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SharkyMcShark said:
Raiola is a stubborn (read: money hungry) cnut.

If we're not going to give him what he wants then I doubt that fat shit will settle for less and he'll be off, probably to Milan.
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From what I know he's a cock of the highest order. If these are the kind of people Pogba wants to deal with we may be better off shot.

I have no time for people liek this wanker to be honest.

If it's all media bullshit then fine. But Fergie doesn't often come out and talk about youngsters in such a way.

If he wants out then he can go with a kick up his arse and a feck off. If he's staying get his head down and continue with his fine development at the club.
 
Anyways, was this guy Pogba's agent before he came to United?

If no, did no one from the club give any advise?
 
londonredmaniac said:
From what I know he's a cock of the highest order. If these are the kind of people Pogba wants to deal with we may be better off shot.

I have no time for people liek this wanker to be honest.

If it's all media bullshit then fine. But Fergie doesn't often come out and talk about youngsters in such a way.

If he wants out then he can go with a kick up his arse and a feck off. If he's staying get his head down and continue with his fine development at the club.
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Raiola is one of the most greedy, he wants to move players only to take the commissions

He works (unofficially) for AC Milan too, he brought there Ibrahimovic, Van Bommel, Emanuelsson...
 
Raiola isn't Pogba's agent according to that Telegraph article. The article states that the Italian Press have said Pogba's camp have Raiola to advise them in negotiations.
 
londonredmaniac said:
If he wants out he can feck off. Not arsed about players that don't want to play for Manchester United.
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He said in an MUTV interview literally a few weeks ago that he is determined to get into the First Team here. He said something along the lines of, "I've had a slice of the cake and now I want it all." He's a young lad and it wouldn't surprise me if he has misplaced his faith in his agent/camp, we have an option to extend by a year so he won't be going anywhere and I am certain he'll sign a new contract.
 
In my opinion, he's been good in the reserves - but then so was Possebon who was a similar player to him. Look how that turned out. Nothing is guaranteed with young players and you just don't get fecked around by their agents. Full stop.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
He said in an MUTV interview literally a few weeks ago that he is determined to get into the First Team here. He said something along the lines of, "I've had a slice of the cake and now I want it all." He's a young lad and it wouldn't surprise me if he has misplaced his faith in his agent/camp, we have an option to extend by a year so he won't be going anywhere and I am certain he'll sign a new contract.
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Are we still on this? Seems like this contract speculation has been going on forever.
I'd take any MUTV interviews with a pinch of salt. He's hardly going to go on Manchester United's official TV station and express anything other than his desire to succeed at the club.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
He said in an MUTV interview literally a few weeks ago that he is determined to get into the First Team here. He said something along the lines of, "I've had a slice of the cake and now I want it all." He's a young lad and it wouldn't surprise me if he has misplaced his faith in his agent/camp, we have an option to extend by a year so he won't be going anywhere and I am certain he'll sign a new contract.
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Fair play, don't watch MUTV so missed that.

I'm reserving judgement on the lad. He wants to be here then crack on kid, you're at the right club to be a future star.

If not then...well...on ya go. But I'd still extend his contract so he goes on our terms.

Time will tell.
 
Pexbo said:
In my opinion, he's been good in the reserves - but then so was Possebon who was a similar player to him. Look how that turned out. Nothing is guaranteed with young players and you just don't get fecked around by their agents. Full stop.
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With all respect to Possebon, Pogba has much more in his locker even at the lower levels. I don't like the revisionism that has occurred from some United fans since the rumours about Ravel's and Pogba's contracts. They are two extremely gifted young footballers and they won't be going anywhere. I haven't seen many if any midfielders who can combine Pogba's physical build with his technical ability, he is a special talent who we should hold on to.

I trust SAF will deal with this situation as he deems fit and the way he talked about the situation in his press conference suggests to me he'd rather communicate with the player than the agent regarding the contract.
 
Ray Peterson said:
Are we still on this? Seems like this contract speculation has been going on forever.
I'd take any MUTV interviews with a pinch of salt. He's hardly going to go on Manchester United's official TV station and express anything other than his desire to succeed at the club.
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Right so you'd trust a newspaper article with no quotes rather than the words of an obviously enthused Pogba?
 
In that interview fergie done 2-3 weeks ago about Pogba's agent, isnt there a line there that stated "we have an option on his contract, so we are in no real rush..." or something like that. Hints at a year extension should we choose to activate it......possibly.

Either way it is his loss if he fecks off somewhere else. Would love to see him break through here, but shit happens.
 
Ray Peterson said:
I'm not trusting anything. I'm merely saying that if he does want to leave, he's unlikely to announce it on MUTV.
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Clearly not but surely he'd be much more coy about his chances rather than start to talk about cake. He even dropped a little anecdote in about how he talked to Zeki about how he wanted to play more First Team football.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
With all respect to Possebon, Pogba has much more in his locker even at the lower levels. I don't like the revisionism that has occurred from some United fans since the rumours about Ravel's and Pogba's contracts. They are two extremely gifted young footballers and they won't be going anywhere. I haven't seen many if any midfielders who can combine Pogba's physical build with his technical ability, he is a special talent who we should hold on to.

I trust SAF will deal with this situation as he deems fit and the way he talked about the situation in his press conference suggests to me he'd rather communicate with the player than the agent regarding the contract.
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There's no revisionism involved. Possebon was a very talented young player for us and was closer to getting first team action for us than Pogba is now before he was assaulted by Pogatetz. He actually played for us in the League a couple of times IIRC and he was around the same age as Pogba and had much more of a midfield ahead of him.

I didn't use Possebon as an example of an average youngster to compare to Pogba, I used him as an example of how a seemingly very talented young player can just fizzle out to nothing and with that in mind you can't let yourself be held to ransom by a greasy agent.
 
Youth players should know about how United do things before they come here. If they think they're gonna push Fergie around then obviously they have no idea where they are.

I don't mind him asking for more, politely, as long as he signs the contract at the end of the day.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Clearly not but surely he'd be much more coy about his chances rather than start to talk about cake. He even dropped a little anecdote in about how he talked to Zeki about how he wanted to play more First Team football.
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I've not followed the story that closely, but I thought that was one of the issues that Pogba and Morrison are allegedly unhappy about. We're probably all speculating about nothing and the only thing I'd believe at this point would be an official club statement.

This is part of the problem with social media and the internet in general. Things get blown out of all proportion and any twat with a smartphone can start a rumour.
 
Pexbo said:
There's no revisionism involved. Possebon was a very talented young player for us and was closer to getting first team action for us than Pogba is now before he was assaulted by Pogatetz. He actually played for us in the League a couple of times IIRC and he was around the same age as Pogba and had much more of a midfield ahead of him.

I didn't use Possebon as an example of an average youngster to compare to Pogba, I used him as an example of how a seemingly very talented young player can just fizzle out to nothing and with that in mind you can't let yourself be held to ransom by a greasy agent.
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Possebon was a good talent until that tackle but for me Pogba has far more to his game. The revisionism comment wasn't aimed at you by the way. SAF sees Pogba in training and has a better idea than any of us as to how he will develop, he's already stated that he wants to keep him and we have an option to extend by a year anyway. SAF will deal with as he sees fit but as of now Pogba is a wonderful talent and we will aid his development to ensure he reaches the potential he's shown.

You can't look at past events and make direct correlations with how youth players develop, you have to deal in the here and now. He's a great talent and our midfield needs to be improved, let's get him nailed down here for a long time. Obviously you don't want to be held ransom by the agent but SAF's inference that we were in no rush suggests we are in control of the situation.
 
Decotron said:
We never "lost" Pique. His return to Barca was always on the cards. He was homesick and given his family connections with them it wasnt a shock.
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This may well be true but it begs the question of why United went to the bother of signing and developing him as his talent was never in question. Hindsight not withstanding, I watched him in the U-19 world championships and his class was so obvious I thought we had a certain future replacement for Rio.
 
Sonny Feehan said:
This may well be true but it begs the question of why United went to the bother of signing and developing him as his talent was never in question. Hindsight not withstanding, I watched him in the U-19 world championships and his class was so obvious I thought we had a certain future replacement for Rio.
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We sign him for compensation and sold him for £6m. There was never any real risk involved and while he might have gone on to be a bargain at £6m for Barca it was a fair price at the time. It basically funds our academy, sign youngsters for £X amount, develop them, they don't make the cut (or as in Pique's case, decide to move on) and we sell them for £XX, making a profit all the time.
 
This is why I don't care too much for the youth team. Very rarely do they become full team members, and prior to that it's just a headache of us stealing players, teams stealing our players, and the one or two every couple years who actually break through.

Our youth football seems to be a selling gaming now more than it is bringing players through. Thankfully we have had a few recent successes, but the vast majority get sold off. I wonder what the percent rate is of getting on the team vs. being sold or wasting on the reserves. Amos deserves a loan spell at his age.

It's to be expected, that we sell more than produce for ourselves, but you would think with the scouting game so widespread, we would have more successes.
 
They're actually just good to watch in themselves - a lot of local kids wearing the shirt and playing some very nice football, without the constant worry of the result and the league table. And when there is that player who - after you've been watching him develop since he was a wiry 16 year old - scores in front of a packed Stretford End, the process doesn't seem quite so futile.

Morrison in particular has been a joy to watch, he is a special player and it's been obvious since he was 15. Pogba is of similar quality. I'm fairly sure they'll both be staying and will get games soon enough, but if not, I still don't regard watching them in our youth team as time wasted.
 
davisjw said:
This is why I don't care too much for the youth team. Very rarely do they become full team members, and prior to that it's just a headache of us stealing players, teams stealing our players, and the one or two every couple years who actually break through.

Our youth football seems to be a selling gaming now more than it is bringing players through. Thankfully we have had a few recent successes, but the vast majority get sold off. I wonder what the percent rate is of getting on the team vs. being sold or wasting on the reserves. Amos deserves a loan spell at his age.

It's to be expected, that we sell more than produce for ourselves, but you would think with the scouting game so widespread, we would have more successes.
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Can you name another team in the top four or five places of the PL with more successes?
 
The rumours are getting quite strong now, aren't they?

It's all a bit disappointing, but we can't allow an untested young player - no matter how talented - to hold us to ransom.

He may have a load of ability, but it seems he's not got the right mentality.

The old adage has never rung truer: he'll be losing more than United if he leaves.

Same all applies to Morrison.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Can you name another team in the top four or five places of the PL with more successes?
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I can see where he's coming from though Pogue.

Our reserve players seem to be bred to sell on for profit. We've also seen a couple of quality prospects leave for other clubs - Rossi, Piqué.

Prior to this season, the conveyor belt of young players graduating to the first team had dried up slightly. Even now, a number of our young players have been bought in as opposed to developed from a very young age.
 
Feed Me said:
The rumours are getting quite strong now, aren't they?

It's all a bit disappointing, but we can't allow an untested young player - no matter how talented - to hold us to ransom.

He may have a load of ability, but it seems he's not got the right mentality.

The old adage has never rung truer: he'll be losing more than United if he leaves.

Same all applies to Morrison.
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Nope it's the same rumors being repeated. They're not getting any stronger.
 
R.Nilsson7 said:
Raiola's his agent? feck.
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Nope. As stated above, Raiola is supposedly advising Pogba's agents in their negotiations with the club.

Anyone heard of a website/magazine or something called 'tmw'? This was being used as a source last week for a story stating that Pogba has a meeting lined up with Fergie in which his contract negotiations should be more or less sorted. I've no idea who tmw, or whatever they were called, actually are.

EDIT: it's tuttomercatoweb. Some Italian news website.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Can you name another team in the top four or five places of the PL with more successes?
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Particularly since we've three academy graduates(Evans, Cleverley, Welbeck) who've been regular in our team this season, when fit.
 
It's disappointing to see all these 'feck off' type comments again. I wouldn't mind but you've got to be a mindless idiot to react that way to quotes taken from an interview from weeks ago which are massively skewed because half the other quotes are missing. You've all been played like puppets by whoever wrote that article.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Can you name another team in the top four or five places of the PL with more successes?
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How are we defining this? If we go by the player needing to be under 23 (as I said recently) and has played over 5 games this season (or would be without injury), and was in our academy for three years, we'll say:

United: Evans, Cleverly, Welbeck. I won't give you the Twins as they were groomed in Brazil and as soon as they were 18 contributed to the full-team. Gibson is close at 24, but I was comparing recently, hence my cutoff. Almost with Fryers, but that's related more to injuries than him being good enough to break through on his own.

Arsenal have Wilshere, Frimpong and Gibbs.

Spurs: Townsend, Livermore

City: Richards (they almost have Hart)

Pool: Kelly

Chelsea: McEachran

So by my count: United and Arsenal tie at 3, Spurs come in second with 2, City, Pool, and Chelsea tie for last at 1. Not that big a difference.

And I'm not picking on just us. It's all the big teams who have enough funds to create a Footballing Youth Factory. Each of our products was manufactured by former professionals and world-class coaches. They even come with our certified mark of fancy club approval! Get them while they last this season!

It's another source of income these days.

It's the state of the youth game these days. If my son had a choice, I'd ask him to really think about going to one of the lower-end teams' development cycle. Or better yet, abroad.
 
In conclusion. It's become very difficult to bring youngsters through to the first team whilst ham-strung by the FA "one hour" rule and attempting to win the league against clubs bank-rolled by billionaires.

Despite all this, United strikes a better balance than all the other clubs in the country, whilst also generating a decent amount of income from youth team products who eventually end up being sold to other clubs.

Not sure there'a anything we could/should be doing differently?
 
Yeah.....they are going to get MUCH more playing time at city.....they are going nowhere, relax.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Can you name another team in the top four or five places of the PL with more successes?
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You of course have a point - we are a lot more succesful than the other top clubs when it comes to bringing players through, especially if what you look at is youth players who end up as good players not necessarily playing for United.

But that doesnt change the fact that following the youth team is a frustrating circle of getting your hopes up about a young talent only for them to end up being sold most of the time. We have Evans, Welbeck right now, but between them and the class of '92 we havent had much success. Fletcher and O'Shea are the only ones that come to mind, and even they were decent, loyal and versatile players who always gave their best more than great talents.

The vast majority of the time the youngsters end up not playing for United for any prolonged period of time. Which makes it too much of a hassle to get deeply involved it for me at least.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Yeah.....they are going to get MUCH more playing time at city.....they are going nowhere, relax.
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exactly. Sometimes it builds up in peoples heads but this is exactly the same shite we've been reading for 1/2/3 whatever months. They can't even get Morrisons length of contract right. I'm sure it'll be resolved in due course and lets face it..Rio was a cnut...Vidic...why not Pogba? But if evidently he's got a dick for an agent so we have to be patient.
 
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