Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

Vidic_In_Moscow said:
You're right. I just don't think Liverpool - no matter how stupid they have been, have created an atmosphere where anyone could think it's okay to racially abuse someone. Although their actions seem to have swayed a lot of their fans' moral compass, so who am I to say otherwise.
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Have you read some of the comments aimed at Evra in recent weeks, by Liverpool fans, in the comments sections of online newspaper articles, on twatter or on bakebook? The amount of times "black bastard" and the word that I shall not say have been used, by LFC fans, acting in defence of Suarez, has been ridiculous. If you really think the club hold none of the responsibility for how their fans have been reacting then I think you need a reread of the thread mate, and read some of the articles that have been linked in here.

By not condemning the words of their player, Liverpool football club have stated, by Suarez own admission of his use of Negro, that referring to black players using their skin colour is perfectly fine. It's friendly in fact, you can say it to your friends, even your wife can call you it. Suarez and Liverpool have admitted he used this word, once, but in a non racist way. Their fans agree. It's no stretch at all that those fans now feel justified in using this word, and others, to black players. The club says its not racist, so why shouldn't they?

The fan, if the story is true, is in the wrong, and responsible for his own actions, but Liverpool as a club should be ashamed that their failure to condemn their player for using the reprehensible word he used has caused the shitstorm it has caused. They hold some responsibility for this current situation, and the malice it has fostered amongst their fans. You're blind if you can't see this mate.
 
The Neviller said:
Have you read some of the comments aimed at Evra in recent weeks, by Liverpool fans, in the comments sections of online newspaper articles, on twatter or on bakebook? The amount of times "black bastard" and the word that I shall not say have been used, by LFC fans, acting in defence of Suarez, has been ridiculous. If you really think the club hold none of the responsibility for how their fans have been reacting then I think you need a reread of the thread mate, and read some of the articles that have been linked in here.

By not condemning the words of their player, Liverpool football club have stated, by Suarez own admission of his use of Negro, that referring to black players using their skin colour is perfectly fine. It's friendly in fact, you can say it to your friends, even your wife can call you it. Suarez and Liverpool have admitted he used this word, once, but in a non racist way. Their fans agree. It's no stretch at all that those fans now feel justified in using this word, and others, to black players. The club says its not racist, so why shouldn't they?

The fan, if the story is true, is in the wrong, and responsible for his own actions, but Liverpool as a club should be ashamed that their failure to condemn their player for using the reprehensible word he used has caused the shitstorm it has caused. They hold some responsibility for this current situation, and the malice it has fostered amongst their fans. You're blind if you can't see this mate.
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Agree with that.

Liverpool sent the wrong message. Just emboldens idiot racists to do what happened tonight.
 
Such a shame that a club of Liverpool's stature can completely embarrass themselves as they have in this incident. They were in a difficult position with Suarez and chose, unwisely, to openly support him, despite being proved to be racist. Then they claim it is a false ruling but don't appeal, knowing that they are wrong but trying not to lose face by contradicting themselves. I think many at Liverpool took the incident as a United vs Liverpool debate, which couldn't have been further from the truth. It was a clear incident of racial abuse which we have been trying to eradicate from the game for years, and the fact Evra plays for United is mere coincidence.

It's difficult to tell if this incident is related. I'd say there isn't a huge link, but I agree that Liverpool have again put themselves in a difficult position by failing to condemn their own players for doing something similar. This incident is a disgrace but, while in an overwhelming minority, this kind of thing happens at every club and I've heard things like this said at Old Trafford in the past. I guess the difference is that a snide comment/attempted joke to a mate is a completely different thing to direct racist abuse of a player. Obviously neither should happen but the latter is a more serious matter in that it is an attempt to upset a player on a purely racial basis, rather than an attempt at humour or snide comment that isn't intended to be in the player's earshot.

The way I see it, whoever this twat is was trying his hardest to wind the lad up, and got exactly what he wanted. The lad is inexperienced and seemed understandably shaken by the incident, but the way he reacted definitely played into this abuser's hands. Without doubt, there will be people in the Liverpool crowd who know exactly who is involved, but whether they'd turn him in is another matter. I just hope the investigation ends in someone being held responsible, though it will be difficult if no-one from the crowd reports it.

Liverpool really are cracking up here. Usually I enjoy this sort of thing, but this whole incident really leaves a sour taste, and I think it is truly sad that a club with Liverpool's great history and stature can sink to this level.
 
I'm convinced it was "manc bastard" that was said because so many Liverpool fans were close enough to hear it...
 
By the way, has it been picked up that one of the tweets from Joshua Cryer highlighted by Stan Collymore was a Suarez/Evra chant? The fallout of this saga is bigger than anyone could have anticipated.
 
Liverpool & Dog Leash have really fecked themselves in the ass with all this - "its ok for Luis to call someone a Negro because he does it all the time". feckin dispicable shower of bastards. All respect i had for them has gone. There's no way our beloved club would do the shit they did with the backing & t-shirt wearing support for a guy who admitted he referred to someone by his race, and backed that up several times. fecksake, skin is only colour. Get with the feckin programme you fascist fecks. Pool players helpin that Oldam lad out is feckin contradictory to their stance. Seems its ok if its a United player with those twats. That club has created a monster for them & our rivalry with them has gone through the roof now. feck them & feck them good!
 
I wonder if the person in question is found guilty, whether he'll be banned from attending Liverpool's next 8 matches - only for Dalglish to come out and say that the punishment is ridiculous, before getting all his players to don t-shirts in support of the fan, saying the Oldham lad is part of a wider conspiracy and he actually meant it as a term of affection (after changing his story 3 times).

The said Liverpudlian will then come out and admit using the word, but he will claim that it's fine, because he says it all the time and that's what his wife calls him.



...in all seriousness though, can't tarnish an entire club on the action of one mindless person. However, I dare say Dalglish & Liverpool's flippant attitude to the whole saga cannot have helped. Not one bit.
 
Suarez is probably the only person in the history of world who has become a legend for insulting another person in a racist manner. What on earth do they glorify him for? Even if he hasn't meant to be racist it's still not a thing that you would admire a person for.
 
Whatever was said to the lad he's obviously very upset. Classy the way Liverpool fans react to it by belting out the Suarez song. Is that goin to be their answer now any time a black player upsets the kop?
 
Luis Suarez, the racist who will never grow old.

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Bet he calls them Negro's, but in a friendly way. All makes sense now.
 
Police have nabbed the cnut that Stan Collymore reported. Would be very nice to see an example made of the vile little shit.
 
Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere - but I've only just seen this. Really thought it was the actions of one prick ... but A LOT of the Scousers start singing the Luis Suarez song AT him, it's sickening and really feel for the lad. No better than the Chelsea songs about Anton at Genk IMO.

What the feck is happening to football.

fecking Liverpool & Dalglish's attitude is responsible for making this tribal. And the result is this.

Anyway, here's the video from last night.

 
Judge Red said:
Here's the first confirmed sighting of the accused surrounded by black and Asian fans, exactly as described by Damage Limitation Unit.

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They just look like total tools TBH. What odds they are daytrippers. I really hope their not Irish lads as I don't want us getting a bad name of their backs.

99 red balloons said:
Unfortunately, if it's the same charge as Terry faces - the worst that he can expect is a £2,500 fine. Disgrace.
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I didn't see the tweets. Were they very bad?
 
Aye - they were pretty horrific if I'm honest. If you look in his Favourited tweets, he did have them all saved there for everyone to see.
 
99 red balloons said:
Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere - but I've only just seen this. Really thought it was the actions of one prick ... but A LOT of the Scousers start singing the Luis Suarez song AT him, it's sickening and really feel for the lad. No better than the Chelsea songs about Anton at Genk IMO.

What the feck is happening to football.

fecking Liverpool & Dalglish's attitude is responsible for making this tribal. And the result is this.

Anyway, here's the video from last night.

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well done for posting this.

Evidence of what Liverpool FC and KKK have created at Klanfield.

The FA will have to step in at some stage .... home games behind close doors for a while will sort out their bile fans.
 
The Neviller said:
Have you read some of the comments aimed at Evra in recent weeks, by Liverpool fans, in the comments sections of online newspaper articles, on twatter or on bakebook? The amount of times "black bastard" and the word that I shall not say have been used, by LFC fans, acting in defence of Suarez, has been ridiculous. If you really think the club hold none of the responsibility for how their fans have been reacting then I think you need a reread of the thread mate, and read some of the articles that have been linked in here.

By not condemning the words of their player, Liverpool football club have stated, by Suarez own admission of his use of Negro, that referring to black players using their skin colour is perfectly fine. It's friendly in fact, you can say it to your friends, even your wife can call you it. Suarez and Liverpool have admitted he used this word, once, but in a non racist way. Their fans agree. It's no stretch at all that those fans now feel justified in using this word, and others, to black players. The club says its not racist, so why shouldn't they?

The fan, if the story is true, is in the wrong, and responsible for his own actions, but Liverpool as a club should be ashamed that their failure to condemn their player for using the reprehensible word he used has caused the shitstorm it has caused. They hold some responsibility for this current situation, and the malice it has fostered amongst their fans. You're blind if you can't see this mate.
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Even if Liverpool have sent out this message, people can think for themselves. I'd like to think if the reverse thing happened and Man Utd were in Liverpool's position - I wouldn't just start to racially abuse people. My point being this guy probably didn't just begin to think it's acceptable, and if he did then it's his own fault for not being able to think independently.

Liverpool have acted irresponsibly, immorally and pathetically enough in this affair, without us trying to say that they directly or indirectly caused or contributed to a man deciding to racially abuse a player - at a time where we know almost nothing about the man or what happened specifically. There's all kinds of possibilities to consider before we make a direct correlation.
 
People sum this up well with one word - tribalism.

We've all been to a football game where you do something you'd never do outside of the mob that is a football crowd. It's called mob mentality for a reason. Derren Brown did a fantastic programme on it recently, and it affects nearly everyone.

The likes of Dalglish have supported their player through it all, you might say that shows how loyal they are, when really, and what he's not realising, is that he's condoning it. When 'the King' condones racist behaviour (to an extent, obviously), why would supporters feel that it's no longer immoral and wrong? You aren't going to shout 'you black ***' at everyone, but instead, will show your continuing support for Suarez, so that you don't actually feel that you're doing anything wrong, but you're still making a point.

When you're in a crowd, most of your principles go out the window, it's why you get Hillsborough/Munich chants, and Dalglish is giving them a warrant to say what they like.

Of course you'll still get the able minded amongst them, who still realise that it's wrong, but it won't stop them singing about Suarez as a substitute for racism.
 
Vidic_In_Moscow said:
Even if Liverpool have sent out this message, people can think for themselves. I'd like to think if the reverse thing happened and Man Utd were in Liverpool's position - I wouldn't just start to racially abuse people. My point being this guy probably didn't just begin to think it's acceptable, and if he did then it's his own fault for not being able to think independently.

Liverpool have acted irresponsibly, immorally and pathetically enough in this affair, without us trying to say that they directly or indirectly caused or contributed to a man deciding to racially abuse a player - at a time where we know almost nothing about the man or what happened specifically. There's all kinds of possibilities to consider before we make a direct correlation.
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Who's making a direct correlation though. People are just suggesting that Liverpool as a club have created, through a lack of condemnation of a racist act, a situation and an environment where racial abuse is fine, certain words are friendly and not racist. And even if they are racist, so what? That's how Liverpool fans are viewing this, you just have to talk to them or read what they write on RAWK to know this is the general feeling of Liverpool fans at the present.

Like I said, read the comments sections in recent newspaper articles, Liverpool fans casually using racist words. Did they post those on those comments sections previously or just recently?

Liverpool need to accept some responsibility for this. I agree, the guy hurling racist abuse did so at his own choosing, but it's easy to see how some idiots would think if it's ok for their hero it's ok for them.
 
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The lad to the far right was caught in an unfortunate pose here. You don't want to be seen in what looks like a monkey pose while hurling non-racist abuse at a black player.
 
IMVHO.

If we were in liverpool's position I am 100% sure our fans and club would not have acted like Liverpool. I am sure no one here would have abused the other player by his skin color except maybe some very few spastics.

The number of people abusing rawk and everything the club , KK have said is cringeworthy.

I mean they could have just silenced the whole issue by apologizing and every thing would have been fine.
 
Posts from a Liverpool fan. Credit to him, he's contacted the police:

I was sat in my usual seat in the LC in row 4, and I definitely heard a racist shout, and immediately looked to my left, don't know if it was directed at Adeyemi, but it was just at the beginning of the Luis Suarez song, which consequently led to the furious reaction. Left me a bit shocked and saddened so I left 5 mins early and missed our last two goals. As an ethnic supporter myself, I hope whoever said it gets banned from Anfield, so we can keep it racist free.

Still feeling a bit down, especially coming so soon after the Suarez ban.

I heard a loud shout of bl**k ba**ard.
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I'm seriously considering contacting the club, but as it's already out there what was said, I'm assuming the idiot will be done.
I sit in the LC, KM on the 4th row as a regular. I even told the guy next to me why the player was wound up and what I heard from the kop.
I texted a few people with what I heard too, immediately after the game...definitely didn't sound like manc.
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I never leave early but yesterday I felt really uncomfortable, we're a great club, but at this moment in time we're an ongoing circus, thought this was behind us with the Cowboys we last had in charge.
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@The_Neviller

I'm happy to agree to disagree, I can see both sides pretty clearly and as moses said, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Surely this is the ideal time to remove some dead wood from the gene pool though.
 
I think he's just adjusting his top, tbh.
 
Judge Red said:
The lad to the far right was caught in an unfortunate pose here. You don't want to be seen in what looks like a monkey pose while hurling non-racist abuse at a black player.
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I thought you were referring to the guy to the left of him at first, you missed a good 'far right' pun there, judging by the unfortunate salute the guy is almost making.
 
Gary Gillespie just on Irish radio here spouting the same rubbish Dalglish has been at. club apologised (really?) Suarez apology was a good one. Liverpool is handling everything properly. There is a conspiracy. Dear Jesus what is wrong with these people
 
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