Name another manager in the Premier League, or European Football that would be stupid enough to do this...
Joke of a man.
Joke of a man.
Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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It's actually quite a feat that Dalglish has managed to be more of a cnut than Suarez is. His press conference from after the match on Saturday was a fecking disgrace, asking why should he be concerned about the booing of Evra, and saying he was booed when he was a player. Is he really that much of a prick or is that just genuine stupidity?
Coming from the man who complained that the treatment of Suarez from Fulham fans was a disgrace.
Coming from the man who complained that the treatment of Suarez from Fulham fans was a disgrace.
Agree with everything you have said.
To advocate racism in this day and age.
Unbelievable.
The sad thing is... will this encourage players to speak out about racist behaviour in the future?? Knowing they could get abused/ vilified / sent death threats (in the case of Ferdinand) for it?
It's depressing.
It's depressing.
so long as it is brushed aside, it will never be dealt with. Its not just Liverpool that is guilty here but certain sections of the media potraying this whole thing as just a Liverpool v United and a Suarez v Evra thing.
Dalglish has single-handedly decimated the work of the anti-racism movement in English football, and he's still making light of it in interviews.
When he came back to manage those twats, I said at the time he was a cnut and I was rounded on by some feckers on this forum. He's always been a cnut and he'll never change
Black people are merely 'tolerated' in professional British football, because of their talent but for no other reason. Organised football in Britain is an intrinsically immature sport, intellectually-speaking; for example, how many of us were trained to lap the pitch a hundred times, rather than concentrate on skills? How many of our coaches & managers were tantamount to glorified PE teachers? Sure, that's the amateur game, but it appears to be little different in the professional world...
unbelievable that at this stage he cannot just say 'no comment'. SAF just says "I have nothing to say about that". But Dalglish has to go off on one trying to justify all this. He is either a complete fecking moron or the most smalltime, crass, odious prick in football. maybe both.
True enough. For all the self-congratulatory back-slapping of the Premier League and high profile organisations like it, they are still in the dark ages in many regards. Holding themselves up as an example of tolerance till this sorry mess reared it's ugly head. The practical impossibility of a gay player coming out, the taboo nature of dpression or other mental health issues amongst current players. House of cards, men.
Football is the highest profile sport on earth.
I cannot believe it is somehow out of step with other sport.
No. This is just a very small section that has not progressed. Dalglish I'm afraid is just a representative of that section. This proves he is not just out of touch as a manager.....
I should be glad this has happened to Liverpool. but this goes way beyond football rivalry.
I cannot believe it is somehow out of step with other sport.
No. This is just a very small section that has not progressed. Dalglish I'm afraid is just a representative of that section. This proves he is not just out of touch as a manager.....
I should be glad this has happened to Liverpool. but this goes way beyond football rivalry.
my girlfriend is black. she's american and kept herself informed as to whats happening in this case as she thought it was interesting. She is quite connected in baseball and knows a couple of players at the redsox. they are quite literally stunned that this has happened. cannot believe in this day and age it could happen. not necessarily the incident but the response.
her words to me when I did my best to explain the defence of Suarez on cultural grounds is that 'I know lots of south americans in sport. there is not a chance in hell a white south american would use the word negro in an argument with a black player and not suffer consequences'.
she watched the game and told me that in her lifetime she has seen and heard some repulsive things. But that never before has she seen what happened yesterday. the sanctioning of abuse of a player that was vindicated in a racist enquiry. that the booing she heard was acceptable and not condemned instantly from all corners. she just kept saying they have to stop the game. the united players need to walk off. I didnt know what to say. she was actually shaken by it for quite a while and it really brought home to me the seriousness of it all.
her words to me when I did my best to explain the defence of Suarez on cultural grounds is that 'I know lots of south americans in sport. there is not a chance in hell a white south american would use the word negro in an argument with a black player and not suffer consequences'.
she watched the game and told me that in her lifetime she has seen and heard some repulsive things. But that never before has she seen what happened yesterday. the sanctioning of abuse of a player that was vindicated in a racist enquiry. that the booing she heard was acceptable and not condemned instantly from all corners. she just kept saying they have to stop the game. the united players need to walk off. I didnt know what to say. she was actually shaken by it for quite a while and it really brought home to me the seriousness of it all.
Dalglish had better hope that he's been successful, come the season's end. The owners didn't want him, and the manager's handling of this affair would have left them aghast, no doubt.
All Dalglish had to say was something like: "The booing was regrettable, but spectators pay their money & have the right to express their opinions." Just a single word - 'regrettable' - would at least have shown some reflection; but no, Liverpool is a kingdom to itself, apparently, with no concern for the wider good of the league or nation they're nevertheless a part of.
I was amazed at Suarez turning up at the game and then celebrating like he did. Its so repulsive to see an individual and an organisation with no sense of responsibility or the wider picture. Its shocking really but then so is the acceptance of such behaviour from the wider footballing world.
it was gobsmacking
think he is done whatever happens.
the owners must be scratching their head what they got themselves into.
the owners must be scratching their head what they got themselves into.
BBC said:
Idiots
As gutted as I was about the result it honestly pales in comparison to the sickening feeling I'm left with experiencing the behaviour of large parts of the Liverpool support during the game.
Even though I've been disgusted by Dalglish's handling of the situation, and the official stance of the club, I honestly thought the 'Let's boo Evra!' contingent was limited to some silly internet warriors and tinfoilhatters from RAWK, and that the number of matchgoing supporters who'd contemplate it were too few to make an impact.
I've seen and heard some detestable shite during my years -- from our own too! -- but I've never been this disgusted.
I can't say I was bothered by the booing given to Evra (the racist gesture shown on TV is another matter though). They're our bitterest rivals. What were we expecting, applause every time Evra touched the ball? Shaken by it? How does she get through life then? (With all due respect)
I think it has more to do with why they were booing him rather than the booing itself.
Fair enough.
I can only speak for myself, but I find the idea of booing a player simply because he reported a case of racial abuse deeply disturbing. The whole trivialising of the issue of racism -- especially the assumption that Evra outright lied to get Suárez suspended, and thereby implicitly claiming that Evra would piss on the issue from a great height just to get a cheap one-up -- goes far beyond rivalry and tribalism.
I understand she was shaken, especially given that the commentators completely ignored the torrent of abuse. I watched the game on TV too, and the way they ignored the elephant in the room added to the surreal experience.
yes she was shaken by it. 40,000 people booing a black man at a sports event. guess she should just cop onto herself. I'll tell her ye said so. thanks for that.
The booing of Evra purely because he dared report racist abuse hasn't sat well with me but I assumed I was just being melodramatic because everyone else seems to be saying "it's not racist, it's just booing".
But, no, I'm still disappointed that it seems to have been tolerated and even encouraged in some camps and disregarded as banter.
To me, that wasn't banter. And ITV milked the issue for all it was worth with their camerawork.
And, to top it all, they release video footage of the monkey-man on their official website. No amount of retrospective apology can fix the damage their reputation has suffered.
But, no, I'm still disappointed that it seems to have been tolerated and even encouraged in some camps and disregarded as banter.
To me, that wasn't banter. And ITV milked the issue for all it was worth with their camerawork.
And, to top it all, they release video footage of the monkey-man on their official website. No amount of retrospective apology can fix the damage their reputation has suffered.
they werent booing they were sayin boo-urns..
My sincere apologies, my comments were a bit insensitive.
Anyone read the F365 mailbox today?? some of the arguments for condoning the booing are laughable at best...
Here are a few...
"Maybe (hopefully) the majority of people on Saturday were booing Evra just as they would any other Manyoo player - because he's quite good and has pitched up at Anfield playing for a team that isn't Liverpool. Nothing wrong with that, surely?"
"Two questions: 1) Can any of those fans or journalists getting on their high horse honestly put their hands on their hearts and say that, given a similar situation at their club, the same would not have happened 2) When was the last time that a Man United captain playing at Anfield didn't get booed?"
"Evra wasn't booed on Saturday because of his skin colouring. People must remember that he wasn't just the victim in this - he also caused the argument in the first place by referring to Suarez's sister as a 'c**t'. Hardly a nice thing. There were also discrepancies in his statement(s)."
"..All you people feeling sorry for Patrice Evra, think about this. You are standing at a bar and Paddy Evra walks up to you and says 'your sister's p*ssy'! Is booing him really the worst thing that would cross your minds? If your response is to called him a 'negro' you are a complete moron, yet if you didn't at least react in someway you are a better man than I am."
What a load of horse cock.
On another note, I did this for the movie posters thread in the generals... and as people in their enjoyed it, thought it might deserve a place in this mammoth thread.
Here are a few...
"Maybe (hopefully) the majority of people on Saturday were booing Evra just as they would any other Manyoo player - because he's quite good and has pitched up at Anfield playing for a team that isn't Liverpool. Nothing wrong with that, surely?"
"Two questions: 1) Can any of those fans or journalists getting on their high horse honestly put their hands on their hearts and say that, given a similar situation at their club, the same would not have happened 2) When was the last time that a Man United captain playing at Anfield didn't get booed?"
"Evra wasn't booed on Saturday because of his skin colouring. People must remember that he wasn't just the victim in this - he also caused the argument in the first place by referring to Suarez's sister as a 'c**t'. Hardly a nice thing. There were also discrepancies in his statement(s)."
"..All you people feeling sorry for Patrice Evra, think about this. You are standing at a bar and Paddy Evra walks up to you and says 'your sister's p*ssy'! Is booing him really the worst thing that would cross your minds? If your response is to called him a 'negro' you are a complete moron, yet if you didn't at least react in someway you are a better man than I am."
What a load of horse cock.
On another note, I did this for the movie posters thread in the generals... and as people in their enjoyed it, thought it might deserve a place in this mammoth thread.
no worries. FWIW I've seen her stand up for herself on plenty of occasions when things were said. she aint sensitive. this is different
Anyone read the F365 mailbox today?? some of the arguments for condoning the booing are laughable at best...
Here are a few...
"Maybe (hopefully) the majority of people on Saturday were booing Evra just as they would any other Manyoo player - because he's quite good and has pitched up at Anfield playing for a team that isn't Liverpool. Nothing wrong with that, surely?"
"Two questions: 1) Can any of those fans or journalists getting on their high horse honestly put their hands on their hearts and say that, given a similar situation at their club, the same would not have happened 2) When was the last time that a Man United captain playing at Anfield didn't get booed?"
"Evra wasn't booed on Saturday because of his skin colouring. People must remember that he wasn't just the victim in this - he also caused the argument in the first place by referring to Suarez's sister as a 'c**t'. Hardly a nice thing. There were also discrepancies in his statement(s)."
"..All you people feeling sorry for Patrice Evra, think about this. You are standing at a bar and Paddy Evra walks up to you and says 'your sister's p*ssy'! Is booing him really the worst thing that would cross your minds? If your response is to called him a 'negro' you are a complete moron, yet if you didn't at least react in someway you are a better man than I am."
What a load of horse cock.
On another note, I did this for the movie posters thread in the generals... and as people in their enjoyed it, thought it might deserve a place in this mammoth thread.
That kind of attempt to rationalise racist behaviour will make Nick Griffin really proud
They seem to be ignoring the fact that Suarez agreed what Evra said couldn't be directly translated to English and was akin to saying something like for feck's sake.
What really bugs me about all of this is that they are constantly reiterating that any supporter found guilty of a racially aggravated offence will receive a lifetime ban from Anfield. Why hasn't the same view been applied to Suarez. It baffles me.
Its because they fundamentally believe Evra is a liar. Its sad. They're never going to accept anything else.
The 'your sister's cnut' bit is irrelevant, Suarez doesn't have a sister and he accepted that it was just an exclamation like fecking hell.
Yeah, if that happened in an American game it would be really frightening, you have to place it in the context of the often violent and slanderous world of European football rivalry.
But shouldn't it be 'This magnificent Dirk Kuyt goal proves his innocence!' a la this great effort from RAWK --
And I think you said it perfectly when you said
Legend16 said:
It really is. It's totally unprecedented.
Indeed... but then they seem to be ignoring many facts. You'd have thought that Rafa would have taught them something in his time there...
Violent and slanderous?
Sometimes violent, always slanderous, never ever have we seen a club and the manager insinuating that a player fabricated racist slurs -- outright lied -- just to get at an opposition player.
We've heard a whole bleeding ground boo a player for reporting a racist incident. It is different.
To understand the booing of Evra you have to understand the mindset of the Liverpool fan. They already decided Suarez was innocent the moment Evra accused him. Once the report came out, all it proved in their eyes was what an evil lying bastard he was, and how successfully he had deceived the panel, regardless of the credibility of his claims. It also proved how corrupt the FA was, because in their heads the only immutable fact is that Suarez is innocent and honest, Evra is a deceiver and literally everything else that happens is interpreted to fit that narrative. They're not booing him for being racially abused, they're booing for playing the race card for the third time and inventing racial abuse to get their most highly rated player banned for 8 games, because as far as they're concerned, that's what happened.
The fact they have no objective grounds to believe Suarez is innocent, that Evra is probably the victim of racial abuse, that doesn't come into the morality of it, because their 'King', their players, their fellow fans, they're all saying with the utmost certainty that Suarez is innocent. If any fan sits on the side of decency, on the side of objectivity, they're a traitor, if any player dissents it's tantamount to a transfer request. I think if you turned the situation round and Ferguson was behaving in the frankly disgusting way that "King Kenny" has done, dividing it into us against them, our fans would be behaving in a similar way.
The fact they have no objective grounds to believe Suarez is innocent, that Evra is probably the victim of racial abuse, that doesn't come into the morality of it, because their 'King', their players, their fellow fans, they're all saying with the utmost certainty that Suarez is innocent. If any fan sits on the side of decency, on the side of objectivity, they're a traitor, if any player dissents it's tantamount to a transfer request. I think if you turned the situation round and Ferguson was behaving in the frankly disgusting way that "King Kenny" has done, dividing it into us against them, our fans would be behaving in a similar way.
you would have to be pretty stupid to buy all that. certainly the vast majority on here would not want a racist player on our books and Fergie would not be forgiven for supporting him.
Suarez acknowkledged he did make racist remarks to Evra. That is fact.
And I dont accept all Liverpool fans buy into all this garbage. They are not all racists. But there are significant minority that has used this to vent at a black player. simple.
This is what I take objection too. Firstly, it's not a comparable situation, as I can't ever forsee Fergie ever reacting in the same way KKK has, but if he did... I know for a fact I would condemn him, and if our club reacted in the same way as Liverpool, I would be disgusted by it.
I know it's "easy to say" from this side of the fence, but I really can't stress how strongly I feel about racism, and how Liverpool have dealt with this situation,