Not what we need, a goal scoring central attacking midfielder. He is the type of player we need right now in my opinion. As many people have pointed out Kagawa was clearly a target if we get Hazard or not.
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Not what we need, a goal scoring central attacking midfielder. He is the type of player we need right now in my opinion. As many people have pointed out Kagawa was clearly a target if we get Hazard or not.
No, I don't think a goal-scoring attacking midfielder is what we need. We weren't short of goals last season, it was our inability to control the midfield which cost us in the big matches and against weaker opposition alike. We need a central midfielder, not another small technical player who can get bullied off the ball. We score plenty already.
Now, if we sign Kagawa I'll be pleased, of course, but I really hope we're not focusing on him when they are quite clearly more pressing concerns with this squad.
Now, if we sign Kagawa I'll be pleased, of course, but I really hope we're not focusing on him when they are quite clearly more pressing concerns with this squad.
Didn't modric start off as a Kagawa kind of player? Maybe Fergie has plans
It will be interesting to see how he fits them both in the team
I actually disagree. We are a predictable side, decent teams knows our real danger comes from the wingers. Stop our wingers and you stop United. Having a creative attacking CM will cut that tactic out as we can play the short, sharp, technical passes into Rooney from the middle.
What we lack is a magician in the center of the park. I do agree that we also lack a defensive midfielder. A decent destroyer to add extra protection and provide a solid base in CM alongside Carrick.
We've lacked a goal double digit scoring AM for years.
So, if we play Kagawa plus with new "destroyer" alongside Carrick, then who misses out? Welbeck? I don't think SAF would take our brightest youth prospect in ten years and shunt him out of the team to make room for an unproven foreign import.
No, what we need (in my opinion, of course) is a central midfielder to partner Carrick. That's all. Rooney and Welbeck up front are fine, and their partnership improves every time they play together. It would be madness to break that up for some perceived extra threat through the middle.
No, what we need (in my opinion, of course) is a central midfielder to partner Carrick. That's all. Rooney and Welbeck up front are fine, and their partnership improves every time they play together. It would be madness to break that up for some perceived extra threat through the middle.
Always thought he'd be more suited to our team, he doesn't really have the muppet x factor though, and that's what's important.
I've still not seen a compelling argument as to why we can't play Kagawa alongside Carrick much of the time. If Cleverley and Giggs are trusted to play there, why not Shinji?
We need to stop being obsessed with 4-4-2. Welbeck's a great prospect but as of right now he's just not that good to be an automatic, unquestionable first choice striker. He scored 9 league goals in 31 league games, playing mostly as the number nine; Kagawa scored 13 for Dortmund while also racking up 11 assists.
We need more creativity and better passing through the middle because we ARE predictable sometimes. Having more than one game plan is actually a very good way to control games because you can keep the opposition on the back foot. If the opponents know that all they have to do is take the wingers out of the game (or press the two central midfielders hard) then we'll be on the back foot.
But yes, of course, we also need a partner for Carrick. But signing Kagawa to play in the attacking midfield role would make perfect sense. Welbeck will have his chances and in a more fluid formation he can be a brilliant wide attacker.
We need more creativity and better passing through the middle because we ARE predictable sometimes. Having more than one game plan is actually a very good way to control games because you can keep the opposition on the back foot. If the opponents know that all they have to do is take the wingers out of the game (or press the two central midfielders hard) then we'll be on the back foot.
But yes, of course, we also need a partner for Carrick. But signing Kagawa to play in the attacking midfield role would make perfect sense. Welbeck will have his chances and in a more fluid formation he can be a brilliant wide attacker.
Well, if we think that 4-4-2 is a good idea then I see no reason why Kagawa could not play alongside Carrick; Modric does the same for Spurs. I just think we shouldn't stick to 4-4-2, especially as it wouldn't allow Kagawa to do as much damage in the final third as he's capable of. His main job would be to get the ball out to the wingers and keep his area under control. He could adapt to that role but it would be so much more obvious to ditch the effing 4-4-2 and get a proper central midfielder in to assist Carrick with Kagawa playing further forward.
Rooney
Young ------------------Nani
Cleverley Kagawa
Carrick
Young ------------------Nani
Cleverley Kagawa
Carrick
Valencia and Nani obviously rotating and Young and Nani.
The truth is, that team should beat all but the top teams who we would change formation for anyway.
There's nothing wrong with 4-4-2. Bloody Football Manager generation.
In terms of who misses out ultimately that'll be down to the players. When Sir Alex signed Poborsky after a stunning showing at Euro 96 it was widely assuemd he'd walk into the team but Beckham rose to the challenge and it was Poborsky who missed out.
Sir Alex will buy good players and then leave it to them to make the case for inclusion. If Welbeck shows in training that he deserves to start he will. If he doesn't he wont. Sir Alex will find ways to include the players that he feels will win us games.
Kagawa is such a player and should be bought.
I love how Kagawa is suddenly this must have player again. I wouldn't mind, but not many gave a feck when we were after Hazard and not many would have bothered about him before we were linked with him. Now he's a must have for us. Its laughable really.
Funnily enough, in Football Manager it's still quite effective, much more so than in real life.
There are plenty of things wrong with 4-4-2 which is why even Fergie often tried to do something else in the biggest games over the last few years (while other big clubs have completely abandoned it) - it would be nice to actually have the proper personnel to go 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 which, generally, requires an attacking midfielder who's not averse to scoring goals or is at least very, very good at creating them.
Has there ever been a world class or even top tier footballer from Asia?
I always consider Nakata to be the continents biggest footballing star, but also to be a bit overrated.
So this guy Kagawa. Is he the greatest Asian prospect of all time?
Because that is what we need him to be.
I always consider Nakata to be the continents biggest footballing star, but also to be a bit overrated.
So this guy Kagawa. Is he the greatest Asian prospect of all time?
Because that is what we need him to be.
The must have player is, for me, 1) a central midfielder to partner Carrick, 2) a creative attacking midfielder playing ahead of the two.
Kagawa fits the bill for the second one and we've been heavily linked with him so yes, it would be disappointing if we did not get him.
There was that fella who wore number thirteen for Manchester United... Played in a couple Champions League finals...
Tbf, he is. He is definitely the most highly rated in years.
I've no idea the kind of money that the Asian market brings in but a young Japanese attacker with a marketable image screams of dollar signs to me. The best thing about it all is from what little of seen of him he genuinely looks a fantastic player.
The deal just makes sense.
The deal just makes sense.
It's the Caf equivalent of the last fat girl standing in a nightclub. The beginning of the night you're not interested, but when there's no more options she's the sexiest thing you've ever seen. So I'm told.
Well he wants to come here and he is totally getable as well. But when he comes up against Hazard, I would pick Hazard any day of the week. Don't get me wrong. I really like Kagawa and he is very talented. And no one was bothered about him? You do know this is the second thread on him already right? A lot of people are impressed with him and he is the next #10 available who might add creativity to our midfield.
Exactly. Putting my cards on the table I would prefer Mario Goetze if I could steal anyone from Dortmund but ideally I'd take both of them to replace Giggs and Scholes in the squad. Kagawa is a quality player, a lynchpin in the best Dortmund side since the team that won the European Cup in 1997. Any team in Europe would actually be fortunate to get him and that's been my perspective since I started commenting in this thread.
I genuinely think some people were so taken with Hazard that they have paid no attention to the kind of season Shinji Kagawa has had. Reading some posts you'd think Kagawa plays in some mickey mouse league for some rubbish team not in the side that recently ripped Bayern a new one 5-2 in the German Cup final and claimed back to back titles.
Statistically there is very little between them although it's worth noting that Kagawa has being plying his trade in the Bundesliga while Hazard has been in Ligue 1.
It's fair to say that the Bundesliga is the superior league by small distance.
Could we please sign him already. I am just sick of losing big talents/players year after year. Just sign him and get it over with.
Ignoring the fact I had the 5th most posts in the Hazard thread, I'd like this to go on record :
, I'd like this to go on record :In the old thread, I said I wanted Kagawa over Hazard. Kagawa, from the few times I've seen him, is a fantastic player who will help us significantly. He also apparently sees the Premier League as the pinnacle of football, which should mean he'd be happy to stay here rather than moving on to Spain in a few years. Hazard is far more likely to go down that route.
We need Kagawa more than Hazard. Hazard is more of a flair winger or a number 10 (from what I read anyway). Kagawa can play the creative AM that we lack.
After the Hazard thing, I have a sneaky feeling that Kagawa will be a disappointment too.
If we dont get him too, it's not too bad actually. We already have Nani, Valencia, Young and Park as wingers, and Carrick, Cleverly, Anderson, Scholes, Giggs and Fletcher as CMs. With Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez as strikers to rotate from, it's not too bad of a squad. Defence is not too shabby too: Rio, Vidic, Evans, Smalling, Jones, Evra and Rafael.
We just need another left back to compete with Evra and we'll be alright I guess.
After the Hazard thing, I have a sneaky feeling that Kagawa will be a disappointment too.
If we dont get him too, it's not too bad actually. We already have Nani, Valencia, Young and Park as wingers, and Carrick, Cleverly, Anderson, Scholes, Giggs and Fletcher as CMs. With Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez as strikers to rotate from, it's not too bad of a squad. Defence is not too shabby too: Rio, Vidic, Evans, Smalling, Jones, Evra and Rafael.
We just need another left back to compete with Evra and we'll be alright I guess.
Are you drunk?
You are going to have so many replies to this
1. Edited - misread your post.
2. Park hasn't played wing all season.
3. Giggs is past it in CM, Scholes soon will be, Anderson and Cleverley are always injured.
4. Three strikers isn't enough.
This notion that people are now only interested in Kagawa because we lost out on Hazard is false, many of us wanted both and the reason all the focus has been on Hazard is that he's been playing everyone like a fiddle, where as practically nothing has been said about Kagawa since the meeting with Fergie over a week ago.
Nope. Def not true.
Let's not forget arsenal are interested and at the moment we are ahead but if we decide to pull out, he's theirs. Kagawa isnt renewing his contract and has already iterated his desire to move to the EPL. If it's not us, it'll be someone else. Talks are ongoing at the moment to agree a fee and hopefully it happens soon otherwise, it'll be another talented player that we miss out on that we actually have a really good chance of signing. Better than Hazard.
You say we dont need him but based on our targets, it doesnt seem that Fergie's top priority is getting a CM. My question is not why spunk out some money for a player like him. He may not be what we really need but that doesn't mean he wont improve us.
Based on the way things are going now, I honestly wont be surprised if at the very most we add one CM to our squad this year. Think we'll only see more movement after next season when Scholes and Giggs retire and I feel most us would agree that would be too late.
So for me, I dont see why we should not buy this player.
You can't say this with any certainty. Unless you're claiming to be ITK?
I really want us to sign him now. I think Hazard will be a better player, but Kagawa has great potential also.
So, have we signed him yet? Need a muppet fix before the Euro's start.
I'm not. It may seem like it but what if we got both? Both him, Hazard and Baines (unfortunately) are our main targets. Now we can cross Hazard off the list but that doesnt mean Kagawa is our backup. It just seems like that based on the timing of all this. If we had signed Kagawa before Hazard made up his mind, you wouldnt be able to say he was a backup.
Situation is that we're still negotiating a fee with Dortmund and this has been going on despite the Hazard saga. We'll see what will happen in the coming days but between us and Arsenal, it looks like it'll be pretty close.
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