Eden Hazard | "I am signing for Chelsea"

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It's not just about money. It's about money and trophies of significance. He will only get the money part in any arab deal. Most of these young foreign players are bandwagon jumpers imo. Given the choice between a team who look like they are about to start a period of dominance due to financial superiority, compared to one whose period of dominace is under threat from that same financial muscle. Then the choice is likely to be where the money is im afraid.

We saw exactly the same at Chelsea. They had no history, no previous for being winning titles, yet what they did have was plenty of money and the potential to buy the best players about. That was enough to convince the likes of Essien, Robben, Cech, Mikel etc to choose Chelsea ahead of us. It has since enabled them to attract other big stars such as Torres and Mata, despite a fairly barren period.

Success may not be guaranteed at Chelsea, City or Utd, but huge wages are guaranteed more at their clubs than at ours.

Having money is one and the potential to buy anyone another, the club has to be competitive (at the very least play in the CL) as well in order to attract the very best available.The best example being Malaga and PSG, they didn't manage to get all the fancy names they were involved with last summer (specially PSG).
All in all, we agree that money isn't the only deciding factor (although it plays an important role) for a player to join City, even if say Man United are interested in him.
 
How can another team be a lot better when we are on the same points?

You highlight the quote where I state that we have been blighted by injuries yet ignore it completely.

The games against City where thus..

Played with 10 men but didnt try to stop the rot. Tactical error. Hammered.

Played for a draw and left out our best winger. Tactical error. Narrow loss.


This has absolutely nothing to do with how good city are and I will defend my statement to the full that we have been unlucky this season not to have walked the title due to injuries. FFS we lost on a set piece at the Etihad without our best defense, If we had stayed 0-0 we would all be creaming ourselves at how incredible United are against the financial muscle of the Sheike.

That's the nature of the beast im afraid. Had we won it we would be saying how great we were, but we have threw it away however you look at it. You can talk about our injuries, but they did not prevent us from having a 5 point lead with 4 games to go.

You make some good points, but it is also fairly easy to look at where we could have done better this season. We left ourself woefully short in midfield this season, and had Scholes not come back, City would have been out of sight by Easter. Unfortunately with only one DM and one 38yr old midfielder of any real quality, having to play them in every game has taken it's toll when it mattered most.

We blew this title after being unable to hang on to a 2 goal lead twice against Everton at OT. That is the disappointment for me, having it in the bag and letting it slip. We are still a good team but we simply have not been good enough, Europe tells us more about where we struggled, than the PL does this season imo.
 
Not sure you ever saw him play

Hazard is the type of game-changer that regularly came from the French Ligue 1 to bless the PL with their talent. He's a notch above the Drogba who moved to Chelsea

With due respect I'll believe that when I see it. I only have to look at the game changers that joined United to see that the odds are stacked against him. Until he proves himself. Anyways I don't buy your argument that City are a shoe in with him in the team. Sorry.
 
That's the nature of the beast im afraid. Had we won it we would be saying how great we were, but we have threw it away however you look at it. You can talk about our injuries, but they did not prevent us from having a 5 point lead with 4 games to go.

You make some good points, but it is also fairly easy to look at where we could have done better this season. We left ourself woefully short in midfield this season, and had Scholes not come back, City would have been out of sight by Easter. Unfortunately with only one DM and one 38yr old midfielder of any real quality, having to play them in every game has taken it's toll when it mattered most.

We blew this title after being unable to hang on to a 2 goal lead twice against Everton at OT. That is the disappointment for me, having it in the bag and letting it slip. We are still a good team but we simply have not been good enough, Europe tells us more about where we struggled, than the PL does this season imo.

Dude you make a valid point but ignore our problem again. We have lost our first eleven for the season. We have had more injuries than any of our competitors and it is this that has defined our season. Yet, we could still win it. Oh my.
 
2Bullish, injuries are never an excuse, unless the club is Chelsea and they lose out on the title to a rejuvenated United (circa 2006-07 I believe it was the press made all the noise about United winning only due to Chelsea injuries).
 
2Bullish, injuries are never an excuse, unless the club is Chelsea and they lose out on the title to a rejuvenated United (circa 2006-07 I believe it was the press made all the noise about United winning only due to Chelsea injuries).

I'm sorry cant agree with that statement. If you don't have your starting 11 on the pitch for the majority of the season and then lose on goal difference then I'll be damned if you can't use that as an excuse. We have one of the worst records in the Prem for injuries and if you do not think that has any influence then , with respect, I cannot argue with you.
 
2Bullish, injuries are never an excuse, unless the club is Chelsea and they lose out on the title to a rejuvenated United (circa 2006-07 I believe it was the press made all the noise about United winning only due to Chelsea injuries).

It's not an excuse though, just context.
 
Dude you make a valid point but ignore our problem again. We have lost our first eleven for the season. We have had more injuries than any of our competitors and it is this that has defined our season. Yet, we could still win it. Oh my.

No i didn't ignore it, but for me it was all too predictable. Vidic was the big miss and the only one that can really be seen as unlucky. Anderson is injured every year, Cleverley is also fairly injury prone and there were huge doubts over Fletcher's fitness. We lost Scholes, Hargo and O'Shea yet signed no-one. It is midfield that has cost us really, especially in Europe. Evans has been in great form this year which has helped us cope fairly well without Vidic.

For me it is the lack of protection in front of them, due to having only one DM midfield option for us this season. In a way we have been lucky in that respect that nothing happened to Carrick, or we really would have been fecked for any other viable DM option.
 
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I'm sorry cant agree with that statement. If you don't have your starting 11 on the pitch for the majority of the season and then lose on goal difference then I'll be damned if you can't use that as an excuse. We have one of the worst records in the Prem for injuries and if you do not think that has any influence then , with respect, I cannot argue with you.

It's an excuse because we are not a team who has a specific first team as you put it. We swap and change our team about very regularly, much more than City do.

It is a benefit at times, but also a weakness. The best eleven we can manage still has to be good enough and ours isn't. FFS we have needed a 38 yr old to come out of retirement before we can go on our best run of the season. What does that tell you about the rest of our midfield? I know what it tells me. We lack quality in that area and have done for some time. We all thought it should have been addressed last summer and it wasn't, and imo we have paid a heavy price for the lack of options in that area throughout the season.
 
Man City would NOT be joint top if they were without Kompany for the season. Factual. Injury record aside, Vidic is a miss that cannot be ignored.
 
No i didn't ignore it, but for me it was all too predictable. Vidic was the big miss and the only one that can really be seen as unlucky. Anderson is injured every year, Cleverley is also fairly injury prone and there were huge doubts over Fletcher's fitness. We lost Scholes, Hargo and O'Shea yet signed no-one. It is midfield that has cost us really, especially in Europe. Evans has been in great form this year which has helped us cope fairly well without Vidic.

For me it is the lack of protection in front of them, due to having only one DM midfield option for us this season. In a way we have been lucky in that respect that nothing happened to Carrick, or we really would have been fecked for any other viable DM option.

Predict? Give me a break, we lost both our DM's in Fletcher and Anderson.

How could we have predicted losing Anderson, Cleverley and Fletcher when they are the whole of our senior CM's. Then we lost Pogba as backup?

I couldn't give two shites about hazard, I'd be more interested in Kagawi. We have been unlucky this year with injuries across the board and it may/may not have cost us the title. Nothing more than that. We don't stop moving no matter how many threads it produces on this site.

Make no mistake we will always be their and their abouts. It is the nature of our club and the demands of the fans/owners that we succeed.
 
Man City would NOT be joint top if they were without Kompany for the season. Factual. Injury record aside, Vidic is a miss that cannot be ignored.


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And our lack of a first back line, missing our midfield options, missing our wingers. Worst injury record in the Prem has cost us. The City are the bollox brigade make me want to throw up.
 
How do you know this, have we not spent millions in the transfer market buying young players with potential? The Kagawa thread has forumites arguing whether United should spend 7 mill on him, yet we spent 17 million on Jones. Using your argument then the Glazers (who don't give a feck about United) would be so inept as to underfund their investment so they lose money. Get a grip son, there empire as you call it, is Manchester United.

Why is every cnut on here spacegoating Jones? I cant stand shit like this its the absolute worst of a supporter to do this shit. The lad has obvious talent and potential and is only fecking 19. Everybody who singles out a 19yo as a bad acquisition after one season should be shot and burned imo. :mad: wankers!
 
Why is every cnut on here spacegoating Jones? I cant stand shit like this its the absolute worst of a supporter to do this shit. The lad has obvious talent and potential and is only fecking 19. Everybody who singles out a 19yo as a bad acquisition after one season should be shot and burned imo. :mad: wankers!

I don't think anyone is doubting his potential, my question is if we can spend £16m on potential and around £20m on Young, then surely we can go the extra mile on putting some money towards a Hazard etc.
 
I don't get why people want us to spent 30m+ on Hazard when we can get Kagawa for 7m? (well, according to the press and all that)

If we were to spend 30m+ on a player then it shouldn't be on a player in that sort of position anyway.
 
I don't think anyone is doubting his potential, my question is if we can spend £16m on potential and around £20m on Young, then surely we can go the extra mile on putting some money towards a Hazard etc.

It depends exactly on how much a Hazard costs. Aside from that, you can bet that Young and Jones' wages won't be half as much as what Hazard is potentially asking for.
 
Why is every cnut on here spacegoating Jones? I cant stand shit like this its the absolute worst of a supporter to do this shit. The lad has obvious talent and potential and is only fecking 19. Everybody who singles out a 19yo as a bad acquisition after one season should be shot and burned imo. :mad: wankers!

STFU I was outlining the fact that we spend on youth, don't bring up my posts to further your own agenda.
 
Predict? Give me a break, we lost both our DM's in Fletcher and Anderson.

Fletcher was entirely predictable and Anderson is injured every single year without exception and by the way is not a DM.

How could we have predicted losing Anderson, Cleverley and Fletcher when they are the whole of our senior CM's. Then we lost Pogba as backup?

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I couldn't give two shites about hazard, I'd be more interested in Kagawi. We have been unlucky this year with injuries across the board and it may/may not have cost us the title. Nothing more than that. We don't stop moving no matter how many threads it produces on this site.

What the feck are you about? We don't stop moving? We have stopped moving in regards of improving a midfield that required a 38 yr old to almost save our season. You sound like some bad motivational speaker with all your uplifting bullshit.

Listen we allknow there are plenty of positives, but it is widely accepted we have areas that need improvement. Imo we have suffered this year from not improving quickly enough. If you don't agree then fine. Each to their own.
 
Bullish is talking a lot of sense in this thread here. Hazard may or may not come, but some are cynically writing off the lure of playing for Manchester United.
 
If we can get Kagawa for 7m then I've no idea why we would even bother to go for Hazard anyway.
 
If we can get Kagawa for 7m then I've no idea why we would even bother to go for Hazard anyway.

We heard you the first time. People in Dortmund are saying there is no way we are going to get him as low as £7 mill. So they figure may as well rise to around £13-15 mill.
 
Why is every cnut on here spacegoating Jones? I cant stand shit like this its the absolute worst of a supporter to do this shit. The lad has obvious talent and potential and is only fecking 19. Everybody who singles out a 19yo as a bad acquisition after one season should be shot and burned imo. :mad: wankers!

Calm down please.
 
If we can get Kagawa for 7m then I've no idea why we would even bother to go for Hazard anyway.

If we get both then it would be precisely because we got Kagawa on the cheap.
 
Bullish is talking a lot of sense in this thread here. Hazard may or may not come, but some are cynically writing off the lure of playing for Manchester United.

It's not cynically writing off anyone. It is pointing out the likelihood of players choosing City over us based on money. It happened with Chelsea, despite many of the same arguments being used in favour of Utd.
 
It's not cynically writing off anyone. It is pointing out the likelihood of players choosing City over us based on money. It happened with Chelsea, despite many of the same arguments being used in favour of Utd.

Fair enough, but its not a foregone conclusion. He may yet choose City because of money, the fact that Kompany plays there, or because they are likely going to win the league, or may he may choose United because of Fergie, our history, and the fact that he's likely to win a lot here as well.
 
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