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If, and this is a huge if, Ronaldo decides he's had enough at Madrid, then I think they'll do everything in their power to ensure Neymar succeeds him.

On an aside, historically, don't Brazilians tend to sign for Madrid more so than Barcelona?


I think you have that backwards... Barça have had 25 Brazilian players in their history, RM 'only' 18.

The most high-profile ones:

FC Barcelona: Evaristo, Romário, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Dani Alves

Real Madrid: Evaristo (after Barça), Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo (after Barça), Robinho, Marcelo, Kakà


I'd say Barça's Brazilians trump Real's as well.
 
Deco is another high profile Barca Brazilian.


Didn't count him because his footballing nationality is Portuguese...otherwise I could have included Pepe and the Alcântara brothers as well.
 
He's nearly 5 years younger than Messi, while he'd start as second fiddle to him maybe by the time Neymar's 24 Messi has dropped off either through age or lack of motivation having won 7 Ballon d'Or and 5 European Cups or whatever and Messi becomes part of the supporting cast to Neymar. As long as he's not relegated to the bench I can't see moving to Barcelona - a team who dominate every game they play in - being bad for his career.

To be completely honest I can't see Messi dropping off before his early 30's, and then he'd definitely go to a deeper role because he is a fantastic passer of the ball. Would Neymar want to go to Barca and be second fiddle for the next 6 years? I doubt it.
 
Neymar might be Villa's or Sanchez's replacement. I am sure either one of them is going to leave this summer especially the later.
 
Neymar might be Villa's or Sanchez's replacement. I am sure either one of them is going to leave this summer especially the later.

You think Sanchez will leave before Villa. I'd be surprised if I'm honest. Villa may well leave to get more minutes under his belt, especially with an International tournament on the horizon and a few other Spanish strikers able to take his place. Sanchez is guaranteed a starting role for Chile so will probably be happy at Barça!

Can see Samchez leaving for a while yet
 
Neymar might be Villa's or Sanchez's replacement. I am sure either one of them is going to leave this summer especially the later.

That's a popular perspective although there's the emergence of Deulofeu to consider, as well - his promotion is imminent. So I too believe one will depart & the obvious is that it will be Villa
 
You think Sanchez will leave before Villa. I'd be surprised if I'm honest. Villa may well leave to get more minutes under his belt, especially with an International tournament on the horizon and a few other Spanish strikers able to take his place. Sanchez is guaranteed a starting role for Chile so will probably be happy at Barça!

Can see Samchez leaving for a while yet

But isn't Villa the one actually performing better? He is more efficient in terms of his contribution to the team. Last season Sanchez had 41 appearances and scored 15 and assisted 5. Villa appeared 24 times and scored 10 and assisted 2.

This season Villa has started 10 games and came on as a substitute for 10 games and has scored 8 goals and has 1 assist. Sanchez has started 12 games and 7 games as a substitute and has scored only 1 goal and assisted 4.
 
You think Sanchez will leave before Villa. I'd be surprised if I'm honest. Villa may well leave to get more minutes under his belt, especially with an International tournament on the horizon and a few other Spanish strikers able to take his place. Sanchez is guaranteed a starting role for Chile so will probably be happy at Barça!

Can see Samchez leaving for a while yet

And who exactly are you going to pick over Villa for Spain? Soldado and Llorente are the only proper backup options they have since Torres is shit. Villa has at least another year to play for Spain before being frozen out.
 
But isn't Villa the one actually performing better? He is more efficient in terms of his contribution to the team. Last season Sanchez had 41 appearances and scored 15 and assisted 5. Villa appeared 24 times and scored 10 and assisted 2.

This season Villa has started 10 games and came on as a substitute for 10 games and has scored 8 goals and has 1 assist. Sanchez has started 12 games and 7 games as a substitute and has scored only 1 goal and assisted 4.

A bit OT but while that first bit is seemingly true (statistically) in terms of Villa's performances, the efficiency (Barcelona-wise) aspect is where the pair diverge, IMO. Tito is banking on having industrious wide men (Pedro clones) who pressure high and insure space for Messi in the middle of the park.

Sanchez & Villa are different players but asked to do similar things for the team yet there's a mounting realization that Alexis has the skills to provide more - pressure off the ball, dribbling, creating space out wide, passing ability to set up his teammates (Leo) and pace to separate from his defender. Where Sanchez pales in comparison to Villa, obviously, is in terms of goalscoring since Alexis isn't a natural scorer. However, based on the current club tactics, perhaps he doesn't necessarily need to be. A wide player has to be a 2-way threat, drawing defenders, creating space etc. - especially in tight areas in that final third. Areas where Villa hasn't been able to consistently provide what Pedro or Alexis can have been taking advantage of pace as well as passing to set up Leo - at least, this appears to be Tito's interpretation based on how he's been used (or not used). Even Iniesta has been used out wide left more this season to greater success than last season due to Alba's overlapping runs.

It's frustrating for a lot of fans, including myself, since Villa is clearly a bonafide/worldclass goalscoring threat when he's on the pitch. However, he's been reduced to a bit role as a substitute despite Sanchez disappointing at many times this season - particularly in front of goal. The difference, apart from their strengths is also that Sanchez is younger and still has ample time to tailor his game for what the team needs whereas Villa's best attributes aren't being taken advantage of - so, again, I'd hazard a guess that it'll be him that moves. Barcelona haven't played regularly with a true CF since Eto'O and Ibra, Henry & Villa have since had mixed success playing out wide left. So, with David's pace obviously on the decline, even an excellent player who becomes a bit more static gets marginalized on a team like this - same happened recently to Ibra who still can obviously be a focal point for a club.

Players like Cuenca & Tello along with Deulofeu (Dongou not far behind) thriving in that role on the flanks also adds to the argument that it'll be Villa who leaves since there will be ample depth of dangerous players out wide.

Only way Villa continues past June, I believe, is if he succeeds in making that wide left position his again - and I don't see it happening. Truth is, Neymar probably represents a balance of marketing and skill despite perhaps being unnecessary. Could even arguably see both Villa & Alexis gone were the Brasilian to arrive.


And who exactly are you going to pick over Villa for Spain? Soldado and Llorente are the only proper backup options they have since Torres is shit. Villa has at least another year to play for Spain before being frozen out.

Villa will continue to be key for Furia Roja
 
To be completely honest I can't see Messi dropping off before his early 30's, and then he'd definitely go to a deeper role because he is a fantastic passer of the ball. Would Neymar want to go to Barca and be second fiddle for the next 6 years? I doubt it.

I don't doubt that he's capable of dropping back, it's more of a motivational thing. A lot of players drop off once they've achieved everything in the game, very shortly he's going to have the record for Ballon d'Ors, he's already proven everything with Barcelona, the only thing left for him to do is win the World Cup. If he does that, or even if he doesn't, what else is there left for him to achieve with Barca?

Maybe he has a desire to accumulate freakish records which will never be surpassed, in addition to surpassing all of the pre-existing ones, but there's a strong possibility that he's at his peak now and that he'll drop off going forward.
 
But isn't Villa the one actually performing better? He is more efficient in terms of his contribution to the team. Last season Sanchez had 41 appearances and scored 15 and assisted 5. Villa appeared 24 times and scored 10 and assisted 2.

This season Villa has started 10 games and came on as a substitute for 10 games and has scored 8 goals and has 1 assist. Sanchez has started 12 games and 7 games as a substitute and has scored only 1 goal and assisted 4.

One of the Spanish papers phrased it as: when Villa looks up he sees the goalposts, when Iniesta (and Pedro and now Sanchez) look up they see Messi.

Not literally of course, but close enough to see why Villa is currently struggling to get playing time.

However, as this is Neymar's thread, the interesting thing is what would Neymar see? The rumours are, with Cruyff saying them out loud of course, that the Barca board think he might be too expensive a gamble given what his role would be. However the Madrid press remain convinced that Barca have already paid a deposit and it'll take a major event to change things.

The major event in Madrid's case would probably be Ronaldo leaving (though they can afford Neymar if Kaka leaves) and Neymar being available in 2013. The major event in Barca's case would probably be if 2014 comes around, Messi is still firing on all cylinders and Barca felt no desire to alter the formation.
 
No idea if Neymar's father/agent can be taken at his word but he told a Barcelona paper in an interview that his son won't come across the pond before '14. Still think another 18 months is a waste of his development but we'll see.
 
according to sport.es, neymar's going to barcelona is a done deal, they are only waiting for the official anoucement

imagine messi, neymar, xavi and iniesta playing together :eek:
 
He'll take the role on the left where they used Villa.
 
Yeah, caught that a bit earlier today. No idea if true although his rumoured arrival has been speculated for more than a year now. Would confirm Villa's departure, of course, which would be a bitter pill for many fans


One of the Spanish papers phrased it as: when Villa looks up he sees the goalposts, when Iniesta (and Pedro and now Sanchez) look up they see Messi.

Not literally of course, but close enough to see why Villa is currently struggling to get playing time.

Great way to put it and bang on, IMO
 
Its a bit sad to see Villa gradually getting squeezed out. He's one of the best strikers of the last 30 years imo and I thought his move to Barca would allow him to cement his legacy, but he's never looked an entirely comfortable fit there.

Neymar's going to have to get used to releasing the ball earlier in a team where he won't remotely be the main man. This transfer could actually be the making of him in terms of adding maturity and good decision-making to his incredible level of talent.
 
Him not being very comfortable there had everything to do with the way Barca look up to Messi in and around the box every time. No slight on his part. It'd be the same with Neymar unless he has the mentality to play 2nd fiddle to Messi. If he wants the limelight and refuses to give it to Messi most times, it'd be an expensive failure.
 
Its a bit sad to see Villa gradually getting squeezed out. He's one of the best strikers of the last 30 years imo and I thought his move to Barca would allow him to cement his legacy, but he's never looked an entirely comfortable fit there.

He arrived at least one season too late, IMO. But I think his declining pace has contributed to him getting getting squeezed out - operating in less & less space means he had to be adept at beating high lines & offside traps. For me, he was the perfect replacement for Samu - could play anywhere in that front 3, comfortable drawing defenders out, passing well and scoring

A really likable player/talent, I know his time is nearing a close with my team but I hope he gets into a good situation where he can demonstrate he is still an enormous asset to have


Neymar's going to have to get used to releasing the ball earlier in a team where he won't remotely be the main man. This transfer could actually be the making of him in terms of adding maturity and good decision-making to his incredible level of talent.

Best thing that happened to Barcelona in '08 apart from Pep was the arrival of Dani Alves - that chemistry on the pitch between him & Messi has probably been the most intuitive one on the pitch - more so than even Xavi & Iniesta, IMO. I believe the thinking is that Neymar can be that sort of compliment to Leo, plus not be shy going for goal which is a problem everyone has developed playing alongside Messi. I don't think he'd simply be expected to service Leo and Messi isn't necessarily expecting everyone to serve him - he just wants the team to score efficiently
 
according to sport.es, neymar's going to barcelona is a done deal, they are only waiting for the official anoucement

imagine messi, neymar, xavi and iniesta playing together :eek:

Oddly I find that combination less disturbing than if Falcao or Rooney say had been their next "Plan B" player. It'll be interesting to see.
 
Him not being very comfortable there had everything to do with the way Barca look up to Messi in and around the box every time. No slight on his part. It'd be the same with Neymar unless he has the mentality to play 2nd fiddle to Messi. If he wants the limelight and refuses to give it to Messi most times, it'd be an expensive failure.

Absolutely. No slight on Messi or Barca's part either, but it does seem a shame to me that when he finally got his big move it wasn't to a club that were in a position to play to his strengths. I doubt he regrets much, having won a La Liga and a CL and played in one of the greatest sides ever, but you do wonder how much more he would have stood out in, say, the current Juve or Bayern Munich squads.
 
The kid is still only 20, he has a long way to go before he can be expected to be considered as dangerous as Rooney or Falcao. I think he's going to be a real hit for them, probably won't hit the ground running by not many 20 year olds do in foreign countries.

He'll be the leader of the next wave of top players.
 
Neymar will give barca a different option.

He will be what they expected Sanchez to be, a rapid dribbler who has the ability to finish, and take the eye off messi.

Just when I thought barca were starting to be reeled in slightly, they buy the best going kid available.
 
He arrived at least one season too late, IMO. But I think his declining pace has contributed to him getting getting squeezed out - operating in less & less space means he had to be adept at beating high lines & offside traps. For me, he was the perfect replacement for Samu - could play anywhere in that front 3, comfortable drawing defenders out, passing well and scoring

A really likable player/talent, I know his time is nearing a close with my team but I hope he gets into a good situation where he can demonstrate he is still an enormous asset to have

He was definitely a superb signing for Barca. A better player than Eto'o for me overall, athough Eto'os peak at Barca was better than Villa's Barca peak.



Best thing that happened to Barcelona in '08 apart from Pep was the arrival of Dani Alves - that chemistry on the pitch between him & Messi has probably been the most intuitive one on the pitch - more so than even Xavi & Iniesta, IMO. I believe the thinking is that Neymar can be that sort of compliment to Leo, plus not be shy going for goal which is a problem everyone has developed playing alongside Messi. I don't think he'd simply be expected to service Leo and Messi isn't necessarily expecting everyone to serve him - he just wants the team to score efficiently

It certainly could work - between Messi and Neymar there's no shortage of talent! I'm just not entirely sure of Neymar will be able to conquer his natural instinct to be greedy.
 
He's the most overrated player in world football, whenever I've seen him hes been ok but nothing great and the figures being quoted for him are beyond crazy considering the league he plays in.
 
Him not being very comfortable there had everything to do with the way Barca look up to Messi in and around the box every time. No slight on his part. It'd be the same with Neymar unless he has the mentality to play 2nd fiddle to Messi. If he wants the limelight and refuses to give it to Messi most times, it'd be an expensive failure.

It won't be the same with Neymar as he is a wide forward, who starts on the left for club and country. That is his position. Where as Villa is a striker playing wide. Neymar fits hand in glove with the Barca system. Not many better players than him to start on the left as part of the front 3 in a 4-3-3.

He is a special player and will get plenty limelight. Barca would be a scarier prospect with him in the team.

The rich just keep getting richer..:(
 
It's going to be interesting seeing them accommodate both the Ego's and playing styles of Messi and Neymar in one team.
 
Looks talented but he's like a boy playing against men. So, so overrated and overhyped.

Indeed. Average (at best) at the Copa America as Brazil were embarrassingly knocked out early, almost non-existent in the Club World Cup v Barcelona, generally average in any semi-competitive games against decent teams...and yet we're told he's a once in a generation talent, sure to be up there with Messi and Ronaldo. Something's not quite right there.
 
I said long time ago his best attribute is making himself look like a clown. His hair isn't shit as it used to be, but his football hasn't improved(judging by tonights game of course).
 
Has to make the move abroad but now I wonder if the reason his handlers are holding off is for fear of his ego taking a hit ahead of the WC when he surely is brought down to earth in Europe. Still was doing a lot of great things out there, great movement, touch, passing etc. but you can see he still has an immature/raw game overall.
 
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