Shinji Kagawa

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Nucks said:
Having not seen him play over the pre-season at all or in Germany ever, and having only seen highlights on youtube.

He will be our player of the year this year, and I am serious! QUOTE ME ON IT!
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I remember you bigged up Hargreaves and look what happened. SAF's still not over the shock of his purchase. Consequences has been United not purchasing a midfielder of note since.

I must say Kagawa is on a much higher level to Hargreaves, so you could be right.
 
Sultan said:
I remember you bigged up Hargreaves and look what happened. SAF's still not over the shock of his purchase. Consequences has been United not purchasing a midfielder of note since.

I must say Kagawa is on a much higher level to Hargreaves, so you could be right.
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Well performance wise, wasn't Hargreaves very good for us? I don't think its fair to slate a poster for the injury problems he had. I mean if our staff couldn't know, then none of US could as well.
 
Although it is ridiculous to make such claims based on YouTube, I've watched him in pre season and it is difficult not to be impressed. My only criticism of him is that it takes a while for him to get in the game. Other than that he is magical and will improve immensely once he is fully match sharp and playing with and against better players.

I can see him making a huge impact this season and he seems like a likeable person which is really good too. I'm beginning to think he may actually be as good if not better than Hazard with only a little less hype
 
I see him becoming one of SAF's genius bargain signings like Evra and Vidic where he eventually becomes one of the best in his position. Still can't believe we got two world class players for around 13 million pounds combined.
 
I haven't even bothered to watch him on YouTube, and have only seen one video of his girlfriend in action, and on that basis alone I have no doubt that Kagawa will be our best player since Ronaldo.
 
Shame it's not his gf then (if you are talking bout that pornstar)...they've actually never met.
 
RDCR07 said:
Well performance wise, wasn't Hargreaves very good for us? I don't think its fair to slate a poster for the injury problems he had. I mean if our staff couldn't, then none of US could as well.
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He was mostly rubbish save a few games. Always was a limited player.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Harsh, in the ONE season he actually played for us, he was ok. Some very good games, very few rubbish games.
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He was exceptional in the final and a few right back cameos where he couldn't get a game in midfield due to him being rubbish.
 
Had some good games against Liverpool and Arsenal as well to be fair to him. There was that free kick against Arsenal too.

Still, underwhelming signing, especially given that the whole thing was drawn out over 2 seasons.
 
I always felt he wasn't a "United-kind" of midfielder. Looked lost on the ball in the Premiership, and I distinctly remember being underwhelmed by his contributions as a CM.

Did well as a RB and a winger, though.
 
marjen said:
I always felt he wasn't a "United-kind" of midfielder. Looked lost on the ball in the Premiership, and I distinctly remember being underwhelmed by his contributions as a CM.

Did well as a RB and a winger, though.
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Really? I thought he was very good for us in his first season. Real fecking shame it didnt work out. he would've been perfect.
 
marjen said:
I always felt he wasn't a "United-kind" of midfielder. Looked lost on the ball in the Premiership, and I distinctly remember being underwhelmed by his contributions as a CM.

Did well as a RB and a winger, though.
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Pretty tough to judge a guy who didn't get a decent run ( consistently in our side ) and was f*cked up by injury, I'd compliment him for the shifts he put in for the emergency RB and playing on the wings in the CL final...

He was a tactical buy and suited us in big games like Barca as he had the engine to close down the opposition for 90 minutes.

We don't have that kind of MF now, and we don't have a clue how well Fletch has recovered thats why I for one is calling for at least a decent substitute to Hargreaves/Fletcher as they could be really useful in big games.
 
prateik said:
Really? I thought he was very good for us in his first season. Real fecking shame it didnt work out. he would've been perfect.
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I don't think he offered us anything special in CM at all. A couple of decent performances against Liverpool and Arsenal, both backs against the wall-stuff, contributed to this myth that he had such a fine season in CM. In fact, all of his best performances came as a RB and a winger. (Anderson too has suffered because of this myth that he was fantastic against Arsenal and Liverpool in his first season IMO, but that's for another discussion.)

I always thought Carrick played the role much better than Hargreaves did. As a CM, he was of much more use to us than Owen H. Hargreaves tended to slow the play down, as exemplified by his signature move of letting the ball run past his body while panically looking for a pass, before ending up with a support pass for the full back who was now under pressure. I just felt that he didn't really perform for us that first season as a midfielder, and I don't remember that being anything other than the general consesus at the time.
 
marjen said:
I don't think he offered us anything special in CM at all. A couple of decent performances against Liverpool and Arsenal, both backs against the wall-stuff, contributed to this myth that he had such a fine season in CM. In fact, all of his best performances came as a RB and a winger. (Anderson too has suffered because of this myth that he was fantastic against Arsenal and Liverpool in his first season IMO, but that's for another discussion.
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He was fantastic against Arsenal and Liverpool
 
Hargreaves was very good towards the end of the season. Had some brilliant matches in the CL like the game at OT vs Roma and the final. Also brilliant at The Emirates along with Anderson and again at the Anfield. Not sure why we're arguing about Hargreaves in the Kagawa thread though.
 
Tomuś said:
He was fantastic against Arsenal and Liverpool
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Too right, that performance against Arsenal in the FA cup was amazing. That's genuinely one of the best performances I've seen at Old Trafford, which is saying something given what we've had the pleasure of seeing there in recent years. :D

If he'd just kept that level and played like that consistently, we'd have had one of the best midfielders on the planet on our hands. Still time yet hopefully, but he needs an injury free season for Christ's sake.
 
KingEric7 said:
Too right, that performance against Arsenal in the FA cup was amazing. That's genuinely one of the best performances I've seen at Old Trafford, which is saying something given what we've had the pleasure of seeing there in recent years. :D

If he'd just kept that level and played like that consistently, we'd have had one of the best midfielders on the planet on our hands. Still time yet hopefully, but he needs an injury free season for Christ's sake.
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Are you serious about him becoming a top MF in the planet ?
 
You never know. He's definitely got it within him, but admittedly there's a lot of shit that needs to come together pretty quickly, hence the use of 'hopefully'.

I am one of Anderson's biggest fans and absolutely love the game he provides when he's on form, but even I'm getting a bit sceptical as to whether he'll fulfil his potential. I don't get it when people say he's not got it within him or hasn't shown himself to have that potential, though - he's shown on so many occasions how high his ceiling is. He's just been ridiculously unfortunate.

There's still a chance for him to become top drawer. Stranger things have happened than players of Anderson's talent and age turning into quality players.
 
Sultan said:
I remember you bigged up Hargreaves and look what happened. SAF's still not over the shock of his purchase. Consequences has been United not purchasing a midfielder of note since.

I must say Kagawa is on a much higher level to Hargreaves, so you could be right.
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I was involved in the Carrick vs Hargreaves debate. I still stand by my position that Hargreaves was a superior player, and that his injury situation never let him get properly started here.

Beyond that what an odd thing to bring up considering it was almost what, 5 years ago? ;p

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Ekeke and Sultan need to think critically on this. Hargreaves was in and out of the side all season due to injury. They justify "him being rubbish" by suggesting that because he played RW and RB for us instead of CM this is evidence that he was poor centrally.

Hargreaves was flexible, and was able to slot in a position of weakness for us. We had depth at CM, we did not have depth at RB or RW. He was also never in form the entire season and only at the very end of the season when he finally got a long string of games under his belt did he even begin to approach his potential.

Injury made the debate, and the competition between Carrick and Hargreaves academic, however to suggest that a player is rubbish because they are injured and never get a chance to get rolling is grossly disingenuous.

It is expected from Ekeke as Carrick was his horse from day one in that thread, don't recall which side of the fence Sultan was on!

Anyways, it is ancient history, I just wish people could be fair in their assessment of players. Calling someone rubbish who clearly wasn't is laughable.
 
Tomuś said:
He was fantastic against Arsenal and Liverpool
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Against Liverpool we held on to a 1-0 win after a set piece goal from Tevez. Anderson and Hargreaves harried well enough, but they absolutely were not fantastic in that match.

The Arsenal-match in the cup was a fine match by Ando, that much's true, but again I don't think his mythical "exceptional" performances has helped him much later on.
 
peterstorey said:
Look, that was an FA cup game that Arsenal didn't take seriously. You can't take an essentially non-competitive game and draw a major conclusion and ignore about 70 mediocre games.
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Your players looked like they were taking it seriously when they were attempting to break Nani in two. ;)
 
God knows why your refer to United like that. I'm not one of those who gets offended by it (I find them laughable, that they actually think that people like you are having a go at Munich in some way), but I do get the impression you do it for a particular reason.
 
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