Paul Pogba

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Skywarden said:
It's not that simple though. For all we know, SAF could have had big plans for Pogba and Morrison and would not want to sign midfielders to allow those two a good phasing period.

Now, we end up with neither the youngsters nor the CM(s) we need to complete the squad.
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Fergie has been in it long enough not to pin his hopes too much on reserve team players, regardless of how much potential they might have. There is a LOT that can go wrong.
If a player forces his way into the first team, someone gets moved out. Dont think we make room in the squad or in future squads for players before they are ready.
 
This Riaiola chap's not doing to bad for himself eh? Rather sad to hear this. Was hoping to see a youngster come through and claim the midfield role for themselves.
 
gambit28 said:
Yes, but his agent gets a €2 million pay off.
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That is a truly mind-boggling figure. In fact, difficult to believe. I thought those guys operated on percentages?

(This is my first post since promotion. I realize it's unlikely to rock Redcafe to its foundations, but you gotta start somewhere. ) :)
 
Will Absolute said:
That is a truly mind-boggling figure. In fact, difficult to believe. I thought those guys operated on percentages?

(This is my first post since promotion. I realize it's unlikely to rock Redcafe to its foundations, but you gotta start somewhere. ) :)
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Could be a signing on fee. So the agent would be entitled to a certain percentage of player's income but he receives a sign on bonus fee as well. Not bad for a leeching cnut :mad:
 
One greedy fecking bastard of a specimen, I hope his career fails miserably the mercenary cnut. He and Ravel have truly tainted the class of 2011 cup winning side.

The day we sell our principles and dignity of this club, like City and Chelsea have, is the day we need to take a look at our club. It is frustrating to be held ransom by egotistical feckwits like Pogba - but let's put it into perspective, he is obviously not United material (temperament & mentality-wise) despite the undeniable talent there. He must respect the fabric and integrity of the club!

It is absolutely ludicrous for people to suggest we don't have the financial backing to offer them what they want because we can surely afford 50k or whatever it is being touted in the media. It is simply matter of being unwilling to pay a price for a player that isn't worth it.
 
fanutd said:
Could be a signing on fee. So the agent would be entitled to a certain percentage of player's income but he receives a sign on bonus fee as well. Not bad for a leeching cnut :mad:
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Thing is, if true, that offers a huge incentive to an agent to move his client on. Nothing to be done about it, I guess, but when you're dealing with young kids, it's ripe for abuse.
 
prateik said:
Fergie has been in it long enough not to pin his hopes too much on reserve team players, regardless of how much potential they might have. There is a LOT that can go wrong.
If a player forces his way into the first team, someone gets moved out. Dont think we make room in the squad or in future squads for players before they are ready.
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Fergie had openly said before that he had too quality players coming through, so I think that had got a bit to do with him refusing to sign midfielders.
 
Will Absolute said:
That is a truly mind-boggling figure. In fact, difficult to believe. I thought those guys operated on percentages?

(This is my first post since promotion. I realize it's unlikely to rock Redcafe to its foundations, but you gotta start somewhere. ) :)
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Being stuck in the newbies for 2.5 years...I feel for you bud.


As for Pogba, his loss. I hope we never deal with Raiola (or whatever his name is) again.
 
It'll be interesting to see how he develops. I have a bad feeling that he's going to be a monster of a player who will end up at a club like Madrid or City in 3 or 4 years time for a big fee.

Technically gifted and physically imposing he certainly has the raw materials for it.

What apparantly all came down to is that in order to give him what he wanted it seems we would have had to fast track him into the first team at the expense of who? Carrick? Cleverley? Scholes? Anderson?

There is just too much weighing on this season to play a youngster who is by no means a sure thing just yet. Let's not forget he hasn't even had a loan yet.

I'd like to be a big man and wish him all the best but I can't bring myself to do it if I am honest.
 
Shame. Not so much that we're losing a player, we've lost the likes of Cantona, Beckham, Ronaldo, Keane etc. etc. before now and done alright for ourselves without them, so I think we can survive losing a teenager (although he does look like he'll be a superb talent, don't think I'm pretending that I suddenly don't rate him). It's a shame that he and his agent have had their heads turned by money, and that they apparently find this more attractive than A) being more likely to win trophies at United, and B) being at a club with a proven track record of bringing in youth players at United.
 
Wonder what our plan is for midfield. If Fergie ever actually had one. Because it clearly wasn't Pogba. If it had been, we'd of seen more of him before this whole agent fiasco.

Over the past 3 seasons that we've clearly needed some boosting in central midfield we've lost 3 'next big things from the ressies': Eikrem (cracking season in Norway), Morrison and now Pogba. We've lost 3 first team players (Fletcher, Hargreaves and Gibson) and had 1 retire, then come back.

Even the reserves don't have enough central midfielders - they had to field defenders in there tonight (a full back after being released by THE ELITE DEVELOPMENT SQUAD across town).

Perhaps we were infor Sneijder, but I just can't see a 'Fergie' signing out there. All signs pointed towards Pogba being our big hope to fill the gap, if we let him go over what, £1m a year - then we're in big trouble imo.

(and I know all about the precedence it sets and so forth, but the fact remains that surely someone at the club has a plan...)
 
Pexbo said:
What it will all come down to is that in order to give him what he wanted it seems we would have had to fast track him into the first team at the expense of who? Carrick? Cleverley? Scholes? Anderson?

There is just too much weighing on this season to play a youngster who is by no means a sure thing just yet. Let's not forget he hasn't even had a loan yet.
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Agree with all of that except this part. Cleverley has played, what, 5 games in central midfield in his 1st team career? I know he's looked good, but he's hardly keeping Pogba out of the team.

And Anderson only plays about 15 games a season.

So it's not like there haven't been matches when Pogba could have and should have played.
 
68-99-08 said:
One greedy fecking bastard of a specimen, I hope his career fails miserably the mercenary cnut. He and Ravel have truly tainted the class of 2011 cup winning side.
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A player fighting to get the best deal for himself does not make him a mercenary. I'll let you in on a secret, every player fights to get the best deal possible.
 
Is actually officially or just a report?! Wouldn't get all hyped up yet.
 
Beachryan said:
Agree with all of that except this part. Cleverley has played, what, 5 games in central midfield in his 1st team career? I know he's looked good, but he's hardly keeping Pogba out of the team.

And Anderson only plays about 15 games a season.

So it's not like there haven't been matches when Pogba could have and should have played.
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I'm a bit confused, you think Cleverley isn't really that far ahead in the pecking order than Pogba was?

I'd have Cleverley down as an automatic starter when fit now, with the magnitude of his impact.

Mainoldo said:
Is actually officially or just a report?! Wouldn't get all hyped up yet.
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Telegraph are running the same report as The National, make of that what you will.
 
Who are we to say a move away for United won't be better for his career anyway? How are we to know. If he is being offered more game time and more money at Juve, then of course he will probably move. I doubt signing for Juve will end his career.
 
Beachryan said:
Agree with all of that except this part. Cleverley has played, what, 5 games in central midfield in his 1st team career? I know he's looked good, but he's hardly keeping Pogba out of the team.

And Anderson only plays about 15 games a season.

So it's not like there haven't been matches when Pogba could have and should have played.
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Fergie sees Pogba in training every day and he obviously wasn't ready for the first team this season. He wasn't exactly lighting up Reserves games in the first half of the season so I struggle to see why so many think he should have been involved more often.
 
Name Changed said:
A player fighting to get the best deal for himself does not make him a mercenary. I'll let you in on a secret, every player fights to get the best deal possible.
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Not entirely true. Most of them try to get the best deal possible at their current club. There's a difference.
 
Name Changed said:
Who are we to say a move away for United won't be better for his career anyway? How are we to know. If he is being offered more game time and more money at Juve, then of course he will probably move. I doubt signing for Juve will end his career.
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Personally I think this is what it boils down to.

The gamble from our perspective is how big a talent are we letting go?

Should we have shown him the same confidence as we did Rooney and Ronaldo at the same age or is he really just not there yet. I can only judge him by the ressies which he was too good for (which isn't saying a great deal in comparison with Championship and Premiership football let alone United's level) and a handful of First team appearances. One of which he didn't look great but partnered Park and Gibson IIRC which is hardly a fair yardstick.

Time will tell.
 
GCHQ said:
Fergie sees Pogba in training every day and he obviously wasn't ready for the first team this season. He wasn't exactly lighting up Reserves games in the first half of the season so I struggle to see why so many think he should have been involved more often.
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I disagree heavily with that. Pogba was a class above the Ressies all year. That's why he moved into training with the first team in the first place.

And I can comfortably say even on an off day his performances as a central midfield player for the reserves were never near the depths of Park's 'performances' there.

It just doesn't make any sense for Fergie not to give him minutes. Fergie himself is the one who has been talking him up all season. It has to be 'showing who is boss' over footballing matters, imo.
 
Cleverley and Anderson were both far more experienced and far more ready for first team football. Can't believe anyone would argue otherwise.

You're wrong about his performances for the reserves an' all. Only started looking the part over the last couple of months.
 
Just speculating, but I reckon the plan was to let him on loan for six months or so........I don't think that would have pleased him.
 
Pexbo said:
I'm a bit confused, you think Cleverley isn't really that far ahead in the pecking order than Pogba was?

I'd have Cleverley down as an automatic starter when fit now, with the magnitude of his impact.




Telegraph are running the same report as The National, make of that what you will.
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Is it not the same paper???!!!
 
Walrus said:
Being stuck in the newbies for 2.5 years...I feel for you bud.


As for Pogba, his loss. I hope we never deal with Raiola (or whatever his name is) again.
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:)

The newbs is not the 'heart of darkness'.

We did occasionally catch a glimpse of a better world, on bright June days, when the clouds briefly parted, and the golden sun cast a few friendly rays upon us. There was rejoicing, and sacrifices performed, and offerings made to the mods. And a gilded mud statue of Niall was raised, and garlanded with wild flowers, and we were happy.

And then the Dark Lord returned, and his name was moses, and there was wailing and gnashing of teeth.....

Ah, well.
 
Disappointing if true but it's basically what I expected. It seemed pretty clear that he and his agent are solely focused on money.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Seeya later Pog, don't let the door hit you on the way out, twat.
 
I know there's nothing concrete, but the lack of speculation that he could be staying is becoming damning. The media might make things up all the time, but occasionally the rumblings get too loud to ignore.

Disappointing, but if it means sticking to the club's principles then we have to be satisfied with that, even if it means losing another very promising player :(
 
After the youth cup final last year if you'd have told anyone that Pogba and Morrison would be gone within a year we'd have all laughed.

Massive kick in the balls. Morrison is still understandable but losing Pogba is gutting. By far two of the best prospects in the last few years.
 
I think its just a matter of time now im afraid... no smoke without fire and all that!.

Really dissapointed though, I had big hopes for pogba and he was my favourite reserve player, really thought he had a big future at the club.

Oh well what can you do? Its not a suprise fergie is buddying up to agents like mendes when you have got dickheads like raiola around.
 
Principles. It's all down to principles. Granted with morrison he was an out of control chav, but pogba is a World class midfield player who recently declared his desire to stay with us, the ability he has at 18 years of age is frightening. So we won't pay him what he wants, is it not value cos he is coming from our reserve team? The word is he wants 30k a week, I wonder how much we paid Jones at 19 years of age? Who knows. Frustration time cos pogba is a unique football player.
 
mattsville said:
Principles. It's all down to principles. Granted with morrison he was an out of control chav, but pogba is a World class midfield player who recently declared his desire to stay with us, the ability he has at 18 years of age is frightening. So we won't pay him what he wants, is it not value cos he is coming from our reserve team? The word is he wants 30k a week, I wonder how much we paid Jones at 19 years of age? Who knows. Frustration time cos pogba is a unique football player.
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Nah, he's not. He's just a kid with potential.
 
He's as gone as gone can be, Good ridance
Paul Pogba signs Juventus deal | Mail Online

Juventus have agreed a deal for Manchester United contract rebel Paul Pogba.
Sportsmail revealed last month that the Italians had outlined a four year contract for the 18-year-old that is expected to earn him a basic £20,000 a week.
His agent Mino Raiola, who represents Manchester City's Mario Balotelli, is also understood to have agreed a commission on the deal of around £1.7million.
The France U19 international was left out of United's reserve fixture with West Brom last night and has not figured in the recent Premier League games despite travelling with the squad.


Manager Sir Alex Ferguson has grown frustrated with the protracted negotiations and United will receive training compensation to be determined by FIFA.


Read more: Paul Pogba signs Juventus deal | Mail Online
 
mattsville said:
Principles. It's all down to principles. Granted with morrison he was an out of control chav, but pogba is a World class midfield player who recently declared his desire to stay with us, the ability he has at 18 years of age is frightening. So we won't pay him what he wants, is it not value cos he is coming from our reserve team? The word is he wants 30k a week, I wonder how much we paid Jones at 19 years of age? Who knows. Frustration time cos pogba is a unique football player.
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How many games has he played in the top flight?

He might have potential but he's miles away from being called a world class midfielder at this stage.

On the plus side the wanking mitts can be dusted off at the prospect of a midfield signing being the priority this summer.
 
God damnit. God fecking damnit. Both Pogba and Ravel gone this season. So gutted about how these things panned out.
 
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