Errrr retarded to say there's no agenda against Nani when everyone on here knows full well that you believed there to be one against Berba.
You're either one way or the other, fecking decide. Do people have agendas or not?
Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances
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Errrr retarded to say there's no agenda against Nani when everyone on here knows full well that you believed there to be one against Berba.
You're either one way or the other, fecking decide. Do people have agendas or not?
It's not a fecking agenda, when the majority are praising for him performance and saying he was inconsistent in the match, which is true. Obviously there's a minority who are saying that he didn't play well and for me that's wrong.
This post for me was nail on head regarding Nani's match.
It really didn't because it said he was shit first half when actually he was ok. Aside from that though it's not far off, but others have been caning him, you've actually picked out a post that mainly consists of praise. Well at least in awarding him a 9/10 second half.
Here's a post that may have an agenda, not the fecking one you posted...
Valencia was fecking USELESS all game by the way, so explain that fecking last line to me if the guy doesn't have an agenda?
There's always going to a minority. Look at the MOTM thread and see how many votes Nani gets in top3.
Yes, and the minority have a fecking agenda. Something you said people don't have.
I don't think anyone cares about the posts that actually sum up Nani's second half last night as very good, it's the fecking Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime like Tomus that wind people up the wrong way.
He should have taken the penalty in the same style he did in that preseason vs Bayern
Nah, there's definitely a tinge of anti-Nani in many posters - the thread wouldn't be this long otherwise.
Don't know why but people don't seem to apply the same benchmark for performance with our other wingers. Maybe it's because they're far more limited.
Perhaps the pressure of the previous misses from RvP and Chicharito was too heavy for him to bear.
Perhaps history has something to do with it?
He's a talented winger - of that there is no doubt. What constantly lets him down is his judgements and shooting.
I thought he was pretty good. Had more positive moments than negatives, but people seem to focus more on his negatives. His link up play with Kagawa was really good, and he set up a couple of good chances.
His creative passing in the second half was top notch. Also his linkup play with Hernandez was pretty good, even though Hernandez's finishing was poor.
Think he'll start on the right against Liverpool and Welbeck will start on the left.
Think he'll start on the right against Liverpool and Welbeck will start on the left.
I hope not. I know Valencia's end product was gash today, but he's always a threat, and we need our wingers to stay wide and stretch Liverpool who will be quite compact in the middle. I would like to see the exact same front four from today for Liverpool, with Nani causing trouble on the left.
WTF
Giggs gets hammered and slated on the CAF, and has done for the last 5 years, despite his status because of how wasteful and frustrating he can be as a central midfielder.
As for Nani, personally I think his form last two seasons should have dispelled the frustrating player label abit. His end product and consistency have been much improved as has his maturity generally. Last night, he was frustrating mind you and he's been abit like that this season. The pen was at an important moment in the game and like Brwned said, it will stick in the mind. He had a very good second half after the pen, sure.
Personally thought Carrick was MOTM and was impressed with Kagawa in the first half. Everyone else needs to up their game a couple of notches for the dippers game.
Have no idea why people assume that he took the penalty despite SAF wanting someone else to. These things would be addressed before the game.
Also, he could have had 3 or 4 assists last night, had people converted the chances he created for them.
Last night summed him up really - ridiculously annoying at times yet still created numerous chances. Can see why people get frustrated by him, but he's still one of our most dangerous players even when he's not at his best.
Poor on the whole last night with some flashes here and there. In the main it's just not happening for him. Poor penalty. Must do a lot better really.
Is this a WUM? I really can't tell.
Which aspect is ambiguous for you? Nani should definitely do better. For a player with so much obvious talent he has been disappointing in so many games. How long can a player sustain average form and still be immune from criticism. It's not a question of being anti-Nani - you don't think if he played out of his skin at Anfield that we would praise him generously?
It is laughable if he ever thought he was going to step into Ronaldo's boots and be the main man at United.
I hate that fecking word...
He was poor last night and has been the whole start of this season. Class act and unplayable on his day. There was some flashes last night of that. No more.
You know what they say about form and class. He will come good. Hopefully on Sunday.
Amazing isn't it?
Don't see a problem with that, he's definitely going through a dip in form.
For me Nani's a confidence player and right now he looks like its suffering a bit, it's easily said in hindsight but I didn't like the look of him in the run up to the penalty.
Is it the end of the world? No.
Will he get past it? Yes.
He's a very talented player but all players will occasionally have dips in form from time to time.
Nani has so much natural talent and that's why we should expect more from him. His fellow wingers Valencia and Young have limitations, and so I don't have such a great expectation with them.
Thing is, if he hits form in one game, has he shown he can sustain that for a few games, let alone a full season?
i agree that he could easily ended up with 2 or 3 assists. some fantastic final ball from him today.
i guess he lost the ball quite easily on several occasion, as well as a poorly taken penalty, which easily makes him look a bit poor, which is actually not.
i guess he lost the ball quite easily on several occasion, as well as a poorly taken penalty, which easily makes him look a bit poor, which is actually not.
How do you think he's played overall in 2012, for us? He's got a goal or an assist in just 4 games since January...is it fickle to expect more from him, given how we all thought he turned a corner over two and a half years ago? His general play even on a bad day is far better than what it was before then and he's one of our most assured players in possession, but it seems like he's gone back to being a bit too hit-and-miss in other areas after those great 18 months.
Yeah 10-11 where he set a new record for PL assists.
His link up play with Kagawa looks very promising. Lets wait until the attacking 4 found each other and are able to link up quick and direct
Thought the same last night, once he and Kagawa get on the same wavelength they could be devastating.
I don't disagree that he has been poor up until last night, but he created at least 4 clear chances last night, and some of his link-up play with Chicharito and especially Kagawa was fantastic. He gave the ball a way a few times in the first half, but if Nani's showing last night was your definition of a poor performance then you're setting the bar way too high in my opinion.
I don't buy all this "for a player of his talent he should be doing better" nonsense either. What he did last night was create a lot of chances and produce several bits of exciting play. That's pretty much what he's in the team to do. He'll play worse than last night and get a couple of assists - he may not have hit top form, but I find it strange that on a night where he's our most creative outlet(bar maybe Kagawa) that he still gets stick.
If those were no more than 'flashes', I'll take flashes all season thank you...
It's always polemic with Nani.
Considering how the entire team performed last night, I don't think it was bumping this thread to criticise Nani or say that he was "shit", because if that's the case, a ton of other threads should have been bumped.
He was probably one of our top 3 performers (which tbf, is displayed in the Motm thread results). I think Nani's biggest problem is that people know how damn good he should/could be, and hence when he has a off game, it's a bit more frustrating. It's encouraging though that he had a very erratic game last night (which says a lot about the team's performance if he was still round about top 3 on the night!) yet on a different night he might have come away with a couple of goals and a couple of assists!
Considering how the entire team performed last night, I don't think it was bumping this thread to criticise Nani or say that he was "shit", because if that's the case, a ton of other threads should have been bumped.
He was probably one of our top 3 performers (which tbf, is displayed in the Motm thread results). I think Nani's biggest problem is that people know how damn good he should/could be, and hence when he has a off game, it's a bit more frustrating. It's encouraging though that he had a very erratic game last night (which says a lot about the team's performance if he was still round about top 3 on the night!) yet on a different night he might have come away with a couple of goals and a couple of assists!
That's fine. I disagree. You can cut this WUM nonsense mind, quite frankly I have better things to do than post on the interwebz to get a bite out of folk.
I think Nani is capable of much better. I think this because I've seen it.
To be honest I think he just needs one to fly off that right boot of his into the top corner and he'll be back to his confident best.
Here is hoping so.
I'd agree with most of that...he wouldn't have been anywhere near MOTM for me personally but I take what you say.
I don't know, I think you people are too harsh. Yes the penalty was absolutely shit, but aside from that I thought he was very good last night.
He created at least 4 absolutely clear cut chances of the top of my head, some of them with brilliant play, and he's the one player who seems to really have "understood" Kagawa and how we should use him.
The three passes in quick succession where he released Hernandez twice and Evra once, were absolutely brilliant in execution and vision. The quick passes exchanged with Kagawa should have led to a goal if Shinji had been a bit more determined in front of goal. In addition he linked up really well with Evra throughout the match, showcased some nice dribbling and movement and also tracked back well.
I thought he was by far our most productive player in the final third last night, and on another night he would have got 4 assists. Creating 4 clear cut chances in a match is a fecking good return for any winger, at least when they came about as a result of great passing and link-up play.
He created at least 4 absolutely clear cut chances of the top of my head, some of them with brilliant play, and he's the one player who seems to really have "understood" Kagawa and how we should use him.
The three passes in quick succession where he released Hernandez twice and Evra once, were absolutely brilliant in execution and vision. The quick passes exchanged with Kagawa should have led to a goal if Shinji had been a bit more determined in front of goal. In addition he linked up really well with Evra throughout the match, showcased some nice dribbling and movement and also tracked back well.
I thought he was by far our most productive player in the final third last night, and on another night he would have got 4 assists. Creating 4 clear cut chances in a match is a fecking good return for any winger, at least when they came about as a result of great passing and link-up play.
Valencia was frustrating last night. He was beating players for fun, his positioning was class...exciting and Gala didn't know what to do with him...
Then he couldn't cross a fecking road.
Did you miss the last 2 seasons?
"Can't sustain it for a few games"... the mind boggles it really does.
He also lost the ball consistently which put us in toruble and shit out of two challenges which, again, put us in trouble.
I have no doubt some are too harsh on Nani...but let's point out the bad as well as the good. I can't find one person who went the match last night (or watched it on tele) who thinks he had a good game, or anywhere near so.
We all see different things...as you say some are being too harsh, others are being way too defensive.
He'll improve...and if he bangs in a winner on Sunday he'll be a hero. I'd quite like him to do because I think he'll be flying after that.
He's more than capable of sustaining it.
I thought he was very good last night, one of his better performances in a long time.
He'll always slightly frustrate, but that goes for a player like Rooney or even a Ronaldo as well.
I don't think you could ask for much more from a creative player than setting up 4 big chances in a match. It's not like it were minor chances either.
Well, you could ask of him to score a penalty, which he should have, and yes it was a shit penalty and unbelievably annoying.
As for the losing the ball and putting us in trouble bit, well I thought he retained possession a lot better than the majority of players out there. It's not something I noticed particularly, however I did notice Scholes of all people give away the ball three times in the first half, as well as Evra arranging his usual "free ride down the left"-BBQ party for his winger.
I'd trade a couple of losses of possession for 4 clear cut chances in any match, and so would you.
I really didn't see him lose the ball that much, defintely less than Scholes and Valencia did. He got caugt a few times where he tried to take someone on but almost every time he made sure we got it back.
He had a good game with some poor flashed and some brilliant flashes. I think it's similar to the Wigan game. Watching it live and you get frustrated because you don't know whats going to happen and we're not at our best. Watch it again after you know the result and where you can be more objective then you can see that certain players like Carrick and Nani played a lot better than you would think looking at the matchday thread.
He put on around 4/5 super chances that's all you can really ask. He worked hard, linked up well etc. If people can point out some flair players in comparison that play to a constant high level/ don't frustrate at times, I'd be surprised.
He had a good game with some poor flashed and some brilliant flashes. I think it's similar to the Wigan game. Watching it live and you get frustrated because you don't know whats going to happen and we're not at our best. Watch it again after you know the result and where you can be more objective then you can see that certain players like Carrick and Nani played a lot better than you would think looking at the matchday thread.
He put on around 4/5 super chances that's all you can really ask. He worked hard, linked up well etc. If people can point out some flair players in comparison that play to a constant high level/ don't frustrate at times, I'd be surprised.
Fair enough. I politely disagree. I've said it before...interesting how people see things in the course of the same match differently.
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