Shinji Kagawa
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My bad.
Keep forgetting about this little diamond.
Yep, it would be great to have him on the left wing at the moment.
I wonder how he is going to fit back in the team. Clearly very talented but we have yet to find his best position.
When is he coming back?
He needs to be tried wide left, Rooney is too good in the hole to be sacrificed there.
Chich has earned his place as well though, so feck noes how Ferguson will fit them all in. Pretty much impossible.
Chich has earned his place as well though, so feck noes how Ferguson will fit them all in. Pretty much impossible.
That could do a brilliant job in Europe, IMO.
Yeahh that could work.
A 4-2-3-1 like Chelsea are playing now and City played last year, with RVP, Rooney, Kagawa behind Chich - similar to Oscar/Mata/Hazard behind Torres.
Couldn't play Clev and Ando though, we would need Carrick to sit at least.
A 4-2-3-1 like Chelsea are playing now and City played last year, with RVP, Rooney, Kagawa behind Chich - similar to Oscar/Mata/Hazard behind Torres.
Couldn't play Clev and Ando though, we would need Carrick to sit at least.
Think of the triangles!!
That is the worst formation ever.
He's just drawn it a bit wierd, feck all wrong with it.
True that
That team will leak more goals than the Titanic leaks water. But worries not eh, we've got a su'er attack to compensate for it all.
We'd have to score 5 instead of 3 in every game.
City played the same way last year and they conceeded the least goals in the league. Chelsea are playing it now and have likewise conceeded the least.
Plus one of City's CM's was Yaya who isn't disciplined defensively. If we swapped Carrick for one of Clev/Anderson I don't think it would be a huge issue.
Midfield would get hammered, there's no-one even approaching a defensive midfielder in there. Playing like we did against Newcastle could work.
It's the players in the system, not the system that would be the problem. It's too gung ho. Throwing Carrick in there wouldn't it make defensively sound, it'd be the same as what we're playing now minus tracking back from wingers.
They never played like that. As you said, they had barry and yaya toure who are much much better defensivly than Ando and Clev, and they had midfielders on the wings cutting inside(silva and nasri), who were regulary tracking back., while in that formation we have striker on the left side, and attacking midfielder(or support striker) on the right.
It's like something I'd try on fifa. Is that where you came up with it?
How is,
------Yaya---Barry----
--Silva--Aguero--Balotelli
--------Dzeko------
Any more solid than,
-------Carrick--Anderson-----
--Kagawa--Rooney--Van Persie---
---------Hernandez-----
feck all difference.
Just play 3-5-2 on Fifa
----Carrick---- Ando---
Tony---Kagawa---Nani
-----RVP-----Rooney---
I don't think they ever played like that, and even if they did, they played two or three games maximum with those players.
This will be tried this season.
Laugh not, cause I also predicted the Newcastle away line-up before the seaon and got laughed at.
They played like that all the time ffs.
Or some equal variant of it. Take out Dzeko and stick in Tevez, or Balotelli out and put in Nasri.
Literally the first two line ups I looked at are Napoli and Bayern in the CL, they played
------Yaya---Barry----
--Silva--Aguero--Nasri
--------Dzeko------
I'd say Rooney is better than any of their three defensively, Kagawa is no different to Silva or Nasri and Van Persie and Aguero are both strikers.
Overall I think Kagawa, Rooney and Van Persie are better. Even if not it's a marginal difference at the most.
I'd say Yaya is a bit better defensively than Ando but the main difference would be that City are good at pressing as a team quite high up the pitch, and we generally don't do that.
Besides, my point is that we are currently having a lot of success in attack, but are leaking goals left, right and centre. Switching to a more attacking line-up/formation would be a very odd thing to do.
Yaya is better than Ando but Carrick is better than Barry. We have a far better back line than they do and like I said our three AM's offers more than theirs IMO due to Rooney's workrate.
Going more attacking doesn't mean you are going to leak more goals, football doesn't work like that at all. If you played 10 defenders would you never conceed? Of course you would. It's about the balance of the overall team, you can play more attacking players and as a result control a match without giving away chances, or dominate possession.
It's hardly more attacking than plenty of our formations anyway.
Basically, you can't play Kagawa and three strikers. But that shouldn't really be a problem for any sane person, it's ridiculous to want to field such an unbalanced lineup anyway. If Chico is playing well enough to keep Shinji out, so be it. When his form dips, we'll have a hungry player ready and waiting to step in. That's competition.
With:
Without:
With:
Anderson Carrick Cleverley
Rooney Kagawa
RVP
Rooney Kagawa
RVP
Without:
Anderson Carrick Cleverley
Rooney RVP
Hernandez
Rooney RVP
Hernandez
Exactly.
That's much more defensive first XI than the one you mentioned. Nasri gives them more in possesion, and is much beter defensivly than Balotelli.
And I said I don't like that team because it's unbalanced rather than poor defensivly.
It's still a wildly unsound formation. Yes, attacking players don't always mean a weakened defence. But those attacking players would. Carrick is really the only possession-keeper there. Swap Anderson for Cleverley and it would be a touch less crazy. Cleverley keeps us in possession and in control of a match. Anderson gives it away too much to have that role. We simply wouldn't be able to hold onto the ball.
Yeah, Anderson's 93% pass completion rate is a real liability.
In general terms, football does work like that though. Playing ten defenders doesn't mean you won't concede but you'd be less likely to than if you played ten strikers. Obviously finding a balance is the key and the point is that team has no balance at all. It's just a way of trying to shoehorn RVP, Rooney, Hernandez and Kagawa all in the one team.
Given our wingers are all out of form we may as well change up the system but the so-called diamond is the way to go, with three actual midfielders rather than Rooney or Kagawa pencilled in as part of the central midfield when they don't play like that in reality.
Who is pencilling in Kagawa and Rooney into central midfield? That formation has two midfielders, like City, Bayern, Madrid, Chelsea etc they have all used it.
Rooney and Kagawa both play in that position off the striker, so strange you have picked them as playing in unnatural roles - it's their exact position. The only one possibly out of position is Van Persie, but he used to play as a number 10 anyway and can obviously do it.
It was just an example, like I said they changed it around but have used all their players in that system. Like against us at the end of the season when they brought Tevez back in etc.
But anyway, Nasri/Silva/Aguero isn't more solid than Rooney/Kagawa/Van Persie IMO. Niether is Hazard/Mata/Oscar. Rooney is dropping deeper every season and his best position isn't as a pure striker, he is constantly off the striker in midfield. The only one out of position there is potentially Van persie, but that wasn't a problem for Aguero was it.
I was talking about how I'm always right had it.
Both Kagawa and Van Persie are out of position.
How is Kagawa out of position? He's playing AM/off the striker.
He isn't playing as a winger is that's what you think, that formation doesn't need to use any. The same way Oscar or Mata aren't wingers now, Aguero or Tevez weren't last year. I just happened to write him first so he's positioned on the right. If you watch these teams the idea is constant rotation between the three behind the forward, there isn't a left and right winger.
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