Ok Spoony.
Sunderland vs. Manchester United
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Ok Spoony.
Yeah but regardless of them restricting how we spend and the debt issues etc, of the money we have been investing that's presumably been spent how Fergie wanted it to and he's chosen to neglect certain areas. I.e. going in to this season, with Fletcher's illness it probably would have been wise to sign another midfielder yet he chose not to spend in that area and bought in Young, who's done well but wasn't essential and Jones again a top player for the future nut not necessarily needed. He let O'shea go, despite knowing he was taking a gamble on Fletcher and knew we were loosing a lot of experience in the back.
He chose to spend however much on the likes of Diouf, Manucho, Tosic, Bebe, Obertan. Together that's like 20 mil. Everyone knows that without the debt we would have much more money to spend, but fergie would still have to want to spend it, in the areas needed and he seems to have a specific idea of what he wants there judging by his recent comments.
Managers will always make mistakes, even legends like SAF. That's the difference between mid level and big clubs. The latter have enough money to act as resiliance for any mistakes done.
I thought of that, but I pretty much crapped myself out during todays match.
Ok but still the point is that he still has to want to spend it, it's not about flop signings but that the players he signed played in areas that weren't as urgent as midfield. Doesn't look like he was interested in buying a defensively strong midfielder in the summer, which would have made a big difference this year, didn't see the need for one in jan, which again would have helped, and from his recent comments he's still looking for a more attacking midfielder. Now whether the Glazers are holding him back from buying that player is one thing, but he doesn't seem to think we need another defensively strong player there, which most of us think we do.
yep staying off here while the vultures decide who to extract their pound of flesh from is a very good suggestion. Im out of here for a few days!
This.
If we want to be mad...be mad at our lads who gave the title away at home to Everton.
...right...on to transfer muppetry, Euro 2012, the Olympics and next season
...right...on to transfer muppetry, Euro 2012, the Olympics and next season
Some MU fans in a bad mood taking it out on Newcastle central station on the way back home after the game.
dumb
By the way, just want to point something out.
The line-ups discussion was full of people saying "OMG, Giggs and Scholes, we're going to get creamed", "no Nani, no Rafael, doooooooom!"
Turns out Giggs and Scholes both played extremely well, Valencia and Young were a constant threat, Jones played a stormer and set up our only goal with a peach of a cross.
If we'd lost, Fergie would be getting crucified by hordes of backseat managers, wise after the event. Instead we play well, get the win and the selection never gets mentioned again because we won. Which happens in the vast vast majority of our games. This management lark is so much easier with hindsight, isn't it?
The line-ups discussion was full of people saying "OMG, Giggs and Scholes, we're going to get creamed", "no Nani, no Rafael, doooooooom!"
Turns out Giggs and Scholes both played extremely well, Valencia and Young were a constant threat, Jones played a stormer and set up our only goal with a peach of a cross.
If we'd lost, Fergie would be getting crucified by hordes of backseat managers, wise after the event. Instead we play well, get the win and the selection never gets mentioned again because we won. Which happens in the vast vast majority of our games. This management lark is so much easier with hindsight, isn't it?
Nani should've played ahead of Young, who wasn't that good. No brainer for me.
Nah, Young played well. A continuation of the good form in his last run-out. A hell of a lot better than Nani did the last time he started, that's for sure. Even a hardcore Nani fan like yourself can see that, surely?
Nani was shit against City, but who wasn't? He was given a pretty impossible task against that lineup. Rooney was rubbish too but SAF didn't drop him did he? He was also our best player in the match before that. I thought it was ridiculous of SAF to drop him because of that match. I heard earlier that SAF gave Nani a lot of stick after the City game, probably bollocks, but if true I think it's incredibly harsh.
it's pretty widely accepted that Nani is our next best attacker after Rooney (though some can quite fairly dispute that Valencia is as good as him, I wouldn't agree of course), and a much better player than Young. I'd play Nani ahead of him every time.
it's pretty widely accepted that Nani is our next best attacker after Rooney (though some can quite fairly dispute that Valencia is as good as him, I wouldn't agree of course), and a much better player than Young. I'd play Nani ahead of him every time.
That's just nuts. The team should always be picked on form. Young was the form player and deserved his start.
You can make an argument that Rooney is an exception to the rule about form but only because there's nobody else in the team who can replace him. Young, by contrast, has shown himself quite capable of providing what Nani is supposed to deliver but doesn't when he's not playing well. Which is exactly what he did in our last two games. A constant threat from out wide, putting decent crosses into the box, looking to score goals and keeping his fullback on the back foot. He deserved his start and vindicated Fergie's decision to select him.
Nani had one bad game against City, like the rest of our team. He was very good before that. You've said he hasn't had a good season but he's still our 3rd highest goal scorer and has a fair few assists despite constant injuries. Doesn't sound like a bad season to me.
It's not nuts, play your best players, you think Young is in any way as good as Nani is?
It's not nuts, play your best players, you think Young is in any way as good as Nani is?
I don't think player has a God-given right to start any game, no matter how good they are at their best. Nani's put in performances for United that are better than any I've seen from Young but recently this hasn't been the case, so Fergie was bang on in selecting the player more likely to perform on the day. As I said, even with hindsight, he got his team selection right.
Nani had ONE bad game against City, you think that's enough to justify him being dropped? Let's not forget that Fergie got the tactics completely wrong in it and him and Rooney were constantly left isolated and doubled, sometimes tripled up by the City players when they had the ball, which wasn't very often. There's only so much a player can do. Valencia and Young weren't exactly great when they came on either, were they?
I don't see how it hasn't been the case recently, did you not see the game against Everton or something? He played as well as I've ever seen him in a Utd shirt.
I'm not trying to slate Young, he's a good player, but I'd never have him ahead of a fully fit Nani, or Valencia for that matter.
I don't see how it hasn't been the case recently, did you not see the game against Everton or something? He played as well as I've ever seen him in a Utd shirt.
I'm not trying to slate Young, he's a good player, but I'd never have him ahead of a fully fit Nani, or Valencia for that matter.
To be fair we played against a team the majority of whom were already on a beach in Barbados mentally and there was still a 15 minute period during the game when we looked edgy.
I could play 5-finger fillet using my penis instead of my index finger and successfully complete it for 90 minutes, it wouldn't make it the correct decision or somehow justified in hindsight. Playing Giggs and Scholes together is a massive gamble against any team that turns up, yesterday doesn't change that. If we'd have lost Fergie would deserve to be annihilated.
In terms of Nani: he should start every game he is fully fit to play irrespective. He is as important to our team as Silva is to City, replacing Silva with Nasri is like replacing Nani with Young.
That's not true, now is it?
christ on a bike...I agree.
And there's far too many Nani fanbois at the Caf. I personally find it infuriating at times watching him.
He's either a world beater or looks like a Championship winger. We just never know what Nani is going to turn up.
When else has he played badly since his return?
You must know he's only started two games "since his return", so I can only assume you're being disingenuous.
Taking the season as a whole, though, he's been (oh yes) inconsistent. A great performance followed by a poor one is in keeping with what we've seen so far. I've no idea which Nani would turn up against Sunderland and presumably this wasn't a risk fergie was willing to take either. Not when Young had been arguably our best player against Swansea.
Right but, he still had a great 30 minutes and one of his best games of the season then against Everton. I've already pointed out the flaws in saying he was shit against City.
Yes he's been inconsistent but he's had constant injuries, what do you expect. You know Amar made a great post about Valencia's performances this season in the Nani thread which you've still failed to respond to, and you think he's been one of our best players this season. Over the whole season he hasn't been that much better than Nani, and Young certainly hasn't.
People in the matchday thread were actually saying Nani has had a shit season, ridiculous to say that. You're as much of a hardcore Valencia fanboy as I am of Nani and the way you've been talking suggests there's been a massive gap between them this season, shock horror.
Yes he's been inconsistent but he's had constant injuries, what do you expect. You know Amar made a great post about Valencia's performances this season in the Nani thread which you've still failed to respond to, and you think he's been one of our best players this season. Over the whole season he hasn't been that much better than Nani, and Young certainly hasn't.
People in the matchday thread were actually saying Nani has had a shit season, ridiculous to say that. You're as much of a hardcore Valencia fanboy as I am of Nani and the way you've been talking suggests there's been a massive gap between them this season, shock horror.
I ignored it because it was a wall of text which basically agreed with what I'd been saying. Valencia's form suffered when he was in and out of the team, often playing fullback but since then he's been one of our most consistent performers. This is in contrast to Nani who's only ever been asked to play on the wing and has been one of our more inconsistent players, all season long. The fact he's also one of our best players - when he's at his very best - doesn't hide this fact and certainly doesn't negate Fergie's decision to go with our most in form winger of the last couple of weeks ahead of him.
We were pretty good yesterday, Young was one of our better players then as per usual we went into our shells in the 2nd half after really stretching Sunderland and struggled. Nani came on and help calm us down funnily enough. If we played like we did in the First Half for the rest of the run in there'd have been no issues. SAF also needs to stop leaving the likes of Giggs and Scholes on the pitch for so long, I can handle one on the pitch for the 90 but both always worries me.
It really didn't. Valencia had quite a few poor games on the wing too. Like you said, because he was in and out of the team. But haven't Nani's poor games largely been attributed to the same fact, being out of the team and having injuries? What's the difference here?
For what it's worth, Valencia hasn't been that good for the last month, I'd say he had 2, maybe 3 very good months this season, very little before Xmas, so to say he's had a much better season than Nani is a bit strange. He just had one single, consistent period, largely because he wasn't injured and was playing every game.
For what it's worth, Valencia hasn't been that good for the last month, I'd say he had 2, maybe 3 very good months this season, very little before Xmas, so to say he's had a much better season than Nani is a bit strange. He just had one single, consistent period, largely because he wasn't injured and was playing every game.
To be honest, we're not going to agree and I'm only responding to this in case you bring it up again as you did my failure to respond to Amar's post. IMO Valencia has been a lot more consistent than Nani this season. Young probably hasn't. In fact he's probably had the longest run of consistently poor form of any of our wingers. He has, however, been the form winger of the last couple of weeks so deserved his start. If you don't see things the same way, fine. Each to his own.
I don't. I think Valencia's 'consistency' is a slight myth because he had a really good 3 months in a row, the rest of the time he wasn't that good and overall if you compare his and Nani's performances over the course of the season there's not a large difference. I also don't think Young ever deserves to start over Nani unless Nani has been shit for a few games on the trot, not just one game where he was isolated and the entire team was really poor. But yes, each to his own.