It would make no sense whatsoever to drop Kagawa after last nights performance. If anyone deserves to get one, it would be Nani and Rooney. I guess there is a possibility Kagawa will be shunted out left but will again make little sense, given how much potential he showed in his favourite position so far. Rooney gets special treatment from Fergie though so I do expect Rooney to somehow feature with RVP and Kagawa. The last thing to do now is to drop Kagawa, our players need to get use to him and vice versa, the best thing to do is play Kagawa in behind RVP with Rooney on the bench after last nights performance IMO.
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It would make no sense whatsoever to drop Kagawa after last nights performance. If anyone deserves to get one, it would be Nani and Rooney. I guess there is a possibility Kagawa will be shunted out left but will again make little sense, given how much potential he showed in his favourite position so far. Rooney gets special treatment from Fergie though so I do expect Rooney to somehow feature with RVP and Kagawa. The last thing to do now is to drop Kagawa, our players need to get use to him and vice versa, the best thing to do is play Kagawa in behind RVP with Rooney on the bench after last nights performance IMO.
Well played Kagawa , looked like he'd been with us for a few seasons....
After watching Rooney lollop about last night, and Nani once again hit whichever defender was nearest with each cross, then Kagawa has quickly become my new favourite United player, after Scholes. The energy and ability this lad has is superb and I think he could form a deadly partnership with Van Persie. He looked like a proper number 10 in the Silva class.
It would be nice to see Kagawa playing behind RVP only 
He wasn't playing against our 'zombies' though? So that's a ham fisted comparison. As well as being wrong. The type of player he is depends on service and movement, none of which can be delivered by the undead. Rising above the malaise that seemed to infect our passing last night is quite a difficult thing to do. See every other player as proof.
Kagawa behind RvP (who is better on the ball than Rooney) would be very good but I'm sure all three will play and hopefully they develop a good understanding.
I don't think we should be rash by simply dropping Rooney or Nani after one bad game. We know what they're capable of and how good they can be so it wouldn't make sense.
I think we should drop Kagawa back to a central midfield role. He would be the more advanced of the two centre mids so would still get forward more than enough for us to be creative and influential on the game.
I think we should drop Kagawa back to a central midfield role. He would be the more advanced of the two centre mids so would still get forward more than enough for us to be creative and influential on the game.
Did anybody else realise the amount of passes like that he made yesterday? He split Everton's defence open a number of times, and he's unlucky not to have a couple of assists to his name already.
Spot on
He was great. He created 3 clear chances (Rooney's header, Cleverley, Welbeck), plus a number of other good passes. I love him.
Imagine watching the replays this season, and how many times you'll see Kagawa's splitting pass leading to a goal
DAMN IT THIS GUY IS AWESOME.
DAMN IT THIS GUY IS AWESOME.
We should try him wide left in a free role with the licence to drift inside. Evra can then provide the width on the left hand side.
I don't think it's an issue of contrasting styles, players could have trusted kagawa more but that will come with time. Short quick passing and crossing don't have to be exclusive. That's exactly the problem arsenal have faced, the issue barca had against chelsea. It's not one or the other.
I do think that'll be the only way to play him if we want to play our strongest eleven:
De Gea
Rafael Ferdinand Vidic Evra
Carrick--------
----------Cleverley
Valencia/Nani------Kagawa
Rooney RVP
Rafael Ferdinand Vidic Evra
Carrick--------
----------Cleverley
Valencia/Nani------Kagawa
Rooney RVP
I wont be surprised if he proves himself to be our best signing this season.
Kagawa is way better than I expected him to be.
Looks like a superb player. And could be one of the players of the season imo.
Looks like a superb player. And could be one of the players of the season imo.
He was so magnificent yesterday that I wanted him to take me from behind so I can have his children.
The ultimate complement right there.
Actually; although he's obviously a very good player, he wasn't all that yesterday. He'll need a few games to get used to the frantic pace of the EPL.
Did anybody else realise the amount of passes like that he made yesterday? He split Everton's defence open a number of times, and he's unlucky not to have a couple of assists to his name already.
Just looking at whoscored.com and he had 4 keypasses in a game where Everton did a fantastic job closing down, keeping things tight and defending. That may very well go down as one of the toughest games of the season to open a team up given Everton's performance.
If Kagawa could somehow keep that up as his average over the season he'd be setting his team mates up more than Silva or Mata last season, the players with the highest key passes in the league and with daylight between them too (2.9 Silva and 3.0 Mata)
Very impressive.
I am dead serious in saying I'd rather have him than Hazard. At this stage at least, maybe in 5 years things will be different.
Dg
Def
Kagawa carrick cleverly
Nani rooney
Rvp
Job done.
Def
Kagawa carrick cleverly
Nani rooney
Rvp
Job done.
Same here. Hazard probably has a higher ceiling as a player, but right now I'd rate Kagawa just ahead.
Another thing is I expect sooner than later (and to get the best out of him) Hazard will have to have the team built around him a la Ronaldo. Kagawa seems like much more of a team player and will fit in much better for United than Hazard would have.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/sports/T120821003224.htm
Japan midfielder Shinji Kagawa made his long-awaited league debut for Manchester United on Monday, playing the full game in a 1-0 loss to Everton in their Premier League opener.
Kagawa, who moved to Man Utd after two standout seasons with German champion Borussia Dortmund, played a supporting role behind lone striker Wayne Rooney. Kagawa drew notice with slick passes that created several scoring chances, including a cross that Rooney headed just wide, although none resulted in a goal.
There was speculation that the recent acquisition of Dutch striker Robin van Persie might have an impact on Kagawa's playing time. But manager Alex Ferguson showed his faith in the 23-year-old by putting him in the starting lineup.
"The opening match is important and we didn't get a win, so it's disappointing," Kagawa said in a televised interview. "I feel a heavy responsibility for the defeat."
Japan midfielder Shinji Kagawa made his long-awaited league debut for Manchester United on Monday, playing the full game in a 1-0 loss to Everton in their Premier League opener.
Kagawa, who moved to Man Utd after two standout seasons with German champion Borussia Dortmund, played a supporting role behind lone striker Wayne Rooney. Kagawa drew notice with slick passes that created several scoring chances, including a cross that Rooney headed just wide, although none resulted in a goal.
There was speculation that the recent acquisition of Dutch striker Robin van Persie might have an impact on Kagawa's playing time. But manager Alex Ferguson showed his faith in the 23-year-old by putting him in the starting lineup.
"The opening match is important and we didn't get a win, so it's disappointing," Kagawa said in a televised interview. "I feel a heavy responsibility for the defeat."
"I feel a heavy responsibility for the defeat".
The guy's too good to be true. How on earth have we gone and signed someone for £12m who not only looks like he could become our best player almost immediately, but also takes responsibility for defeats even when he's our best outfield player? Everyone knew he'd be a cracker of a signing, but still...what a fecking signing!
The guy's too good to be true. How on earth have we gone and signed someone for £12m who not only looks like he could become our best player almost immediately, but also takes responsibility for defeats even when he's our best outfield player? Everyone knew he'd be a cracker of a signing, but still...what a fecking signing!
What a personality. He genuinely seems like the type who's just thrilled to be at United, and isn't taking it for granted.
Either that, or he's giving the standard Japanese reaction after a defeat.
This is an excellent point. Scholes clearly not limited to shunting it out to the wings, but you do wonder if the change in emphasis implicit in a signing like Kagawa is spelt out in our preparation. Must be. Right? Right?
Anyone else think Rooney was very very quick to get to that ball (until he put on the decelerator).
As much as I'd like to see Kagawa through the center, I'd rather see this than shove Welbeck/Rooney out wide.
I did imagine him saying that with a bowed head and a samurai sword, to be fair. Is that racist?
No way do you toss Kagawa out wide. He was the only bright spot through the middle and his creative passing is needed to open the game.
I say we stick with the 4-3-3 like this:
-------Carrick--Cleverly-------
-----------Kagawa-------------
Valencia---------------Rooney
-------------RVP---------------
Nani doesn't deserve a starting spot after last game. Rooney doesn't either, but you know when he's on form he's too good. I think he'd prefer to play out wide and actually see a ball played to him not in the air and not when two giant CBs are towering over him. Let him have room to dribble and cut inside again.
I bench Scholes because quite honestly I wasn't impressed yesterday with his movement unless he was tackling at weird angles. Against Fulham you need movement.
Kagawa has to get the ball and the play has to move through him.
There's no way Rooney should start over nani from a wide area unless we want pure work rate. Anything else is purely cause its Rooney.
Hazard and Cazorla will be a strong contenders also
I realise I'm probably one of the few but a fit and sharp Rooney out on wide left isn't so much a problem for me. I think he's more than capable of playing in that role and causing problems for the other team.
To get the top guns playing someone isn't going to have to play out of position, guess its a good problem to have as they say. Not totally convinced it is though!
To get the top guns playing someone isn't going to have to play out of position, guess its a good problem to have as they say. Not totally convinced it is though!
Rooney was immense against Fulham in one of the later games in last season, remember.
He also seems to be faster, although his give and go was slightly off yesterday; he nearly pulled off some very good moves with Kagawa, however.
I'm sure he'll practice it in training with Shinny.
He also seems to be faster, although his give and go was slightly off yesterday; he nearly pulled off some very good moves with Kagawa, however.
I'm sure he'll practice it in training with Shinny.
Tbh I'd hate to put kagawa wide but I think he can offer more there than Rooney can. It's a home game so we should be able to let him drift and get width on the left from evra. Hopefully though it can effectively become a front four with kagawa being able to interchange with the likes of Rooney.
He's coming from the frantic pace of Borussia Dortmund. The likes of Carrick, Nani, Cleverly, Valencia need to step it the fck up.
Hey played well there when we put Ronaldo up top.
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