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I'm actually a bit confused by what you're on about here. Berbatov certainly isn't at fault for our signing him, and from the sounds of it, he did address his misgivings with SAF, but unlike say Tevez (or even Rooney,) he did it privately.
I was saying that the vast majority of Berbatov supporters, including myself, will continue to support SAF, given that he is the manager of our favourite team.
Of course, I hope for the best for Berbatov, in every game except against United. That doesn't that we can't feel sympathy for a guy who by all appearances was hard done by over the last year or so.
From what I recall, the Tevez situation is a great illustration of how a player can fall out of favour with fans due to his behaviour during and after his time at the club. I was actually quite a fan of his, especially during his first season, but I lost all respect once he started slagging of SAF. From what I've read of Berbatov's interview (and from what I've seen in how he's handled himself over the last year,) there is no comparison between his behaviour and Tevez's.
So to sum up, your statement that the Berbatov supporters will continue to support him over SAF is simplistic and moronic.
Cheers for that. Really despicable stuff from the mistranslating journo(s).
Fergie's a winner. He does anything to win. Keeping Berbatov in the team is actually very important especially if we were to have injuries to 3 of Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez and Owen. Small chance but you never know, plus we didnt need to sell him. It was the same with Tevez. To be fair, Tevez missed chances similar in importance to Berbatov near the end of his stay with us. I can clearly remember a few. I bet Fergie was furious everytime and havent let them go for a long while esp those two aginst citeh by Berbatov in the FA cup semi I think.
In a way, it's a good mentality to have for the other players. He'll cut you out if you drop your playing level far too often, no matter who you are. No favouritsm.
I feel for Berbatov but at same time I didnt want him to play as he was, quite frankly, in terrible form.
In a way, it's a good mentality to have for the other players. He'll cut you out if you drop your playing level far too often, no matter who you are. No favouritsm.
I feel for Berbatov but at same time I didnt want him to play as he was, quite frankly, in terrible form.
Loved you Berbs (I know a bit late).
Will always think you were a class player no matter what. Thanks for the service and memories!
Will always think you were a class player no matter what. Thanks for the service and memories!
That's all true except for the last line. He wasn't in terrible form last season. During the christmas period when given the chance, he played well. His minutes to goal ratio was very good also.
I dont actually remember the details to be honest, but I think he was played in 'smaller' games. I also still clearly remember how he slowed us down significantly everytime he receives the ball. Kept giving possession away and more importantly wasnt effective even when he got to use his technical skills.
Dont get me wrong, he's not a bad player at all. Just that he missed some crucial goal chances and he needed to regain Fergie confidence in him for far too long. That's just my opinion anyway.
Who's to say for sure he was treated like shit? They just don't gel if one has to be honest.
Look at Ole, there are two choices for him in his time with us.
1. felt like shit being treated as a super sub and left us with bitterness
2. keep training and learning and waiting for his chance, never complained being used as a super sub, played as best he can and score important goals
It's all about attitude and Fergie knows what a United player should behave as he is the boss and a successful one.
It's not like when players are not playing, their salary will be less. Training every day and waiting for your chance to shine to score important goals might be harder than playing 1st team every game, but if Ole can do it, why not Berba? Players who can stand the test of time becomes a United legend when the time comes, whereas bitterness does not get you anywhere.
It was the City game in the FA Cup and the Chelsea game soon after. Rooney was out after scoring goals all year. The table was set for Berbatov to really prove that he could be a match winner in a big game and he didn't deliver.
We were all over City and the game should have been buried with the chances Berbatov had. We lost, they won their first trophy in ages.
After that he literally never played.
We were all over City and the game should have been buried with the chances Berbatov had. We lost, they won their first trophy in ages.
After that he literally never played.
this is cliched nonsense. Was it Berbatov who slowed us down at Everton the other week or Southampton the other day. We don't need Berbatov to slow us down and even less to give the feckin ball away - which, for me, he does less than Rooney or Welbeck.
the last two paras are utter crap - Berbatov's behaviour has been exemplary and you'd be hard pushed to find any other player who held his counsel under the circumstances the way he did. Can't even be bothered responding to the stupid comparison with Ole.
Nail hit on head.
That City FA Cup semi cost him Fergie's trust... he never got it back
Berbatov giving the ball away? hahahahaha
Maybe not in the sense of a midfider, no, but there were many significant moments where for example, he was suppose to link midfield and Rooney etc but he messed it up.
And yes, he did slowed us down in many occasions, not all the time obviously. When he received the ball he tend to wait and look around and usually some good opportunities to counter attack failed.
Like I said, he doesnt do these all the time, but unfortunately at important times in games and even season. In a way, he was unlucky. This coupled with some crucial goal misses, he's never gonna be one of Fergie's favorites.
well...there are always two sides to every story. We have heard Berba's view of it all. I'm sure one day...probably in his memoirs, Fergie will reveal his side. I'm can't believe there weren't other discussions between them both or the coaches..perhaps on the footballing side, a suggestion of a change of style to suit a vision or something. I would suggest both are to blame for things not quite working out.
Footballers will always complain about managers when things don't go right, it's part and parcel of the game and the media circus. Whoever is wrong or right, I'm sure its water off a ducks back for Fergie. He only has one focus, and that's United and the team. He doesn't really give a dam what we or the media or any footballer says or thinks, he just gets on with what he believes. It's one of the reasons he has lasted so long and been so successful.
Footballers will always complain about managers when things don't go right, it's part and parcel of the game and the media circus. Whoever is wrong or right, I'm sure its water off a ducks back for Fergie. He only has one focus, and that's United and the team. He doesn't really give a dam what we or the media or any footballer says or thinks, he just gets on with what he believes. It's one of the reasons he has lasted so long and been so successful.
Bollox, he got treated like a professional footballer. Part of the job.
It's such a shame what happened with Barba. A brilliant player who deserved better.
He just didn't seem to really relish the stage he was given. Never looked as confident as he should. And yet he performed well, Fergie's total rejection of him was very odd.
Some of this talk about mistreatment is pathetic. So Ferguson said he still thought he would have a bigger part to play, and he didn't? So what? Shit happens.
I'm still disappointed he's gone on a personal level though. Nice man
I'm still disappointed he's gone on a personal level though. Nice man
Seriously, you'd think that he was one of the best players at the club and got frozen out for no apparent reason. We've seen far worse (Keane, Stam etc) to far, far more important members of the team, it's part of Fergie's management style; ruthless. The obvious point is he lost the manager's trust in the big games, but Fergie still wanted to keep him last season in case Welbeck didn't gel or Rooney got injured. He was a total backup and never really proved himself in the few chances he was given (in his overall play, despite a statistically decent goal return).
Should Fergie have told him he was only going to be a backup if things went well last season? Definitely not. If he did we'd have potentially been left short up front. Fergie has a duty of care to do what is best for Manchester United, not what is best for any players, particularly fringe ones.
I do wonder why the Park thread hasn't exploded with the same accusations of mistreatment and unfairness. I really don't see any difference; both players had made a good contribution in the past; both players were no longer in Fergie's plans (apart from as a backup) and both players were moved on after Fergie no longer had any use for them. I suppose Park wasn't as glamorous as Berbatov...
It's an interesting comparison. Park is an average player who often put in good performances in big games. Berbatov is a brilliant player who it didn't really happen for in the big games.
I think it was the City game that did it for Fergie, I think it was in the FA Cup when Berba missed some good chances and they went on to win it.
I think it was the City game that did it for Fergie, I think it was in the FA Cup when Berba missed some good chances and they went on to win it.
He's well within in his rights to feel screwed over, Fergie lied when he said he was an important part of the team, we should have let him leave.
I don't understand those who think the money means they should have to take shit. Your talking about someone's dreams and the last few years must be everything when a player gets to that age.
I don't understand those who think the money means they should have to take shit. Your talking about someone's dreams and the last few years must be everything when a player gets to that age.
i think berba should just not mention or criticise fergei in any of his interviews now, or in the future. we all know he was mistreated a bit during his last 12 months as a united player, but that's part of a footballer's life i guess. you cannot be on top all the time.
most of the united fans appreciate the way berba handle himself last season. i hope it will stay that way.
most of the united fans appreciate the way berba handle himself last season. i hope it will stay that way.
the real berba..crying all the way to the bank....
He's well within in his rights to feel screwed over, Fergie lied when he said he was an important part of the team, we should have let him leave.
I don't understand those who think the money means they should have to take shit. Your talking about someone's dreams and the last few years must be everything when a player gets to that age.
I don't understand those who think the money means they should have to take shit. Your talking about someone's dreams and the last few years must be everything when a player gets to that age.
Not to mention John O’Shea. Played 30 odd games a season and got pretty much dumped following the signings of Smalling and then Jones . Wes Brown was left out even when fit a huge amount and then finally got let go.
Brown is also another example of Fergie taking the hump over a poor performance. He was at fault for a goal away to Liverpool (Berbatov’s debut) and we didn’t see him for a long time after that.
I dont have an issue if he does critisise. He is entitled to his opinion and if he feels that way so be it.
He isnt the first player to leave with a bit of a bad taste and he wont be the last
To be fair, we have only heard one side of the story...
This is the problem of a fan's perspective isn't it! If a player holds out for more money, or asks for a move, he's a disloyal scumbag. If a player gets frozen out and feels aggrieved, it's football and he should get on with it.
Double standards really, Very few people will criticise their club for their treatment of players, but will quickly jump on a player for mistreating their club.
Double standards really, Very few people will criticise their club for their treatment of players, but will quickly jump on a player for mistreating their club.
Seems to be the other way around in this thread so I've no idea who you're talking to.
Correct. And for which he was paid a fortune.
Well now that he's gone, i'll look back at the Berbatov signing as a failure in all honesty. Yes you can argue that he helped us win trophies, but did we ever see the best of Berbatov in a United shirt? His inclusion in the squad started to fracture what I think was the best football I've ever seen us play in 07/08. Would Tevez have acted the twat had he not been pushed down the pecking order?
Don't get me wrong, Berbatov had his moments, that Liverpool hat-trick in 10/11, followed up shortly after with the 5 goals against Blackburn. Perhaps the majority of us expected too much from him, the price tag and his performances at Spurs perhaps led us to believe he was going to be World Class when in reality he was frankly ordinary. He should have left in the summer of 2011 having completed a good season for us. It was obvious from that point that he hampered our style and after that season we only saw him play 1000mins more for United.
What you can't do is fault Berbatovs loyalty and professionalism, its just a shame it never really clicked for him at United. Wish him well at Fulham.
Don't get me wrong, Berbatov had his moments, that Liverpool hat-trick in 10/11, followed up shortly after with the 5 goals against Blackburn. Perhaps the majority of us expected too much from him, the price tag and his performances at Spurs perhaps led us to believe he was going to be World Class when in reality he was frankly ordinary. He should have left in the summer of 2011 having completed a good season for us. It was obvious from that point that he hampered our style and after that season we only saw him play 1000mins more for United.
What you can't do is fault Berbatovs loyalty and professionalism, its just a shame it never really clicked for him at United. Wish him well at Fulham.
He got the years wrong, the Chelsea game spoken of was in 2010, the cup game in 2011. Carrick and Scholes were also at fault for our loss in that.
What I seriously don't get about freezing Berbatov out in order to play a faster and more direct style, is that during this period, United have played with a much slower and less direct style.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/dimitar-berbatov-continental-085452099--sow.html
forgot about this series...Dimitar Berbatov is...The Continental
forgot about this series...Dimitar Berbatov is...The Continental
Sorry but
. Berbtov is the one central forward we've had for a few years now who hardyy ever gave the all away. Infact give away man in chief is usually Rooney. Especially when he is just a bit off form.Yeah, it's a bit of a strange thing to criticize him over. If any our our forwards had the possession retaining ability of Berbatov, they'd be a lot better for it. That was one thing you were guaranteed when he came on, that no matter how he received the ball, or the defenders marking him, he'd more often than not come away with it.
Especially considering that in the few games he did play last season, he was very good.
Him and Valencia were basically a two man team against Blackburn...and there were tons of games in the second half of the season where we knocked the ball around at a snails pace playing everything in to feet, while Welbeck/Hernandez wasted their energy trying to run in behind.
I don't quite get it. Are the rest of the players just not doing what Ferguson's telling them to? Or did he just wake up one day and decide he hates the guy he paid £30m for?
Sorry but
I know what you mean, but what I'm saying is that Berbatov didnt make full use of the ball possession. Simple sideway-Makalele kinda pass does not count. I'm talking about his possession of the ball as a forward in attacking mode. You need to make it effective i.e. create chances, in which he didnt do more than he has done. Read my original post on this, I was more like refering to his effectiveness in attacking link-play especially in counter-attacks.
So your "analysis" is clever? How?
So, my comparison is stupid? Do you also think Sir Alex is stupid too? I really hope you don't respond to my post because if you're disrespectful of someone's opinion, you are not worthy of my time.