Shinji Kagawa

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Seems to fade in games, Time will help I suppose.

Most Importantly -
Not read back but have you seen his girlfriend?

I seriously suggest all heterosexual males google her.
 
Seems to fade in games, Time will help I suppose.

Most Importantly -
Not read back but have you seen his girlfriend?

I seriously suggest all heterosexual males google her.

If you're on about who I think you're on about, she isn't his girlfriend.
 
He'll be fine...he's already demonstrated he can assist, score and adapt to how we play. It's just doing it consistently for 90 minutes that the issue. That will no doubt come in time as he gets used to the language, the players and the culture of english football.
 
I thought he was good when we were good, after we went 2-0 up we sat back and didn't really utilise Kagawa's ability on the ball. Before that he look very bright. I think he's still got to adapt to the physicality of this league but he's got a lot about him and he'll be a big player for us.
 
Our current style of play really prevents him from playing to his potential. He's been restricted to making short passes, mostly backwards rather than being used to carry the ball into attacking positions, where he excels.

You can see at times during games where he's in space, back to goal, in between two defenders with his hands down almost begging for the ball, one which he would have received at Dortmund - but we never play it to him.

Against Newcastle, instead of making forward runs for him to pick out, or making runs to take a defender away from him, most of the time, his only option when is to bounce the ball backwards.

When you have players like Cleverley (who despite his talents, spends most of his time passing the ball backwards), Giggsy, Scholesy and Rooney all of whom like to be the playmaker, its going to be hard to see them letting someone else do their jobs anytime soon.
 
It really is a simple as Kagawa being played in the wrong position. I don't see why Fergie won't play him in the hole. After all, he already sacrificed width yesterday and I have no problem with that because we really ought to mature and leave 4-4-2 behind.
Rooney was brilliant but don't really know what his instructions were yesterday.
I heard diamond formation mentioned yesterday but I wouldn't say Rooney was up front OR at the top of the diamond.
Anyway, we can still play RVP and Rooney up top, Kagawa in the hole, and a narrow 3 behind. I mean, for heavens sake, it's not like the fullbacks can't provide width, is it?
Just think it's a waste of a creative talent playing Kagawa out wide.
 
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That would be one hell of a christmas tree formation :drool:
 
Santi Cazorla - 7 games, 2 goals, 2 assists.
Shinji Kagawa - 6 games, 2 goals, 1 assist.

Not much difference there, and while I know Cazorla has made more influence at Arsenal, Kagawa has hardly played poorly. Once he gets fully integrated, the players begin to understand him more and we actually pass the ball to him, he'll be a very good player for us.
 
It'll take some time for him to get used to the physicality, just like it took someone like David silva almost a ful, season before he started really being a class player. He's already shown his quality in patches, but I think his best position for us will be on the left wing drifting inside, while we have an actual winger on the other side. I think he'll be really good for us in Europe though, will help us a lot in those tough away matches.
 
Manchester United's Shinji Kagawa has revealed that Sir Alex Ferguson's advice to him is "face the goal or you won't be a threat," as he attempts to impose himself on the Premier League. Kagawa has scored twice for United in seven starts, though Ferguson clearly feels he must develop a direct style to find the net more, just as the manager did when telling Antonio Valencia he should shoot more often, after he brought a poor goalscoring record to Old Trafford in the summer of 2009.

Ferguson last week said of the 23-year-old that "you always try and improve your players; that's our job as coaches and hopefully we can improve Kagawa" and the midfielder's discussion with Japanese journalists reveals the basic advice. The message has been "don't face the goal with your back, but move your body so you have a short way to the goal. Shape your body so you are facing the stands," Kagawa said. "I have to face the goal or I won't be a threat."

The huge throng of Japanese journalists who are following Kagawa on the journey which has taken him from J-League side Cerezo Osaka to Old Trafford, via Borussia Dortmund, are baffled as to how the player will have been able to achieve such communication with the Glaswegian.

The player admitted in July his English would require some working on and his study of the language was more limited than most fellow 15- to 18-year-olds during his senior high school days at Sendai on Japan's Miyagi prefecture. During that time Kagawa was deeply preoccupied with football while he studied for a back-up career option in the construction industry.

Though the 5ft 7½in Kagawa looked at times physically challenged in United's 3-0 win at Newcastle on Sunday, there were more flashes of the creativity and he hinted at his potential to become a major Champions League performer in the first half of United's 1-0 over Galatasaray last month.

Kagawa has expressed disappointment at not translating that Old Trafford performance into a first European goal for his new club, but saw a substantial difference between his current and previous club in how, despite an unconvincing display, United beat the Turkish team. "Dortmund would have lost that match," he said. "I think that winning a game [that] way is characteristic of a big club. The level of experience [at United] is very high and that means that the team is not in a hurry to win. That's the main difference with Dortmund."

The physical toll of the Premier League has already revealed itself in a back injury and Kagawa said, "I've realised that I need to limber up and strengthen my body trunk."

Having grown up in Kobe, Japan's fifth city, he moved to Sendai, 12 hours driving distance to the north, because of the presence of FC Miyagi Barcelona – a club with no formal links to the Catalans but with plans to develop a similar style. His five-years at the junior Miyagi club seems to have created a fervent desire to play at the Nou Camp in the future.

The impression Kagawa made on the Bundesliga after his 350,000 euro (£294,000) arrival from Cereza Osaka in August 2010 was instantaneous. "The boy plays like an angel," said his then team-mate Nuri Sahin, now at Liverpool, after a Europa League match.

Ferguson, feels the adaptation here will be more challenging for the player. "We're very pleased with Shinji," he said. "Adapting to English football isn't easy but bit by bit he's getting down to that part."

Interesting interview with Kagawa.
 
understandable advice from Sir Alex. At his physical levels, he wont be much of a threat with his back towards the goal.

Interesting how he thinks Dortmund would have lost the game to Galatasaray. I reckon they'd have played galatasaray off the park :p
 
It's an issue with confidence obviously. He's good enough to turn into space and face the goal, but he's just not doing it enough. It will come. The goal against Spurs was an excellent example.

The problem with him is fitting him in properly. He won't play in his favoured position as long as we insist on playing the diamond formation. And he won't play as a central player with the form of Rooney and van Persie.
 
understandable advice from Sir Alex. At his physical levels, he wont be much of a threat with his back towards the goal.

Interesting how he thinks Dortmund would have lost the game to Galatasaray. I reckon they'd have played galatasaray off the park :p

He is saying that in the situation, playing as badly as United did, Dortmund would have lost the game.
 
understandable advice from Sir Alex. At his physical levels, he wont be much of a threat with his back towards the goal.

Interesting how he thinks Dortmund would have lost the game to Galatasaray. I reckon they'd have played galatasaray off the park :p

While they might have played Galatasaray off the park, they might not be as clinical as we are in taking chances, just like their match against City. Only one team should have left the stadium with points and instead City got lucky as Dortmund wasted many chances to kill the game off.
 
He is saying that in the situation, playing as badly as United did, Dortmund would have lost the game.

I know mate, i got what he meant. Was just messing around, hence the smiley.

While they might have played Galatasaray off the park, they might not be as clinical as we are in taking chances, just like their match against City. Only one team should have left the stadium with points and instead City got lucky as Dortmund wasted many chances to kill the game off.

He meant what forevergiggs above said. We werent great that night, had dortmund played as poorly, they wouldnt have come out with the win.
 
I haven't been overly impressed. He does seem to be rather invisible at times. Still I'm sure he'll eventually come into his own
 
Easy to forget he is only a few months older than Cleverley and playing in a completely different league to what he is used to.
 
Need to give him time to fully settle in but looks a quality player from what I've seen.

Also I think you might need to tweak your game a bit more as your lot always tend to play the ball out wide and I think he will do most of his damage in more central positions.
 
Need to give him time to fully settle in but looks a quality player from what I've seen.

Also I think you might need to tweak your game a bit more as your lot always tend to play the ball out wide and I think he will do most of his damage in more central positions.

Hence our diamond experiment lately, perhaps.
 
I haven't been overly impressed. He does seem to be rather invisible at times. Still I'm sure he'll eventually come into his own

I think its down to confidence. Once he creates a few more goals, he will demand the ball a lot more, and quite evidently he has bags of ability to rip teams to shreads.
 
It's an issue with confidence obviously. He's good enough to turn into space and face the goal, but he's just not doing it enough. It will come. The goal against Spurs was an excellent example.

The problem with him is fitting him in properly. He won't play in his favoured position as long as we insist on playing the diamond formation. And he won't play as a central player with the form of Rooney and van Persie.

I wouldn't say that's necessarily true with the diamond formation. If anything, the formation will suit him more. He just needs to be operating further up the pitch instead of playing on the right of the midfield.
 
For him to play at his best he'd have to play centrally but unfortunately for him Rooney is just in great form right now.It's not easy to accommodate Rooney, Kagawa and RVP and getting the best out of them all
 
For him to play at his best he'd have to play centrally but unfortunately for him Rooney is just in great form right now.It's not easy to accommodate Rooney, Kagawa and RVP and getting the best out of them all

Well it would require him dropping Welbeck and Hernandez and play Rooney + RvP in front of Kagawa.

I still think we should give this a try but somehow SAF atm seems dead set on playing Rooney behind the striker/s.
 
For him to play at his best he'd have to play centrally but unfortunately for him Rooney is just in great form right now.It's not easy to accommodate Rooney, Kagawa and RVP and getting the best out of them all

I think when Carrick and Scholes play it creates a genuine problem with his style. The deeper players are more immobile and are hardly moving the ball to create space for him, rather upping the range to which they fire the ball to him and creating more pressure to receive and play out wide. If the deeper midfielders are more pushed up and more mobile they can contribute in a full 360 degree circle and center the attack.

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^ Yup. I'd agree. I think that's why it's important to have either Anderson or Cleverley starting. Both of them get up and down more than either Carrick or Scholes.

This is another reason why I think he should be played from the left. There's naturally more space out there.
 
Role of the new No. 10 in the Premier League

In Italy, they refer to him as the trequartista. In Argentina, he's the enganche. In England … we don't really have a name for him.

English football terminology has never quite come up with a definitive word for the player who occupies space between the opposition lines of defence and midfield – not quite a forward, not quite a midfielder. He's "the man in the hole," perhaps, but it's not an appropriately glamorous term for the side's star creator. Sometimes he's even referred to as playing "the Teddy Sheringham role" -- so unaccustomed we were to players who looked for space rather than basing their game around an individual battle with an opponent.

England isn't a specialist at producing top-quality players in this mould. Wayne Rooney might be the closest we've had in recent years, but even his best position is up for question. He was often fielded on the flank during Manchester United's successful European Cup run in 2008, then his best individual season was probably in 2009-10 as an out-and-out striker. Joe Cole became a winger, while attacking midfielders like Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard and even Jack Wilshere were just that – attacking midfielders, number eights rather than number tens.

In formation terms, too, English football hasn't suited this kind of player. England was largely a 4-4-2 nation until recently, and this gave way to 4-3-3, inspired by Jose Mourinho's success with Chelsea. Neither formation suited a number ten. There's never been a 4-3-1-2 craze in English football, unlike in Italy or South America, never a romantic fixation with the archetypal playmaker.

All of which makes this summer's new arrivals particularly intriguing. Four top clubs – Arsenal, Manchester United, Chelsea and Tottenham – all splashed out on new number tens – even if none actually wear that shirt number. Santi Cazorla, Shinji Kagawa, Oscar and Gylfi Sigurdsson all represent a significant change in footballing philosophy. Arsenal didn't have a central creator like Cazorla last season, Manchester United have arguably never had a player in the Kagawa mould. Oscar wouldn't have suited Andre Villas-Boas' 4-3-3, while Gylfi Sigurdsson isn't quite the same as Rafael van der Vaart. Some have adapted quicker than others.

It's worth considering quite why there's been a sudden influx of these central creators. Certainly, there appears to be a shift towards a 4-2-3-1 formation this season – which wasn't exactly unknown in the Premier League in recent seasons, but was less prevalent than in Spain or Germany.

While it's dangerous to talk about systems as a whole, the 4-2-3-1 is a good bet for modern football. It offers width yet provides three central midfielders; it means a side isn't vulnerable to space between the lines yet can feature solid partnerships across the side, which is one of the few strengths of the 4-4-2. It allows one holding midfielder to track an opponent while the other covers space in front of the back four. And, perhaps most positively, it allows a defined number ten to play in an unrestricted central position.

Each new signing has their nuances and has settled in different ways. Of the aforementioned players, it is Oscar who is the most unique. He's not a stereotypical Brazilian number ten – he's quicker and more efficient with his movements; he's a busy player who scurries across the pitch frantically.

Sigurdsson's a slightly different case in that he's experienced English football before. He's a more direct, forceful player than the others – maybe more focused upon his goal-scoring threat than his creative threat. He's played a couple of good passes in a Tottenham shirt – most notably an excellent through-ball for Aaron Lennon that led to Jermain Defoe's opener against Reading – but overall his creative ability has been minimal, and he's been dropped for Tottenham's past couple of league games, with Clint Dempsey starting against Manchester United and Aston Villa, picking up a goal and an assist.

It's Cazorla and Kagawa who offer the most intriguing creative threats, but so far the former has outperformed the latter considerably. They are inherently different players, but Cazorla appears to suit Arsenal much more than Kagawa suits United at this early stage. The Spaniard may offer Arsenal something different in terms of position, but he's a typical Arsenal player. He's about short, neat passing, and his influence upon the side so far is undoubted. Scheming between the lines, his performance against West Ham on Saturday was remarkable -- yet what we've come to expect. We're becoming used to Spanish playmakers settling in well in English football. It's been David Silva and Juan Mata in the previous two seasons, but the difference about Cazorla is that he's thriving at the heart of the Arsenal team rather than drifting in from the flank.

It was in stark contrast to Kagawa's performance for Manchester United the next day – as Sir Alex Ferguson continued with a diamond formation, the Japanese playmaker was shunted out to the right of a narrow midfield. United won the game at a canter, but it was Rooney roaming between the lines in the position Kagawa expected to make his own. The former Dortmund player was somewhat peripheral in the match, and then when United came under heavy pressure late on and Ferguson needed defensive cover from wide on the right, Kagawa was the obvious choice to make way for Antonio Valencia.

Kagawa's problem is that United aren't playing the ball to him in the right fashion; Cazorla is a player who wants the ball played into feet, while Kagawa wants the ball on the run. Dortmund were a transition-based side that played the ball forward quickly, and United are yet to get into that mindset. They traditionally retain possession, put pressure upon the opposition and combine diagonal balls to the flanks with crosses into the box. So we shouldn't be surprised that Kagawa is yet to sparkle.

The experiences of Cazorla and Kagawa so far demonstrate both the benefit and the difficulty of integrating a new number ten into the side. When it works, they're the key player, dictate the tempo of the game and provide goal-scoring chances for teammates. When it doesn't, it's hard for a manager to persist with a misfiring player at the heart of his side, as everything falls down around him.

In the long run, however, when given the chance to integrate fully into the side, this new breed of creators will become among the most important players in the league – the Premier League is a better place because of their arrival.


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Along with other things the article above gives a good assessment on Kagawa.
 
Santi Cazorla - 7 games, 2 goals, 2 assists.
Shinji Kagawa - 6 games, 2 goals, 1 assist.

Not much difference there, and while I know Cazorla has made more influence at Arsenal, Kagawa has hardly played poorly. Once he gets fully integrated, the players begin to understand him more and we actually pass the ball to him, he'll be a very good player for us.

Lampard had better stats than Zidane, Xavi and Iniesta combined.
 
He needs time. Don't forget that he's also four years younger than Cazorla, and is a pretty different player, despite playing the same position.
 
Kagawa was played in an unfamiliar position at the Toon and wasn't at his best, but did he stop trying ? no, good team ethic, his time will come as he adjusts to life and the ruggedness of our League over here, at least the learning curve won't be too extreme for him, as the Bundesliga is quite tough too.
 
Kagawa was played in an unfamiliar position at the Toon and wasn't at his best, but did he stop trying ? no, good team ethic, his time will come as he adjusts to life and the ruggedness of our League over here, at least the learning curve won't be too extreme for him, as the Bundesliga is quite tough too.

Well it's tough from a competition stand point and the pace is about the same as in the PL, especially if you play for Dortmund, but players like Kagawa get a lot more protection in most continental leagues, so he has to deal with the fact that a lot of the things that would have been a foul against him in Germany isn't going to be called anymore.

But I agree his work ethic and attitude is what will make him pull through this tough patch and adept to the way things are done in the PL, might take him a while but I'm confident he will get there.
 
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