I'm not too sure about weak... We didn't really make Barca look stupid when we took Pique, same thing with Fabregas...
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I'm not too sure about weak... We didn't really make Barca look stupid when we took Pique, same thing with Fabregas...
Don't think we had much choice with Morrison. He was too much trouble.
I can see in a few years United regretting his departure if he turns into a top player and it's a blow as our long term strategy is one based on developing youth as we don't have the financial clout to compete with City, Chelsea, Real or Barca. Losing such a player in those circumstances is not good, especially as we have clearly made efforts to keep him. However, I don't see how this makes the club look weak. If anything offering more and breaking whatever pay structures we had for a player of Pogba's age and talent would have made the club look weak as we would have given in to the demands of the agent.
The Morrison's saga made us look rather strong in the end I would say. As for Pogba, it looks dodgy for me, it's not as if he was maltreated or sth but leaving United for Juve nowadays should be definitely seen as a step back, even if a relatively little one. But yes, it can make us look slightly weak.
If only Petrucci didn't have this bloody injury in the most important moment of development. I really rate him, and always preferred him to Pogba when watching Reserves' games.
Made the Spanish system look weak thats for sure. Thats why teams went in again for young spaniards after
What happens when the next sought after kids contract is up? Has to be something done, why the feck would a club Uniteds size start supplying other clubs their best talent? Do I agree with it? no but doesnt mean I want to see us start to lose our top kids.
The better a team is the harder it gets for a youth player to come through the ranks, in general. We maintain a very high standard, with such a big squad it has to be much harder to get into the first team. The big squad also means when we lose the first 2 or 3 players in a position we rarely need to look to a youth player to fill in the gaps, we just move Park or whoever in.
Of course Welbeck and Evans have gotten though recently, but they had loan spells around 19 or 20, which Pogba seems to want to skip.
I think it's one problem with being so good, the margins are so thin at the top that playing youth becomes harder, look at all the games Rafael hasn't gotten when O'Shea or someone else more reliable was preferred.
Of course Welbeck and Evans have gotten though recently, but they had loan spells around 19 or 20, which Pogba seems to want to skip.
I think it's one problem with being so good, the margins are so thin at the top that playing youth becomes harder, look at all the games Rafael hasn't gotten when O'Shea or someone else more reliable was preferred.
Not sure.
We finished without winning anything this year. Juventus won the Italian league!
Also remember that we poached Pogba. I'm sure the trouble we went to just to sign him would have given him the idea that we really really wanted him and he wasnt going to be just another reserve player taking a slower, patient approach to being a first team player through going on loan and the like. Wasnt he like France's captain at youth level when we took him? Pretty sure when you do something like that you have to be ready to bend the rules just a little. Else things like this will happen.
This.
We're not talking post Calciopoli's mid table Serie A / Europa League early exiting Juventus anymore.
We're not talking one of the best 5 sides in the world anymore either.
This. In no way will I or do I feel sorry for Pogba if he does leave. It was his decision. Whilst agents are the scum of the earth and all that, it still remains the players decision.
I still don't understand why someone is a cnut because they decide to play for a team other than Manchester United. It's his choice. He's not a United fan or owing some debt of loyalty to the club.
Although I would find it slightly funny if he went there and then they got relegated for match fixing again.
Although I would find it slightly funny if he went there and then they got relegated for match fixing again.
I don't think that's such a great point. We only lost on by the smallest of margins...
The deal will fall through due to match fixing scandal involving Juve boss Antonio Conte...
Might explain why Pogba's not announced anything yet. Maybe he actually hasn't a deal with Juve yet. His agent might well have been aware of this too and delayed him deliberately.
It's certainly interesting that this hasn't been wrapped up yet, there's more to it than we know. I'm sure of that.
So whats this Scommessopoli business? Juventus arent going to have their title taken away and be relegated to Serie B again are they?
If so, have fun Pogba.So whats this Scommessopoli business? Juventus arent going to have their title taken away and be relegated to Serie B again are they?
Would be typical, the year they have the perfect season going unbeaten, and the whole match fixing scandal comes back to haunt them.
Conte could be banned for 7-8 months, Juve banned from the champions League, but not relegated this time.
The match fixed regards the season when Conte was at Siena in serie b.
The match fixed regards the season when Conte was at Siena in serie b.
His parents will probably have had a big say in this proposed move too. Maybe they don't like the 2 restaurants or the weather in Manchester.
It's hardly likely there'll be any suspensions or expulsions until months, or years, down the line if at all.
Not so sure about that. If the cops are making enquiries we could be talking about arrests, not just sporting bans etc.
Care to shed any light on Juve's implication in this scandal and how it might impact on their transfer dealings?
I'm lost on this. Has Pogba left the club and gone to Juventus?
Not yet, this match fixing scandal might make Pogba think, what with his potential future coach being investigated.
I'm lost on this, too and I don't care anymore. He'll propably announce it on Twitter like the rest of the wankers of that type.
During a meeting with Polish PM Italy's. PM said he would suspend Serie A for 2-3 years. not sure if he can do so but it would be funny if it happened.
He hasn't got Twitter thankfully.
He wasn't being serious, just thinking out loud I believe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18255386
Why is the Italian PM getting involved in the side of football? Or has it always been this way in that particular country? I know the owner of AC Milan was the Italian ex-PM as well
He'll announce it on Xbox Live, then.
I just don't think, he's enough mature to understand what is like to play for United. Got some solid football abilities, though...
He's just giving a personal opinion
So - Pogba has given a letter to Gill saying he's going to Juventus
Juve (who won Serie A) - but their coach is currently suspended and is being investigated by police for max-fixing during his time at Siena - so their coach might not be their coach.
And there are rumours that he'll be loaned out to Udinese anyway - but as they don't know who the coach will be he could even end up being loaned out to Blackburn for all we know.
So he has a choice - stick with United which is the picture of stability and who really want him, or go to Juventus who don't know who their manager is and they don't know if the really want him.
Do I think that under this shroud he'll stay at Manchester United?
Nahhhhhhh! If the Hazard thing is anything to go by, he'll go to Juventus!
Juve (who won Serie A) - but their coach is currently suspended and is being investigated by police for max-fixing during his time at Siena - so their coach might not be their coach.
And there are rumours that he'll be loaned out to Udinese anyway - but as they don't know who the coach will be he could even end up being loaned out to Blackburn for all we know.
So he has a choice - stick with United which is the picture of stability and who really want him, or go to Juventus who don't know who their manager is and they don't know if the really want him.
Do I think that under this shroud he'll stay at Manchester United?
Nahhhhhhh! If the Hazard thing is anything to go by, he'll go to Juventus!
Well after this said letter was given Pogba was in the reserve squad for the MSC final and at the awards do, that was most likely bollocks as SAF wouldn't have let him anywhere near either events if he'd just told us of his intention to leave.
Don't talk rubbish. He was a member of that side, is still a member of the club and deserved to be a part of all of it. Ferguson isn't some hormonal teenage poster on here, he's a level headed man with compassion for all young footballers at the club regardless of what decisions they take.
What message would treating a player like that give out to other potential young signings? The great Alex Ferguson is actually a petulant dickhead who treats you like a child? Nah, he'll do the honourable thing right to the end and then he'll shake his hand and wish him all the best.
Has he left yet? Prick.
Just like he's used Berbatov last season even though he's off....oh wait. If you're of no use SAF won't waste his time, simple as. Do you really think Pogba would play in a final after saying he's going to leave? Would he feck, the only person talking rubbish here is you.Forget signings, what message would it send to the young players here if Pogba got picked ahead of them after announcing he's off. You saw how ruthless SAF was with Keane even after all that service (not seeing what SAF did was wrong mind) but dropping someone for a final after announcing they're off isn't the harshest thing ever is it?
SAF has frozen plenty of players of all ages out, it happens around the globe I reckon. He froze out Yorke especially, and Ruud for a few matches, flogged off Ince, Kanchelskis, Stam, Ruud, Beckham, etc. Sometimes for the betterment of the club other times for being a stubborn prick. All great managers have a megalomaniac side to them.
You're talking about first team players. Players he decides no longer add to our game, the results of the reserves doesn't even matter. Pogba was a big part of that Reserves squad this year and contributed to getting where they were. Ferguson isn't going to go out of his way to make sure a 19 year old is not allowed to play in the Final even if he has decided he's off.
Think how much that would piss off all the other players if they worked so hard to get there and Ferguson told them that one of their team mates, friends and one of their best players isn't allowed to play for them. They're just kids at the end of the day, he deserved his day out as much as anyone else.
Berbatov was also at the awards evening despite being frozen out, shocker!
By all accounts, contract negotations and cnut agent aside, he comes across as a good professional and well liked member of the reserve squad. Even if he has decided to join Juventus, I can't see Ferguson treating him like a piece of shit as you lot make out he should.
Think how much that would piss off all the other players if they worked so hard to get there and Ferguson told them that one of their team mates, friends and one of their best players isn't allowed to play for them. They're just kids at the end of the day, he deserved his day out as much as anyone else.
Berbatov was also at the awards evening despite being frozen out, shocker!
By all accounts, contract negotations and cnut agent aside, he comes across as a good professional and well liked member of the reserve squad. Even if he has decided to join Juventus, I can't see Ferguson treating him like a piece of shit as you lot make out he should.
The results of the reserves do matter as do the attitudes of the players, Morrison was hung out to dry to ensure we got a transfer fee. Berbatov has been a great professional, the only reason I use him as an example is that SAF hasn't treated him as well as he should have. I don't think SAF would look too kindly on Pogba not telling him to his face either and hiding behind a letter regardless of age isn't a great display of character. The reserves weren't bothered with Ravel's situation and I doubt they'd have been bothered by Pogba's either. I don't even think he was a Top 5 player for the reserves this season.
Actually they don't. It's the performances that the emphasis is on. We regularly play Wingers as fullbacks to increase their defensive abilities and Midfielders as wingers to increase their work rate. It's individual player performances that are the focus of the academy and reserves. Results are a bonus. The coaching staff have said this many a time.
I agree, but contract negotiations and negotiating with another club are not "unprofessional", in fact it's the definition of professional. It's a part of the game and Ferguson knows this as well as anyone. Aside from considering his future at the club, he has clearly acted immaculately otherwise he'd have never been given those first team games. It's not like it was a shop window opportunity like Morrison was as we won't get a transfer fee.
That's because the first team is results focused. Berbatov plays when Ferguson thinks it is a benefit to the team. Whether that is hard on Berbatov is, sadly, tough luck. You can't be sentimental about it. Berbatov understands this.
You do realise that writing a letter is a legal thing? He is putting it in writing that he will not be accepting our offer of a new contract as he will be signing with Juventus. Do you think he's been hiding from Ferguson behind lockers since he handed the letter in? They'll have spoken about it as well, you can guarantee that.
You don't have a clue how his situation affected the team. I'd heard murmurs that quite a few people at the club were relieved when he was shipped out as his attitude grinded a lot of gears at the club.
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