At least Valencia is compensating his deficiencies with fighting spirit and hard work (see the penalty he earned).Nani on the other hand ....He seems to think he's too good
Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances
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At least Valencia is compensating his deficiencies with fighting spirit and hard work (see the penalty he earned).Nani on the other hand ....He seems to think he's too good
Poor enough game but I actually thought Giggs was worse. Nani pulled out a couple of tackles, perhaps showing a lack of commitment, and that is maybe why he was the one subbed.
Nani was woeful today.
No fecking question about that.
But was not the only one.
No fecking question about that.
But was not the only one.
Yet Nani midweek played a damn sight better than Valencia (who offered nothing at all). So basically, they're both as shit as one another atm. The difference is that Nani gets called up on him playing badly while Valencia gets the easy treatment (note how his thread wasn't bumped midweek).
Oh such is the life of a fan favorite.
Although it's speculation, if it is true that we were trying to offload him during the window then perhaps it's not a surprise the confidence would be low? I don't think there was a lack of effort. He's just the type of player who tries things. When they don't come off they can look lazy or flash. I'd be more of the view that he's struggling for confidence and doesn't look convincing as a result.
He was poor but so was just about everyone else in that first half. the bottom line is the club needs to sort his future out and get his head on right as he's clearly lacking confidence.
We could do with getting Young fit. Neither Nani nor Valencia are in the best of form, another option would be ideal at the moment.
He does look like he can't be arsed at times. Has his contract been sorted out yet?
Why would Fergie even pick him if that is the case for such an important game.
He is going through a bad form, no doubt.
One thing imo that he is lacking at the moment is confidence or something that this whole current squad lacks sometimes.
Now this seems more likely to be the case. If his head truly wasn't in it because he's about to be sold, we wouldn't continue to start him.
Nani will always get more stick than other members of the team who are equally as guilty for being a bit crap. I reckon most united fans realise just how talented he is, what ability he has, and therefore there is so much more expectation for him to excite and change games.
with giggs, its more a case of being a bit pissed off with him, but not wanting to be too rude to old people...
with giggs, its more a case of being a bit pissed off with him, but not wanting to be too rude to old people...
Maybe Valencia is getting less stick because although he was poor, his burst won us the penalty. And he worked well defensively. Valencia was getting some stick also.
I'd go with this.
Let's not forget that (bar the shit penalty) he was our best player midweek and was constantly on the ball. I don't think he intentionally does anything lazy or half arsed.
I can't believe anyone would accuse our players of not trying. You can try your balls off and still be off the pace.
Why would Fergie even pick him if that is the case for such an important game.
He is going through a bad form, no doubt.
One thing imo that he is lacking at the moment is confidence or something that this whole current squad lacks sometimes.
There is lacking confidence and there is actually "really" trying.Nani doesn't seem to be as motivated as well as he can be even if his performance could be bad.
You're sort of talking nonsense here really.
I think there were times in Ronaldo's last season when he certainly wasn't exerting himself unduly. But yeah, I agree as a general rule. Plus foreign players aren't often as blood and guts as the English lads. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I understand myself, it's good enough for me.
I only saw the 2nd half and Scholes was by far our best player which is sad really that we have to rely on someone his age.
You missed my point then. I'm saying that Valencia was very poor midweek (which he was) and yet he wasn't discussed at all after the game (which he wasn't).
None of our wingers have played well this season. Which in itself is very worrying when you consider how terrible our CM's have been. Yet Nani seems to get singled out after every game. Typical on here at times, caftards love a good scapegoat.
The match day threads are filled with nothing but stick for most of the players, including Valencia. I think Valencia will generally get less stick than others because of the fact that he is one of the hardest working players in the squad, if not the hardest working. He will get stick, but I think it's hard to dislike a player who always and clearly gives everything he has, even when playing poorly.
Yeah our wingers and midfielders in general have been poor. How we have 4 wins out of 5 in the league I do not know.
In relation to Nani, he probably gets too much stick from people that don't like him that much. Likewise, some of the love for him is equally as outrageous. The people who really like him seem deliberately miss the poor aspects of his play. It goes both ways and he will always be a player who will divide opinion.
HORRIBLE today. Nani, what's wrong?
That's not true, lots of people who "like" him, including myself, quickly acknowledged that he was crap today.
It's another example of someone having an issue with the fact that there are posters on here that are fans of him.
I agree whole heartedly that he was poor but I disagree that he was shocking or by far our worst player or anything like that. The entire attacking line was poor in that first half, equally poor imo. Nani seems to get judged far more harshly that others.
Who has an issue with any poster favouring any particular player?
Agree with that, no motivation from him. As ridiculous as this might sound, he doesn't look like or play like he wants to win a game. Just going through the motion, lost somewhere bar that second half at Gala after the missed penalty.
Quite a few people, look back in this thread, Top brought it up originally as I recall.
Yep, Top said it about me, despite me saying on ability he should be in our first 11, is really talented but ultimately frustrating, which is what NC is saying, any criticism is met with a shitstorm.
Every fan had certain favourite players. I can't imagine anyone having an issue with someone having Nani, or anybody, as one of their favourite players.
I'm not reading through the whole thread to see though!
I was away all last week moses so I didn't see much of that, but I disagree with the last point, he is criticised ridiculously on here at times so naturally people will respond and defend him.
Take Wednesday for example, Nani was our best player and Valencia was probably close to being our worst but nobody said a thing in his thread, and Nani still got a shitload of stick after the match. There are loads of agenda posters when it comes to him, I can't imagine you being one of them though.
Take Wednesday for example, Nani was our best player and Valencia was probably close to being our worst but nobody said a thing in his thread, and Nani still got a shitload of stick after the match. There are loads of agenda posters when it comes to him, I can't imagine you being one of them though.
I can only remember him retaining possession one time, so that's pretty good I guess.
Exactly. It goes both ways. If anyone criticizes him, some posters go over the top defending him or trying to. Likewise, when he gets praised, others will go over the top to criticize him.
OK, there are people that do that, but you were quoting Top, and I was putting it in context. Also like I was saying to someone else in this thread, some people are so wrong it's not worth arguing with them or the whole conversation gets skewed, and absurdly polarised.
Fair enough, I wasn't referring to you though, there is another .. Coach who regularly comes into this thread and seems to flat out dislike Nani.
Surely you can see the difference in the uproar in the Nani threads after poor performances in comparison to the likes of Valencia's though, no?
To be fair to Nani, he only got 45 minutes, and it was the 45 minutes where all of our 5 most attacking players were woeful.
If he had been on in the 2nd time when they had 10 men, he would have improved at the same rate as the rest of the team did.
If he had been on in the 2nd time when they had 10 men, he would have improved at the same rate as the rest of the team did.
Totally. At the risk of sparking a new debate it could be because Valencia is such an understated bloke. Even today, that peno we got would be scrutinised much more were it Nani that was 'fouled'.
Is it really beyond dispute that Nani doesnt want to be at United anymore?
There's a double standard of sorts there, alright. But there's obviously a reason for it, whether that's down to past performances or just the fans' approach to players who are very 'blood and guts'.
The fans love a trier?
If he didn't want to be here then I'm sure Fergie would have picked up on it in training etc and left him out. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Nani he's still one of the best wingers around and so we would hardly need to advertise him. Confidence issues maybe but I don't think he has an attitude problem.
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