So who is going to partner Terry? Lescott?
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Actually, maybe terry's had two shockers, the other being arsenal at home.
Didn't see whole game so not sure if he was bad all game or just a couple of goals.
Didn't see whole game so not sure if he was bad all game or just a couple of goals.
Lescott's had good season but I suspect that if cahill's fit it will be him...whole club thing etc.
Also think Terry and lescott both left-sided defenders
Lescott is an infinitely better defender then Cahill... (which admitidly isn't saying much). The club thing should have little baring I imagine, especially as Cahill + Terry has hardly looked convincing at times this season.
Terry is not and has never been a "brilliant defender". He is a good player who has constantly been carried by supperior players at club and international level. The only reason the blinkered english press love him so much is his desperate last ditch tackles, which far from being a sign of his fight and desire are a sign of his woeful self discipline and positioning.
Just look at the Germany game in the last world cup, the way he is pulled out of position for I think the first german goal is typical of him and something that happens regularly, hardly the mark of a "brilliant defender".
I agree with you re positioning thing,that's why I think rio is best this country has produced in my lifetime.
However that's terry's style, he mastered it and stopped goals and strikers playing like that so can't say much more than that.
IMO opinion Terry was one of the best defenders in Europe under mourinho and nothing anyone says will make me believe otherwise.
He's not what he was but still one of the best in the country, again IMO.
Can look at Germany, yes, but can look over any players career and pick out games where theyve made mistakes.
However that's terry's style, he mastered it and stopped goals and strikers playing like that so can't say much more than that.
IMO opinion Terry was one of the best defenders in Europe under mourinho and nothing anyone says will make me believe otherwise.
He's not what he was but still one of the best in the country, again IMO.
Can look at Germany, yes, but can look over any players career and pick out games where theyve made mistakes.
I can't stand Oliver Holt, and wish death on him daily...but
But that doesn't sound like he made the decision, rather it was made for him.
A preposterous decision if its true. Can you name a better replacement to step in in case one of the first choice centre halves gets injured?
I think it's a lot less juicy than that - there has obviously been a "discussion". Whether as pointedly or not but Fergie would've let Rio know he has a choice......he can nurse his injury with United and lengthen his career like Giggs or he can shorten it. You know it makes sense.
He was at fault or partially at fault for 3 out of 4 goals.
Him and Upson left gaps between them which got exploited and one of them, he'd decided to go right up the pitch and got caught out of position (think it may have been the 3rd)
Another tournament with Gerrard, Lampard and Terry et al playing like shit - feels like we've had about 1000 of them now
But judging by Holt's tweet - the decision was made to exclude him, as in it wasn't Ferdinand's decision.
Can only think it is linked to the Terry issue.
It will be interesting to hear the reaction from Rio himself (if it hasn't happened already) since that will reveal what sort of discussions took place.
Stil....a fresh Rio and Vidic ready for next season is a rather tasty prospect :-)
Stil....a fresh Rio and Vidic ready for next season is a rather tasty prospect :-)
Holt's job is to make news - most of like minded Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime are peddling similar. Makes a more interesting story for those gullible enough. I'd rather take my cue from Fergie's comments from over a week ago. Just boring reality and a realization between Rio, Woy and of course, Fergie.
Didnt Joachim Lowe or one of the German players even come out and say it was part of their game plan to make him do that as he does it so readily?
They haven't though. Cahill started shaky and got better and better. Poor/average is on overreaction - once again.
Spot on
Surely though Rio deserves a place in the squad at the very least as back-up? To completely leave him out of the squad is a strange decision.
The England is cursed, it's like whoever gets cannot prevent himself from making stupidly weird selection choices
this might've been where I picked it up from -
http://www.sportinglife.com/footbal...5/12/manual_085114.html&TEAMHD=soccer&BID=165
a bit more feasible than Big Man vs Rio
http://www.sportinglife.com/footbal...5/12/manual_085114.html&TEAMHD=soccer&BID=165
a bit more feasible than Big Man vs Rio
Exactly.
I can see why there would be doubts over Rio's fitness, but if it's only about that I'd still take him at least as backup. If one of the starting players is out for a game, what better option does England have? But add the Terry issue into it, and it's the comfortable decision.
If Rio and terry would cause the England camp to split then it's a good decision. It's not just about selecting your best players. better teams like Holland have been riven with internal squabbles.
To be fair, that's as much Capello's fault as anyone's. He either had to forbid him to do that or he shouldn't have played a half-assed 4-4-2 with Gareth Barry as the holding midfielder...
Terry got drawn out of position because there was no one to close down Özil, at all.
Because he cannot play extended amount of games. The medical staff and SAF have already said it. What do you want, Rio back in the squad for next season or him out for the most of it.
Rio cannot play a full season as it is, without the break in the summer, he WILL NOT play as many games this coming season for us.
It's a shoe in for UTD to not see him go and and frankly the only reason he would go is to force the issue over money and image rights, this is absurd as he can make as much playing another season (being the amount of games we can squeeze out of him based on fitness) than he could make at the Euros.
No way should he go. He is too tired already.
From his Twitter.
Poor guy.
Retirement on the cards?
The answer to that was to leave Terry behind.
I'm sure he would have if Rio was as fit as Terry.
Just saw this on facebook
Interesting that he used past tense
Just saw this on facebook
Fake. Can people stop posting that? Next thing we know we'll see it splashed across the papers tomorrow.
Oh, if it's about United, I want all our players getting a good summer's rest. But if I go to this discussion thinking like that, there's nothing left to discuss.
It's a shame that Rio's body has betrayed him like that. He'd be a shoe in to continue at a very high level of football - and certainly international football - until a very late age had it not been for those injuries, especially his back. I still remember when we picked him up from Leeds after that saga for 29m and people said it was a great price for a player who'd be a cornerstone for a decade. Well, it's been 10 years now. He's part of the furniture.
Well yeah. What chance does he have of ever being picked again? Roy has seen fit to exclude him from the squad for 'football reasons' so it doesn't look good for him as long as Roy's in charge.
Poor guy but its good for us either way. And "footballing reasons"? feck off with that shit, why is Downing and Carroll in there then?
Well, Hodgson is supposed to be the manager for the next four years. Even if Rio isn't planning to announce international football, he surely realises he's not likely to be picked again.
I was thinkin more of whether he's decided himself now to retire from England.
Don't see why he's not in their as back up unless they're also worried about the fitness of other defenders like terry and don't want to leave themselves short.
He's favorited this from United Rant's twitter:
I've always been a fan of Rio and was one of the few here to welcome him wholeheartedly to United. 'Gutted' sums it up - he should have been in the squad.
I support Roy's appointment and I don't think he has a hidden agenda here but he's made a mistake. Rio along with Terry has the necessary experience to guide the youngsters through Euro 2012. He is not 'finished' - despite quotes from Sir Alex used by the media, Rio's playing time at United over the last two title winning seasons says it all.
While I think Terry is a nasty piece of work as a person and should not have gone to Euro 2012 while awaiting a court hearing, he and Rio both provide the necessary experience and toughness. Both should have been selected if Terry was selected. Rio is a professional and would have got on with the job. You don't have to get along off the pitch to perform together well on it.
Rio - if you're reading this, many of are gutted too. You have been a great role model for the bi-racial/multi-racial youth of the UK and you're a winner on the pitch. More respect should have been shown to you. So sorry about that rotten decision, most of us are on your side.
I support Roy's appointment and I don't think he has a hidden agenda here but he's made a mistake. Rio along with Terry has the necessary experience to guide the youngsters through Euro 2012. He is not 'finished' - despite quotes from Sir Alex used by the media, Rio's playing time at United over the last two title winning seasons says it all.
While I think Terry is a nasty piece of work as a person and should not have gone to Euro 2012 while awaiting a court hearing
, he and Rio both provide the necessary experience and toughness. Both should have been selected if Terry was selected. Rio is a professional and would have got on with the job. You don't have to get along off the pitch to perform together well on it.Rio - if you're reading this, many of are gutted too. You have been a great role model for the bi-racial/multi-racial youth of the UK and you're a winner on the pitch. More respect should have been shown to you. So sorry about that rotten decision, most of us are on your side.
I'm not surprised Rio wasn't picked. Once Roy had decided to bring Terry, it was a done deal. I can only guess that the injury worries would be the main reason.
I don't get this "footballing reasons" excuse though. Rio is clearly still one of the top 4 English centre backs.
I don't get this "footballing reasons" excuse though. Rio is clearly still one of the top 4 English centre backs.