck off and die?
It's beyond a joke now. Can they all just feck off and die?
Durham is actually completely right.
Maybe he does have a brain after all!
Maybe he does have a brain after all!
Durham is usually the king of the WUMs but I genuinely feel this time his stance is sincere.He was relalting the same stuff yesterday. I just don't think he finds Liverpool and Dalglish's actions correct in any way, and Durham's not one I'd label as PC
Actually they were calling Mike Phelan and one of our goalkeeping coaches unreliable, Evra didn't hear anything himself. Do keep up!