Berbatov | Fulham player

In case Ekeke, Randall and Ismail missed last season, we won feck all. Has it occurred to you that SAF might have made some mistakes that contributed to that? I genuinely cannot believe that anyone could seriously rate a couple of raw youngsters ahead of a striker who played a huge role in winning us our 19th title, least of all SAF.

I have to be up at 6am tomorrow and I'm going to bed. The only good thing about Berbatov leaving this club is that I wont have to contend with this kind of wilful ignorance any longer.
 
In case Ekeke, Randall and Ismail missed last season, we won feck all. Has it occurred to you that SAF might have made some mistakes that contributed to that? I genuinely cannot believe that anyone could seriously rate a couple of raw youngsters ahead of a striker who played a huge role in winning us our 19th title, least of all SAF.

I have to be up at 6am tomorrow and I'm going to bed. The only good thing about Berbatov leaving this club is that I wont have to contend with this kind of wilful ignorance any longer.

Has it occured to you that we didnt just win the title because of Berbatov? He easily had his best season and performed very well but guess what... Hernandez replaced him in the lineup for the last section of the season which was a recurring theme in his time here. And there were 10 or more other players in every match wearing a united shirt who worked just as hard to win the title.
 
ekeke is notorious Berbatov hater, so not surprised by his last few comments.

I pretty much agree with every comment of him regarding Berbatov. It's not haters vs lovers. It's realists versus his fanboy base.

At the end of the day, 5M from a mid table club of Serie A is the best offer any club made for him. It's clear that only some United fans rate him so highly.
 
I pretty much agree with every comment of him regarding Berbatov. It's not haters vs lovers. It's realists versus his fanboy base.

At the end of the day, 5M from a mid table club of Serie A is the best offer any club made for him. It's clear that only some United fans rate him so highly.

Strange, considering I've seen more factual data (which is an indicator of being realist) from his apparent lovers than from the haters.
 
In case Ekeke, Randall and Ismail missed last season, we won feck all. Has it occurred to you that SAF might have made some mistakes that contributed to that? I genuinely cannot believe that anyone could seriously rate a couple of raw youngsters ahead of a striker who played a huge role in winning us our 19th title, least of all SAF.

I have to be up at 6am tomorrow and I'm going to bed. The only good thing about Berbatov leaving this club is that I wont have to contend with this kind of wilful ignorance any longer.

We didn't won nothing cause of attack? Haven't you seen us played last season? We didn't won nothing cause of defense and midfield, we were brilliant in attack.

Hernandez was as important (if not more) as Berbatov in 2010-2011 (including the Champions). He also scored consistently and was very good at big matches, something that Berbatov couldn't done even in his best year here.
 
I rate Berbatov higher than 5 million euros over 3 seasons and going to Fiorentina. So if I hate Berbatov he must have really pissed off almost all european clubs somehow and they must dislike him more than I supposedly do.

Saying people hate a player is a lot easier than coming up with arguments or counter-arguments. But its beyond nonsense for Evra to suggest that Sir Alex Ferguson dislikes/hates Berbatov
 
Strange, considering I've seen more factual data (which is an indicator of being realist) from his apparent lovers than from the haters.

On the other side you are not considering facts against him.

That in his best season he didn't score in 10 games in a row. That in big matches he scored only in 2 games (Chelsea supercup, Liverpool hat trick). That he has never scored in Knock out of Champions in United shirt. That in his best season he was replaced by a striker who was playing in the first year in Europe. And that only offer for him came from a mid table Serie A team, 5M.

The only your argument was that he was top scorer (19 goals). And as I have said before, Andy Johnson (EPL), Lucarelli, Di Natale, Gilardinho (Serie A) have scored more goals in their best season than him.
 
Agree.And to think SAF admitted that he was at a loss how to best utilize him when he first bought him.
 
Strange, considering I've seen more factual data (which is an indicator of being realist) from his apparent lovers than from the haters.

ok - f the data here's the biggest factor. fergie replaced him w/ a kid who didn't have a preseason with the club , playing in a new league. played that kid more in the back half of the same season berba won the golden boot. fergie then knocked him from 3rd to 4th choice last season. and as a result we scored more goals. that kid who did nothing wrong is now 4th in pecking order (3rd w/ rooney's injury).
fergie is the data.

5m is a joke. he's better than that. the city is beautiful. good luck , he didn't do anything wrong to the supporters or the club. he was the wrong spanner for the job.
 
On the other side you are not considering facts against him.

That in his best season he didn't score in 10 games in a row. That in big matches he scored only in 2 games (Chelsea supercup, Liverpool hat trick). That he has never scored in Knock out of Champions in United shirt. That in his best season he was replaced by a striker who was playing in the first year in Europe. And that only offer for him came from a mid table Serie A team, 5M.

The only your argument was that he was top scorer (19 goals). And as I have said before, Andy Johnson (EPL), Lucarelli, Di Natale, Gilardinho (Serie A) have scored more goals in their best season than him.

You would have to get rid of half of your strikers if that '10 games without a goal' was determining. Especially as those were the games where we as a team played badly and there were some 0-0 along the way too. I also believe he didn't play them whole and would like to see the set of those fixtures.

As for Andy Johnson I thought I've made it clear some time ago. You want to go into details (in which games Berba scores in which he doesn't) then don't use double standards and take a look that half of Andy's goals were penalties. Ahh, and Berba had 20 I believe. What's more, I've never said that is the reason he is good enough, which you know he is if you know anything about football, but the strange thing how he was frozen out after finally delivering.

What is EVEN more I'm sure all of the lovers here, myself including, have come to terms with his departure some time ago. I only started to see haters here throwing some bollocks like 'nobody wants him he's so shite' some time ago, way after his fanboys realised he doesn't suit us.

I believe I said that in this very thread looong time ago and I wasn't the only one. 'Such a brilliant player, shame he doesn't suit us'. Something along the lines and it was over. Till, as I said, you lot decided it wasn't enough for you and started digging the old shit out.
 
I wouldn't say it was a disaster signing, that's harsh, he played a big part in the 2011 pl title. Ultimately Berba will likely reflect that he didn't make the most of his opportunity here but I think Fergie will take some considerable fault for the transfer. He didn't seem to have an idea of what he wanted from him. I think in his first season he tried using him as a number 9 leading the line which doesn't suit Berba at all, think I remember Fergie saying that he used him wrong. Then we tried him in more off a number 10 role but unfortunately he and Rooney never clicked and got in each others way quite a bit, with both dropping off too often, leaving no one in the box.

In some ways though I think we signed Berba too early. The team when we got him didn't really suit him. There weren't enough players who were getting beyond the striker and so we couldn't make use of Berba dropping off and playing people in. Now we have two strikers in Hernandez and Welbeck, neither who'm he's really played with but who suit him much more as a partner than Rooney. Ando and Clev have come on/emerged and both are players who try and get beyond the strikers whenever they can. Nani has upped his game in the last two seasons, Valencia has become more assured about getting in to the box and linking up.

There was a lot of talk about how Berba didn't fit in to the new style because he wasn't fast and that's partly why Ferige preferred Welbeck/Hernandez etc, but if you look at the signing off RVP, that doesn't really fit in. Pass and move, isn't about speed, you have to be mobile but not necessarily fast, the ball can move faster than any player. Berba has always shown that he's is extremely comfortable with that sort of game and in fact you can see that much of his frustrations came from the overall staticness off the players. There wasn't enough movement.

That's not to say that Berba isn't to blame at all. He can definitely be accused of not really showing enough fight often enough and as being quite wasteful in front of goal, although I think he was very unlucky at times. But I wouldn't say his transfer was a disaster. It hasn't worked out as well as it could and we've not really seen the best from a player with undoubted talent and personally I'm genuinely sad about that because he could have been real quality for us and he comes across as a good guy. Like I said in some ways I think we signed him before we could really use him properly.
 
30m is stil a fair bit in todays market too. Pissed away.

Signings like this sometimes make me wonder what our Sir Alex is upto.

The logic behind it was good at the time IMO. It just didn't work out.
 
I wouldn't say it was a disaster signing, that's harsh, he played a big part in the 2011 pl title. Ultimately Berba will likely reflect that he didn't make the most of his opportunity here but I think Fergie will take some considerable fault for the transfer. He didn't seem to have an idea of what he wanted from him. I think in his first season he tried using him as a number 9 leading the line which doesn't suit Berba at all, think I remember Fergie saying that he used him wrong. Then we tried him in more off a number 10 role but unfortunately he and Rooney never clicked and got in each others way quite a bit, with both dropping off too often, leaving no one in the box.

In some ways though I think we signed Berba too early. The team when we got him didn't really suit him. There weren't enough players who were getting beyond the striker and so we couldn't make use of Berba dropping off and playing people in. Now we have two strikers in Hernandez and Welbeck, neither who'm he's really played with but who suit him much more as a partner than Rooney. Ando and Clev have come on/emerged and both are players who try and get beyond the strikers whenever they can. Nani has upped his game in the last two seasons, Valencia has become more assured about getting in to the box and linking up.

There was a lot of talk about how Berba didn't fit in to the new style because he wasn't fast and that's partly why Ferige preferred Welbeck/Hernandez etc, but if you look at the signing off RVP, that doesn't really fit in. Pass and move, isn't about speed, you have to be mobile but not necessarily fast, the ball can move faster than any player. Berba has always shown that he's is extremely comfortable with that sort of game and in fact you can see that much of his frustrations came from the overall staticness off the players. There wasn't enough movement.

That's not to say that Berba isn't to blame at all. He can definitely be accused of not really showing enough fight often enough and as being quite wasteful in front of goal, although I think he was very unlucky at times. But I wouldn't say his transfer was a disaster. It hasn't worked out as well as it could and we've not really seen the best from a player with undoubted talent and personally I'm genuinely sad about that because he could have been real quality for us and he comes across as a good guy. Like I said in some ways I think we signed him before we could really use him properly.

Spot on, If you listened to some people you would have thought this was Torres' or Carroll's type of signing.
 
The logic behind it was good at the time IMO. It just didn't work out.

i agree , just the wrong player or maybe the wrong time. maybe should have went for him when he left bayer.
 
i agree , just the wrong player or maybe the wrong time. maybe should have went for him when he left bayer.

I'm sure I read that we did but talks with Spurs were already very advanced.

I may have just made that up though...
 
I'm sure I read that we did but talks with Spurs were already very advanced.

I may have just made that up though...

lol - i could have sworn we had to wait to sell rvn. you made that one up too didn't ya
 
I'm sure I read that we did but talks with Spurs were already very advanced.

I may have just made that up though...

van der sar said he should have joined us instead of fulham and we did bid for him. you thinking of him?
 
Truth be told he was at his best with Hernandez playing off him. He and Rooney were always too similar. Rooney was chosen. I honestly see the same potential problem with RVP. We bought him to lead the line but I think in our system he contributes more elsewhere. Already we've seen him prefer heading out wide.

After this waste of money, I still wonder why people get upset when we don't splash money on big players. Historically for us it doesn't work out.
 
I disagree. Also I don't think Welbeck will ever win a golden boot. Doubt he will ever be a 20+ goals a season player.

Welbeck offered far more work rate, and linked up far better with all out players than Berbs ever did.

I also think he is a more determined player. Been able to move him wide and deep when required was also a big plus

Again we will get nowhere with this. At least we won't have to keep on arguing over him. After the past few years I can honestly say I am tired of Berbatov discussions.
With all due respect, that's a bit much seeing as how you turn up in just about any thread in which he's mentioned. I do agree that we won't get anywhere with this. I love Berbatov and wish him all the best, but it's time to look forward, and Hernandez and Welbeck are key parts of our future.
 
Right player, wrong time.

See also Juan Veron.

Swap those two around in terms of the timing of their tenure at the club and both of those sides would have been amazing.
 
It's funny that teams seem to always play hard ball with United when buying our players, perhaps knowing that SAF isn't going to harm a player's career by refusing them a move when it's best for all parties. If this Berbatov was at Spurs a team would have come in already and bought him to secure their place in the EPL.

Sure, the price we get will probably be a few million under value to make up for his high wages that most teams can't pay, but it seems bizarre he hasn't gotten a move yet. I'm thinking the teams after him are holding out for a super cut rate at the last minute, thinking SAF won't keep Berbatov knowing he has almost no chance to start.
 
Its weird how highly some people rate him on here, even in his best season he only scored 20 goals, that is obviously a very good amount, but not near enough to justify some peoples rating of him,

He scored the equal highest number of goals of any striker in the league. That's plenty high enough for people to rate him. That he did so in the season we surpassed the dippers tally of league titles, including a hat-trick against the same opposition, also helps.

The only mystery is why a lot of United fans seem to be so bitter and reluctant to give any credit.
 
Having read some of Elezi's posts I sorta wanna apologize to Ekeke.Elezi is the true Berba hater.I don't understand how can a player who's done his best at Man United despite not being a good fit in terms of playing style, didn't whine too much when left on the bench can generate so much negativity.
Even if it didn't work out as well I (and many other fans) would have wanted it, I'm happy to have seen him under a United shirt.Special mention to his great season as a top goalscorer (a season he got criticized for not spreading his goals :wenger: ).
I guess deep down despite not liking this player, knowing he played a significant role in United's historical league win can be painful for some odd people
 
After this waste of money, I still wonder why people get upset when we don't splash money on big players. Historically for us it doesn't work out.

Really? I'd say we have an excellent record: in (relatively) recent times I'd say out of Stam, Yorke, Veron, RVN, Rio, Rooney and Berbatov only Veron and Berbatov could be deemed failures.
 
He scored the equal highest number of goals of any striker in the league. That's plenty high enough for people to rate him. That he did so in the season we surpassed the dippers tally of league titles, including a hat-trick against the same opposition, also helps.

The only mystery is why a lot of United fans seem to be so bitter and reluctant to give any credit.

I know he was equal highest scorer but that doesn't change the fact that 20 goals is fairly low for a player who, according to a fair few people, is some kind of creative and technical god. It doesn't matter, if you take sentimentality away, that it was that particular season, it doesn't make his goal tally more impressive.

I'm not saying he is not a class striker, just that he isn't up to the level some fan boys think he is at.
 
I like Berbatov. Very technically good player but it didnt work out for him with us. Some terrible luck for him with those costly missed chances too.

Great attitude to be honest. He never made a big fuss out of not playing. Maybe a little bit, but that's understandable.

Good luck at Fiorentina. I hope he does really well there.
 
I know he was equal highest scorer but that doesn't change the fact that 20 goals is fairly low for a player who, according to a fair few people, is some kind of creative and technical god. It doesn't matter, if you take sentimentality away, that it was that particular season, it doesn't make his goal tally more impressive.

I'm not saying he is not a class striker, just that he isn't up to the level some fan boys think he is at.

:lol: 20 goals is low.
Besides creative players aren't expected that many goals (using your own words).

I like Berbatov. Very technically good player but it didnt work out for him with us. Some terrible luck for him with those costly missed chances too.

Great attitude to be honest. He never made a big fuss out of not playing. Maybe a little bit, but that's understandable.

Good luck at Fiorentina. I hope he does really well there.

This should be the reaction of most fans.I agree with everything.
 
He scored the equal highest number of goals of any striker in the league. That's plenty high enough for people to rate him. That he did so in the season we surpassed the dippers tally of league titles, including a hat-trick against the same opposition, also helps.

The only mystery is why a lot of United fans seem to be so bitter and reluctant to give any credit.

I think the argument can be made that he didn't score much in Europe and he was very inconsistent is his 20- goal- season. You put 5 past Blackburn and couldn't score from Feb/March on-wards.

I think that during his 3 seasons with us (i don't take into consideration last year) his best was 2009/2010. First was simply atrocious, second was very good where his intangible contribution- the famous pre-assists -taking place every now and then.
 
I'm hearing it's £4.5m? Joke of a feee.