Agree to disagree. I doubt that Hernandez had a better goals/minutes ratio though. Also, Berbs had a much better goals-assists/minutes ratio last year than both Hernandez and Welbeck, if I remember correctly.
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Agree to disagree. I doubt that Hernandez had a better goals/minutes ratio though. Also, Berbs had a much better goals-assists/minutes ratio last year than both Hernandez and Welbeck, if I remember correctly.
See my comments above. He never did that. But I can see how you'd think that if that's the title of the made up article.
I actually watched the interview. Nothing like that was said
Do you have a link to the interview in full?
I'll quote myself. As I don't have the time to type all this again....
work..
yes. tonight
Can't fault him for having a go
Berbatov: Ferguson has lost my respect
Reuters - 51 minutes ago
Dimitar Berbatov said on Monday he had lost respect for Sir Alex Ferguson over the way his Manchester United career came to an end.
The Bulgarian striker, who moved to Fulham on transfer deadline day on Friday, said he was unhappy with the way the United manager had treated him in the final months of his four-year stay at Old Trafford.
"I don't think I deserved such treatment at United - not playing [regularly] in the last year," Berbatov told a news conference at Bulgaria's Vasil Levski national stadium in Sofia.
"I went more than 10, probably 15, times to ask the coach if they need me. And every time I was told that I'm an important player and should not leave, but then again I was not in the team.
"Maybe I should've gone when he [Ferguson] left me out of the squad for the Champions League final [in 2011]. I know he's the boss, but he has lost, to some extent, my respect because of the way he treated me."
This is not a true translation or some journo is playing at getting a little bit of scandal in. I watched the press conference and he said that his attitude toward SAF had changed a bit over the last few months because Berba asked for a straight answer at least 10 times and was always told that he is an important part of the team.Berbatov became United's most expensive player when he joined from Tottenham Hotspur in 2008 for 30.75 million pounds, and was the Premier League's joint top-scorer in the 2010/11 season with 20 goals.
The player's agent, Emil Danchev, said on Monday that Berbatov had received a late offer from Spurs at the end of the transfer window. "We were in touch with Tottenham at the last moment," Danchev said, adding that 12 clubs wanted to sign the striker.
Berbatov, who on Monday confounded expectations in Bulgaria that he would come out of international retirement, said he fell victim to a change in United's style of play.
"He [Ferguson] tried to explain to me that the team will be using a more direct style, with more speed," he said. "But I've never been among the fastest players, I like to hold the ball, this is my style.
SAID GOODBYE
"I found it hard to accept his decision [not to play him] - I still have my dignity. I scored many goals, I won the league two times, and I was the league top scorer, so it's not bad.
"I'll have no problems playing against United as this already happened in my career. But there's no point to look back again. I said goodbye to the people, who deserve it. I couldn't say goodbye to Ferguson." Bullshit again! He said I said goodbye to my teammates but I couldn't say goodbye to Ferguson because he wasn't there when I was leaving.Berbatov's transfer to Fulham proved controversial in Italy, as he twice turned down offers from Serie A clubs at the last minute to stay in the Premier League.
Berbatov denied he had acted inappropriately in his dealings with Fiorentina and Juventus.
"I've never personally told them, 'Yes, I'll play for you'," he said. "It's not my problem that someone is disappointed. After all, I choose where to play and be happy."
The 31-year-old angered Fiorentina when he turned his back on them last Thursday, one day before the end of the transfer window. The player then rejected the chance to move to Italian champions Juve.
"He did not deserve our city and our shirt and the values it represents," Fiorentina said in a statement.
Berbatov said: "It's stressful. One club called, then another, and a third, and then another. A man can go crazy at one point. I'm a human being and it's normal for me to hesitate."
Berbatov was in Sofia ahead of Bulgaria's 2014 World Cup qualifying game against Italy on Friday. He was called up for his country's qualifiers against Italy and Armenia but insisted he would not return to the national side.
"[Coach] Luboslav Penev was the only one who made everything possible to make me feel welcome, so that I can see that he wants me back," he said.
"We met at least twice, as friends. We discussed it but at the end of the day, the choice I made in the past still stands."
Berbatov, Bulgaria's all-time leading scorer with 48 goals, quit the team in 2010 hinting that fatigue and family commitments were behind the decision.
I hate it when people try and do things in order to cause some kind of turmoil. Fecking journos.
He deserved a lot of credit for not having kicked up a fuss. And can you honestly say that you and others wouldn't have held it against him if he had?
Pathetic stuff from the Berba haters on the last few pages. If it were any other player...
fecking press eh? Bunch of knobs..
Far better players than bervatov have been given the cold shoulder treatment from fergie. He should have left last summer. I am certain he regrets not doing so now
I agree with you but why do you think he'd have wanted to move when told by SAF that he's an important part of the team? He says in the interview that he was told he was needed and would have preferred to be told he wasnt needed much earlier. We also rejected a 15mil or so bid from PSG. How was he to know that he'd be spending the season on the bench?
Not everything you agree or disagree is firmly placed as right or wrong.
Yes, just check when the goals were scored. That's a nuanced way of analyzing this.
He was dropped the previous season. The final straw for him should have been the cl final. Then with welbeck re joining the squad it was plainly obvious to me that his chances would be even more limited.
He should have handed in a transfer request. I am sure it would have been accepted.
I would be interested in hearing fergies side of the situation.
Berba had a run of 10 games (9 of them as a starter) without scoring. An another run of 7 games and an another run of 5 games. Add to that 2 run of 4 games without scoring.
Chicha's worst run of games without scoring were 4 games and that happened 3 times but in one of them he came two times as sub.
It's not a contest which of them was the most consistent performer. And knowing that Chicha played less minutes than Berba, yet again he managed to score only one goal less than him. Also, he scored more goals in big matches (especially in Champions K.O) so it wasn't simply that Fergie without reason chose to play Chicharito instead of Berbatov. The thing is, that even in his best year he was outperformed by a young Mexican who just came in Europe.
He should have left simply because he was dropped for the final? I must say i totally agreed with SAF on the decision. If only 1 striker could have been picked in the final, it should have been Owen. Doesnt mean Berba has no place in the team, not at all.
Sir Alex repeatedly said in interviews back then that berba remains a big part of plans and that he has great options etc. I dont blame Berba for believing him.
As i see it, no one, not even SAF expected Welbeck to fit in so well so quickly. He would never have gone into a season with just 1 experienced striker + 1 youngster and 1 striker into his 2nd season in the league. Once Welbeck fitted in, berba had no place. Had Sir Alex been able to somehow foresee that, we would have sold him for 15mil. We're hardly a club that can afford to spend such high wages for an entire year + turn down 15mil just for the sake of it.
No the final should have been the final straw. He was dropped for most of the final third of that season
I can understand why Ferguson wanted to change the style of play (though I'm not sure what he expected when he signed Berbatov in the first place - bizarre move) and I can also understand Berbatov for being aggrieved with him. It's possible to be pissed off with the manager but still have tremendous respect for the club, and that's exactly what he's done.
Spurs made late bid for Berbatov
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...ade-late-bid-for-berbatov-16206049.html?r=RSS
Spurs and their late bids.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...ade-late-bid-for-berbatov-16206049.html?r=RSS
Spurs and their late bids.
Thanks for telling us what Berba really said in his interview.
Getting truly sick of journos intentionally writing misleading articles and having no respect for the truth or the people they are "quoting".
If anyone compares Berba's situation to Tevez then they're plain and proper retards.
And if this is true, then it's a very shitty way to treat a player. I'm sorry and I'm always Fergie's biggest defender on this site but that's ridiculous.
And if this is true, then it's a very shitty way to treat a player. I'm sorry and I'm always Fergie's biggest defender on this site but that's ridiculous.
The person who writes the article doesn't write the headline.
I'd usually slate the culprit when a former player slates Fergie, but in this scenario I'm inclinced to actually agree with Berba. He finished the season as top goalscorer in the league, which is no easy feat, and yet he was treated poorly throughout last season. Who knows what may have happened if we used him in some games against weaker opposition - could we have shredded that goal difference down with Berba's reputation of scoring a good amount of goals against lower teams? Who knows indeed.
Alas, I have nothing but respect for Berbatov. He wasted a year of his precious footballing career. A footballer's professional career only lasts 20 years or so, and to miss out on a year in the latter stages of his career must be difficult I'm sure.
Fergie may not be the manager he is today without that "no-sentiment" side to him, but with that being said, I still think Berba should have been treated better. If we didn't need him, Fergie should have told him "You can go". No other way around it.
Alas, I have nothing but respect for Berbatov. He wasted a year of his precious footballing career. A footballer's professional career only lasts 20 years or so, and to miss out on a year in the latter stages of his career must be difficult I'm sure.
Fergie may not be the manager he is today without that "no-sentiment" side to him, but with that being said, I still think Berba should have been treated better. If we didn't need him, Fergie should have told him "You can go". No other way around it.
What Berbatov actually said: (if anyone cares)
"I'm leaving after a year in which I barely played any games. It was very frustrating, I don't think I deserved it after the season in which I became the top scorer for the team.
After the CL final and the summer break I went and talk to Ferguson, I said "Boss, am I needed? Does the team need me? Because you didn't trust me in the final but let's not get back to that, I don't want any explanations why you did that etc..just tell me if I'm needed, do you trust me, because I want to play." He said, "Dimi, I need you, I want you to stay."
So a glimmer of hope emerges, I'm thinking to myself if I fight back, train well, I could get back into the first eleven. Because Ferguson also said he realised he's made a mistake by not playing me. So I'm expecting chances to get back into the team.
In the end I believe everyone in my place will be fed up with it. I can't constantly go to him and moan about it, asking why this, why that...He'd be fed up with me as well, he'd probably tell me to feck off, right?! He's the boss and he decides, after all.
Anyway, I didn't get a reasonable explanation. But it's in his right I guess, I don't know... so I can't explain it to you as well. You're asking me, you're wondering, I'm wondering...
But from what other managers have told me, from what Martin Jol has told me, SAF has said to them I don't fit in his new team tactics.
So I'm a little bit disappointed by him, as a person."
"I'm leaving after a year in which I barely played any games. It was very frustrating, I don't think I deserved it after the season in which I became the top scorer for the team.
After the CL final and the summer break I went and talk to Ferguson, I said "Boss, am I needed? Does the team need me? Because you didn't trust me in the final but let's not get back to that, I don't want any explanations why you did that etc..just tell me if I'm needed, do you trust me, because I want to play." He said, "Dimi, I need you, I want you to stay."
So a glimmer of hope emerges, I'm thinking to myself if I fight back, train well, I could get back into the first eleven. Because Ferguson also said he realised he's made a mistake by not playing me. So I'm expecting chances to get back into the team.
In the end I believe everyone in my place will be fed up with it. I can't constantly go to him and moan about it, asking why this, why that...He'd be fed up with me as well, he'd probably tell me to feck off, right?! He's the boss and he decides, after all.
Anyway, I didn't get a reasonable explanation. But it's in his right I guess, I don't know... so I can't explain it to you as well. You're asking me, you're wondering, I'm wondering...
But from what other managers have told me, from what Martin Jol has told me, SAF has said to them I don't fit in his new team tactics.
So I'm a little bit disappointed by him, as a person."
What kind of twat would twist his words and add things that were not there, like 'respect' and choosing not to say goodbye to Sir Alex. For all his shortcomings on the pitch for us, I always admired his attitude, he's a professional and I couldn't imagine him saying he lost respect for SAF no matter how he left. And I would imagine that Fergie told him he was still in his plans and to fight for a place to keep him motivated?
^^
That doesn't have anything about how he was unable to say goodbye to certain people so it looks like it's not the complete story either. Amazing how hard it is to find something with the entire interview.
That doesn't have anything about how he was unable to say goodbye to certain people so it looks like it's not the complete story either. Amazing how hard it is to find something with the entire interview.
I guess it's not the full interview but unless he's repeating things, that's basically it. The part about the goodbyes I believe he meant that SAF simply wasn't there at the time.
It's like a soap opera.
Important thing is - Berbatov didn't publicly moan during his time here and is just "a little bit disappointed" by Fergie. I'm sure SAF can live with that.
All is well, moving on.
It's like a soap opera.
Important thing is - Berbatov didn't publicly moan during his time here and is just "a little bit disappointed" by Fergie. I'm sure SAF can live with that.
All is well, moving on.
Go back and read the old Tevez threads. Same thing was said then by different people.
Personally, I don't give a shit about a player earning that much money whether he played or not. If he didn't like it, he should have made it clear he wanted out. He's an idiot for thinking it would change for an entire season. The whining on here about his treatment is ridiculous. He was paid an amazing amount of money for a guy who should have never been signed because he was never going to fit in and he's a big game bottler.
Get ready for a denial from Berba in one of the other newspapers saying everything was taken out of context and that he has the upmost respect for Ferguson as a manager....
Did you read what Berbatov said? Time and time again he was reassured that he would get plenty of playing time and that he was important. It's not as if he'd already had a full season of benchwarming either; he'd been a first team regular for a lot of the 2010/2011 season until towards the end. There was nothing to suggest that he was going to feature so little the next, even if his playing time would be lessened.
I find the comments about money so ironic as well. Footballers in the modern era are slated constantly for being money grabbing mercenaries, but when someone like Berbatov moans about a lack of playing time, with moaning arguably being an overstatement, people say that they don't feel sorry for him because of the money he gets. A footballer has a limited career. In this case, Berbatov has had a year in his peak wasted. If he loves playing football, then while he can be happy with the money he earns, the money can't get back that year of no football for him.
I fecking hate these small time journalists that twist words or basically just give us completely false quotes.
Even Sky Sports has that story on their page, fecking gimps
Even Sky Sports has that story on their page, fecking gimps
Fair play to him.
Even the twisted words aren't that bad IMO. would anyone here have felt differently if they were in the same position? I highly doubt it. The fact that he remaine silent in a season where he was fourth choice says more to me than anything else.
What do you expect? As soon as a player leaves this club he is cannon fodder for ungrateful little miserable cnuts.
Exactly.
He is not class afterall.
feck Berbatov!
Whatever Fergie did, I will still support his reasoning over Berbatov's.
You post on RAWK too?
Spurs made late bid for Berbatov
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...ade-late-bid-for-berbatov-16206049.html?r=RSS
Spurs and their late bids.
I remember this part from the interview, which is also interesting. Berba's agent:
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...or-berbatov-16206049.html?r=RSS#ixzz25RgAiL8D