Disappointing? In what way? Do you/they think with his ability he could do more? If so that's understandable. Or is he disappointing compared to other top players in his position? If so I think that's very harsh as his output is at least comparable with other top players.
Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances
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Typical response this. My opinion is as valid as an other. Thanks for relying...well done.
Dunno..just disappointing. Best way to put it is when he gets the ball I'm not expecting an end result, with Valencia I expect something.
Well I suppose that's true to an extent, with Valencia you know what you're gonna get he has that reliability but then on the other hand you know if that doesn't work for him/us then he's not going to give you that much more. With Nani he definitely has a bit of the unknown about him but that also gives him an edge as he has more that he can do and so it makes him harder to nullify. The trade off is of course that he will get it wrong sometimes. I suppose it's like how Giggs and Beckham were a great combo. You had the reliability of Becks and the flair of Giggs. I think that's the ideal combo. Two reliable but prediable players could get nullified, 2 flair players could just get it continually wrong, 1 of each and you're covered.
I dunno I think at the moment because frustration is so linked to Nani from his past and pundits etc it's always in people's minds, so very easy to identify and perhaps make a bigger deal off. But then at the same time I can appreciate that at times he does frustrate but I just don't think it's any more so than most other players of his type.
Disappointing really is a terrible word to use, mungy. Frustrating, inconsistent etc., I'd have agreed with but definitely not disappointing. Hes one of the best wingers in the league & possibly the world.
Unless you meant in the sense that you expected much more from Nani (like Ronaldo-esque productivity), then I'd understand but then again, I'd also tell you that you're expectations are too high.
Orton is a bit clueless, he actually doesn't watch the games.
Went off on one for saying Nani needs to cut down on his shots, before he informed us he only had 3 shots all game.. when in fact he had 8.
Didn't he say he averaged 3 shots a game overall? I might be wrong.
Wow, since you and your mates agree about it, it obviously has to be true.
Nani wouldn't get half the stick he gets if it wasn't for his Portuguese roots.
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Fair enough.
It's definitely not a issue with his nationality, that's just silly.
I find Nani frustrating because we all know the huge, huge potential he has. If he could consistently deliver the quality that we have seen sporadically throughout his career then he would be one of the best players in the World.
Nani is someone that seems to suffer through lack of confidence which, oddly, seems to manifest itself as a cockiness or over-confidence and causes him to over complicate things. His penalty seemed a decent example where he tried to psyche out the keeper when he would ordinarily have no issue with stroking the ball into the top corner.
I hope he plays on Sunday because him, RVP and Kagawa could be sensational if/when they click.
Nani is someone that seems to suffer through lack of confidence which, oddly, seems to manifest itself as a cockiness or over-confidence and causes him to over complicate things. His penalty seemed a decent example where he tried to psyche out the keeper when he would ordinarily have no issue with stroking the ball into the top corner.
I hope he plays on Sunday because him, RVP and Kagawa could be sensational if/when they click.
Think he's referring to Ronaldo comparisons.
If naniis consistent, he is fecking maradona
Seriously, we expect too much of our players at times.
Seriously, we expect too much of our players at times.
Did you see Valencia's crossing on Wednesday? How can you get so frustrated with Nani who created lots of chances but be okay with Valencia's abysmal crossing.
Personally, and I could be wrong because I don't know you, but I think it's a bias thing. It happens often that we see one player we don't really like or have formed an image about do one bad thing and we're like "typical of him", whereas another who we think positively about fecks up numerous crosses and we don't really have a reaction because it's forgiven without a thought. This is quite common in most fans in their treatment of different players.
Seen a lot of people bring up Valencia's crossing on Wednesday but to be fair to Valencia this was hopefully a one of game as his crossing is usually of a high standard. Ps I'm not knocking Nani as I'm a fan but just wanted to put it out there regarding Valencia.
I think Nani's probably our most exciting player when on form. And after a horrific showing vs Everton, he seemed to be a bit better in the Wigan-match,and I thought he was quite good vs Gala.
So instead of focusing on him wasting a couple of passes, why not focus on the fact that it seems like we're getting one of our best players close to top form as the season starts to get going? We're only a few games in, guys!
So instead of focusing on him wasting a couple of passes, why not focus on the fact that it seems like we're getting one of our best players close to top form as the season starts to get going? We're only a few games in, guys!
How many attackers in the side do you rate higher?
Nani could easily have had five assists the other night if Van Persie and Hernandez hadn't been so completely off their game. This place is weird.
To anyone who is dissapointed with Nani....two words.....Ralphe Milne.....be grateful, it could be much Much worse.
2010-2011 PPOTY
2011-2012 Starts in superb form, great goals v Arsenal, Chelsea, Wigan, Stoke. Tails off around December time. Gets injured in Jan which keeps him out for a few weeks. Misses all of March through injury and in his second start on his return has a poor game v City, which so did everyone else that day. Rested for remainder of season. To sum up season: great start, second half of season affected/ruined by niggly injuries.
Euro 2012: Nani back on form
2012-2013 Poor game v Everton, dropped. Last 2 games very good again, look productive. So far, 1 poor game followed by 2 good.
Fickle fickle football.
2011-2012 Starts in superb form, great goals v Arsenal, Chelsea, Wigan, Stoke. Tails off around December time. Gets injured in Jan which keeps him out for a few weeks. Misses all of March through injury and in his second start on his return has a poor game v City, which so did everyone else that day. Rested for remainder of season. To sum up season: great start, second half of season affected/ruined by niggly injuries.
Euro 2012: Nani back on form
2012-2013 Poor game v Everton, dropped. Last 2 games very good again, look productive. So far, 1 poor game followed by 2 good.
Fickle fickle football.
One final thing on the matter....
Nani has played just 14 games for United in 2012, even the most blinkered of Nani-detractors will admit that for 18 months before then he was superb, and that's why he deservedly won that PPOTY award.
So 14 games, and he's played well in the last 2, creating chances too. So that takes it down to just 12 games (blighted by injury too), and I'm certain he played well in some of those as well. It's madness how quickly some fans forget after just a handful of sub-standard performances. 18 months of great work, ruined in the eyes of some fans because of maybe 8-9 poor games.
If that doesn't open your eyes, I don't know what will.
Nani has played just 14 games for United in 2012, even the most blinkered of Nani-detractors will admit that for 18 months before then he was superb, and that's why he deservedly won that PPOTY award.
So 14 games, and he's played well in the last 2, creating chances too. So that takes it down to just 12 games (blighted by injury too), and I'm certain he played well in some of those as well. It's madness how quickly some fans forget after just a handful of sub-standard performances. 18 months of great work, ruined in the eyes of some fans because of maybe 8-9 poor games.
If that doesn't open your eyes, I don't know what will.
The problem with Nani is that he can do wonderful things with a ball, he gets goals and assists but he also makes glaring errors.
Its frustrating to see him try to pass through opposition players (I assume he sees the pass he wants to play and zones in on it, ignoring the fact an opponent is stood in the way), and its infuriating when he does stupid things like mess up a stutter step penalty. (or since we are playing Liverpool tomorrow, remember when he headed the ball back into the danger area for them to score?).
He played well overall, but had 4-5 of the "oh FFS Nani" moments. Some people let it go and focus on what he did well.. other hold it against him.
fecking hell!
Most attacking players do make errors. Not the first person to miss a penalty as well in such fashion. And in fact he is a very good takers and have rarely seen him take such a penalty.
And what glaring errors? Puts the ball his own net every match?
The difference between people's reaction to others players making errors and Nani's is massive by United fans. Nani is not allowed to any mistakes at all. None at all.
fecking hell!
Most attacking players do make errors. Not the first person to miss a penalty as well in such fashion. And in fact he is a very good takers and have rarely seen him take such a penalty.
And what glaring errors? Puts the ball his own net every match?
The difference between people's reaction to others players making errors and Nani's is massive by United fans. Nani is not allowed to any mistakes at all. None at all.
Sure, he's allowed to make mistakes.. every player does. When Nani gives the ball away it's usually one of two things. Either he is trying to be too clever and messes up- frustrating to watch but it's the price of trying something special, or he derps out and passes without any awareness of where the defenders are and gets easily cut out.
The latter is pathetic for a player with his amount of talent, its very understandable why some fans look at such basic errors and in a game where he didn't get any goals/ assists say he was bad. They are wrong, in my opinion. He was fairly productive and had a few great touches, but I agree he is a very frustrating player.
I think you've made a couple of very good points is this thread to be fair. I only disagree with the bolded part, he's frustrating to some, obviously, but many don't get frustrated by that. Me personally, I'd much prefer to see Nani trying to do something than watching Valencia on one of his off days or a day when the full back has the best of him, watching a winger just cut back continuously and playing back to the right back or CM is frustrating to me. On an off-day I'm pretty certain that Valencia is going to do absolutely nothing.
It's all personal preference I guess.
Sure, he's allowed to make mistakes.. every player does. When Nani gives the ball away it's usually one of two things. Either he is trying to be too clever and messes up- frustrating to watch but it's the price of trying something special, or he derps out and passes without any awareness of where the defenders are and gets easily cut out.
The latter is pathetic for a player with his amount of talent, its very understandable why some fans look at such basic errors and in a game where he didn't get any goals/ assists say he was bad. They are wrong, in my opinion. He was fairly productive and had a few great touches, but I agree he is a very frustrating player.
Whatever you said can also be pretty much be said word for word for Giggsy and that's even when he was in his prime. That doesn't stop our fans getting behind him and supporting him though but the amount of stick Nani gets from our own fans is sometime ridiculous. I mean even Alan Smith used to be better loved by fans than Nani is.
Thats a fair point. Nani is a player who can be awful all game and win it for you with a moment of brilliance.
He'd probably be my first choice right winger for the majority of games when Kagawa and Van Persie are up front. (Val being preferred when you need defensive support down the right flank) Valencia would be my choice with Rooney and Van Persie.
It'll take only a cracking game to change a lot of opinions.I think he's a great player who can be irritating to watch at times, you just have to accept his bad with his good moments.
Yeah, its true that Giggs could be frustrating and in fairness he did get a bit of stick for it.
I think its a combination of Giggs being brought through the academy (and brought up in the area), being a hard worker, the team he was playing in playing exciting football/ the fans being entertained as well as the team being successful, and the fact he fits in with our cultural expectations of a winger (Chalk on boots, rapid, direct, getting crosses in etc) that got him some slack. Not to mention being a great player.
He had many cracking games in the past and while some people shut up for a while, as soon as Valencia got into form last season and Nani had a few off games they were back again saying they knew it all along. Nani will always have this stigma, his talent and ability are undenyable when he's doing well, if someone has a go at him they're wheeled off to the loony bin. But these people are just biding time till Nani has a dip in form and they can slate him again.
Obviously some people genuinely didnt believe in Nani before, then he had a great 18 months and changed some opinions and some people honestly had a change of heart and wont doubt him again. But there are another set of people who just dont like him and even if he won the ballon d'or, if the next season he hit a poorer spell they'd be back here having a go at him.
Every time a Manchester United player has a bad game, post match and that player's thread is bombarded with people moaning about how frustrating he is and how he's always been this frustrating. Only till the next week when he has a great game and people have suddenly changed their opinions on how he's the best winger in the league or top 3 attacking players in the world atm and then he goes back into a slump of form and they go back square one. Some of you work on a short-term memory basis. It is moments like these that makes me want the next league match to happen asap just so that the players can put these doubters to rest. Cynical bunch really.
That means nothing since when you go the game you hear utter bollocks getting spouted by people all the time
Eh?
It's my opinion and that of a few friends...so in my opinion it's not utter bollocks.
Eh?
It's my opinion and that of a few friends...so in my opinion it's not utter bollocks.
I hadn't noticed the part you had bolded sorry so I took your post out of context
Expect a lot of people to ride his dick today after he wins us the game
feeling very optimistic
feeling very optimistic
Talented player, never been huge fan of him, too discontinue.
Awful today
No worse than any of our other attackers/Giggs in that first half.
He was absolutely rubbish but as Ash said, every single one of our attackers was, difference is that he'd be more likely to create something despite his shitness than some of the others. Baffles me how he went off and a 38 year old Giggs stayed on.
No doubt he'll get a shitload of stick after the match where as Kagawa, RVP and Valencia will get a "sure it was just an off day, never mind."
No doubt he'll get a shitload of stick after the match where as Kagawa, RVP and Valencia will get a "sure it was just an off day, never mind."
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