You do pick a player when he wins the golden boot though. SAF has really dropped the ball when it comes to his dealings with Berbatov, it's hard to feel sorry for someone on his wages but you have to say that he has been treated poorly by the club.
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You do pick a player when he wins the golden boot though. SAF has really dropped the ball when it comes to his dealings with Berbatov, it's hard to feel sorry for someone on his wages but you have to say that he has been treated poorly by the club.
We have an incredibly modest price tag on Berbatov and both the club and player are in agreement that he should leave, it's not like the club are halting any deal for the player. The fact that no offers have been agreed can solely be placed on the player rejecting whatever offers that have come his way from clubs he deems unsuitable. Maybe after missing out on some targets a decent club will come in for him, but like I said this will probably drag on for a while.
Why does Berbatov "deserve" to play at the highest possible level? I'd like to see what clubs are interested in a 31 year old on £100k a week. The clubs that can afford those kind of wages will prefer a younger striker who is quicker, works harder and is willing to run behind a defence. At least he's nice in interviews though.
And where exactly have I said that? He should hae been getting games at United because he's better than those who do get games. He's a better footballer than Hernandez for a start, by a massive fecking margin.
He's a much better player, but he doesn't seem to fit in with our system.
That, plus his age means he's the obvious choice to leave, instead of Hernandez/Welbeck/Rooney.
I dont think he has done enough when looking at his 4 years to suggest he has been treated badly in anyway.
I would have sold him at the end if year two.
His good season was only about 3 or 4 months.
This is unbelievably harsh. He performed well for six months that season, then was benched for Hernandez as Rooney came into form.
His fourth season was good, in that he acted like a professional despite clearly not being given the chances his performances merited - he scored a lot of goals on limited playing time for us.
He wasn't sold though, that's the point. He was retained and not used. By all means, if he's to be sold then so be it, but mid-season when Hernandez couldn't hit a barn door and Welbeck wasn't firing on all cylinders, Berbatov should have been given games.
My point was that I never suggested he should have been played because he's on big wages, he should have been played because he's a fecking good footballer.
You don't get extra points for not acting like an asshole. Good for him for not starting shit but that's what should be expected not given accolades.
He's out of favor for a reason. The idea what Fergie just did it and it wasn't best for the team is willful blindness.
he's so great that no one wants him. from fergie to every other manager or DOF at clubs from sea to shining sea.
he was damn near frozen out at end the year he won the golden boot and pretty much all of last season.
don't jump others in the thread about it because fergie picks the team and he wasn't even 3rd choice.
30m to 5m that's depreciation not appreciation. massi's hold their value better.
he was damn near frozen out at end the year he won the golden boot and pretty much all of last season.
don't jump others in the thread about it because fergie picks the team and he wasn't even 3rd choice.
30m to 5m that's depreciation not appreciation. massi's hold their value better.
SAF made many mistakes last season; we didn't win anything. Nobody can say with any certainty that it would have been different if he had stuck with Berbatov but I think it was a mistake to drop the guy after his best ever season.
can you run them by me and was berrba going to right them? would he have solved. 4-4 v blue scouse that was the end really and that was the back four and if berba could defend maybe fergie f'd that up. it came down to shite defending in the end which was reflected in goal difference. and berba missed a fair few chances in his days as a player so he's made mistakes too. he can sulk with the best of them. feck him off in exchange for another player the club could use. but get him off the fecking books.
Let's keep him
The mistakes I think he made? Too many to list but I have the benefit of hindsight. Having said that I have been saying for three years that our central midfield is the weak link in the squad and we certainly should have strengthened.
In terms of Berbatov, SAF admitted that he wanted to play Berba as the deeper lying striker in a 442, he did this early on in his utd career and while he didn't score prolifically, he did contribute a lot to the build up play. The golden boot winning season he played Berbatov as the furthest forward striker, it was a great move and it was a big reason we won the league. Last season he put player progression (of Welbeck) over winning trophies; Berbatov is clearly a better goalscorer, that's demonstrably the case.
How eloquent
sorry
berba isn't good enough for the club , he was 3rd choice by the end of the yr before and went down the pecking order. by fergie not anyone else. eloquent or not that's the fact. and if the club isn't going to play him berba should look for a move so he can play a bigger role on some team. clearly his future is not at the club. sell him use him as make weight.
He should stay. Owen's replacement.
Mistake was not selling him last summer. It was obvious that despite his goals the season before last that we were more dangerous with Chicharito partnering Rooney not to mention we seemed more compact and harder to beat without Berbs. I think we would have got quite a few shillings more last summer for him and should have struck when the iron was hot. If he stays though for the last year on his contract then that can only be a great thing as back up to freshen things up when needed. Seems to have a great attitude despite being in a tough situation
It's not - he scored most of his goals in a couple of turkey shoots and failed to turn up in the big games (see Spurs).
'Zenit St Petersburg are nearing a deal to sign unsettled Manchester United striker Dimitar Berbatov, reports Gazzetta dello Sport':
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-n...07/zenit-close-deal-man-united-outcast-178138
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-n...07/zenit-close-deal-man-united-outcast-178138
No way. Nobody wants him.
It may have been his best season at the club but the second half of the season he was nowhere near his early season level. You can't point to his final goals tally and say he would have got the same this season, he only scored a couple of goals after January last year, his form dipped a lot and if anything you would use his end of season form to decide if he should start the next.
I dont see why the Berba lovers ever argue against this.
Plain and simple - when the big games came he never stood up. The 1 game he did was the liverpool game and we all love him for that, but why oh why can he not reach that level against other opposition?
In the times we needed him the most, blackburn away, city in the cup.. he just went missing and we fired blanks which cost us the league / cup.
We need strikers who are more lethal and ruthless. Berba on his day is beautiful to watch and plays the game how it should be played, but at this level it just isnt enough.
Sure he would score 5 goals against wigan at home for fun, but never when it really counts. Give me Hernandez's goals against top 4 opposition against Berbas, and we will see the real truth.
Plain and simple - when the big games came he never stood up. The 1 game he did was the liverpool game and we all love him for that, but why oh why can he not reach that level against other opposition?
In the times we needed him the most, blackburn away, city in the cup.. he just went missing and we fired blanks which cost us the league / cup.
We need strikers who are more lethal and ruthless. Berba on his day is beautiful to watch and plays the game how it should be played, but at this level it just isnt enough.
Sure he would score 5 goals against wigan at home for fun, but never when it really counts. Give me Hernandez's goals against top 4 opposition against Berbas, and we will see the real truth.
I think we ll let him go when we re sure that we are replacing him with another striker
Remember why we lost that cup game v City? Carrick gave the ball away outside our own box which led to the goal, then Scholes goes and fecks up any chance we have with a crazy tackle. Berbatov is the scape goat for it because he missed a chance.
Sure, but goals change games. If he did the job as expected of a world class striker we would of been 1-0 up, and not forced to chase the game.
You never know how things could of turned out but we were in control of the game at that point, and i think that would of given us the confidence to carry on and win the game.
His record in the champions league is also very very suspect, for a striker of his quality why is he so lacking of goals away from old trafford?. Confidence maybe?.
I would prefer to keep Berbatov, it surely makes sense to keep him. He has loads of experience and i disagree that his work ethic is poor. I certainly hope he stays.
I hope he stays if it means us stopping the pursuit for RVP.
lets turn him into a center back or a midfielder. as long as we sign van persie and keep berba.
That was the last time Fergie trusted him in a big game though. He could have had 2 or 3 if I remember correctly.
Howcome no one in the French League want him?? Other than PSG, there should be a bunch of sides who are also playing in Europe needing his services..
Lyon, Lille, Marseille do not have the firepower to compete with PSG without getting some quality and Berba would be a top man to have in your side in a league few notches below the PL..
Lyon, Lille, Marseille do not have the firepower to compete with PSG without getting some quality and Berba would be a top man to have in your side in a league few notches below the PL..
Maybe Berba would rather play fourth fiddle at Old Trafford than first choice at a French club.
He could be holding out to see what forwards leave their respective clubs over the next two weeks then perhaps a move is made near the deadline. Could also be a wages issue though I doubt he's like that.
Pompey need players. He can be a one man team
How much do people reckon Berbatov will go for?
The way things are at the moment, I can see us needing to offload Berbatov to cut the cost of signing van Persie (although I'm not fussed about this transfer happening, just for the record). I reckon Berbatov could bring in close to half the sum we'd sign RvP for -- giving him the No.9 shirt. I don't think van Persie's wages would be that much more than Berbatov's either. I've no idea how much Berbatov is on, but I've heard estimates / guesses of anything from £60,000-120,000 per week. With van Persie currently on around £70,000 per week at Arsenal, he'd probably be willing to accept around £140,000 per week (which is obviously a lot, but I've heard rumours that we'd be paying him around 220k which is mad).
The way things are at the moment, I can see us needing to offload Berbatov to cut the cost of signing van Persie (although I'm not fussed about this transfer happening, just for the record). I reckon Berbatov could bring in close to half the sum we'd sign RvP for -- giving him the No.9 shirt. I don't think van Persie's wages would be that much more than Berbatov's either. I've no idea how much Berbatov is on, but I've heard estimates / guesses of anything from £60,000-120,000 per week. With van Persie currently on around £70,000 per week at Arsenal, he'd probably be willing to accept around £140,000 per week (which is obviously a lot, but I've heard rumours that we'd be paying him around 220k which is mad).
We could well let him go for a nominal fee like £2m to free up wages, I imagine he must be on £5m a year. If we had decided to let him go last year after a very good season and with potentially two years on his deal, we'd have got £10m. It was a stupid decision to keep him seeing as he was barely used last season and almost never when it really mattered, even though he did very well on those few occassions.
I know he is class and has experience, but when we really needed him, when Rooney was injured a couple of years back, he did nothing. We need someone who will produce when Rooney is either injured or on one of his slumps. Not someone who only plays well when Rooney and the rest of the team play well. Someone who can produce something out of nothing. We needed that against City away and at Wigan.
Did he come on against Wigan?
Can't remember, what I am getting at is that we did not create anything against them and if he was on bench Sir Alex didn't trust him to make any difference. I think that is what he is looking for in RVP.