Luka Modric

I'm always right said:
Carrick is a winner and much stronger mentally, certainly the better player for me.
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What absolute rubbish.

RVP hadn't won feck all as a starter until he moved here, is he a winner?

Of course Modric's never won anything he played for Spurs and Croatia. Carrick won nothing until he moved to a big club either, what do you expect him to carry Croatia to a World Cup?
 
So you were talking some vague rubbish about being a 'winner' which has nothing to do with actually winning?
 
lunchforthesky said:
So you were talking some vague rubbish about being a 'winner' which has nothing to do with actually winning?
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Calm down lunchy.

A "winner" is a term often used in football. I think Carrick has that mentality and Modric doesn't, I watched Modric enough at Spurs to know he never shows up when the chips are down. Gerrard has hardly won anything, but the guy is a winner.

RVP spoke of this just a few weeks ago, about how he feels like he is surrounded by Champions.
 
jojojo said:
I think he had one really good season at Spurs, and the rest were nothing special. But there are flashes of real class from him, even when he's not playing particularly well and I reckon that distorts the picture. Very much a Spurs sort of player really.

And I'll take all that back if he ever actually signs for us :D
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I was glad we didn't fork out silly money on him.

We need a midfielder and needed one at the time too, but he's exactly the sort we don't need.

We already have a small army of players who can't really play alongside Carrick but sometimes do anyway.
 
A lot of of good players end up looking average at Madrid. We all know Modric is a fine performer and had he come to United, it could have been that he would have played a crucial role in our "engine room". Instead, he went down the Sneijder/VDV/Kaka etc route... but you can't blame him, the lure of the Madrid Circus is strong...
 
Was never impressed with his performances against the top teams for Spurs. He was good at dominating the midfield and dictating the pace (his two main qualities) against Wigan at White Hart Lane, but then he'd be invisible against a half decent midfield. In fact he was invisible several times against us when our central midfield was woeful and Carrick was horribly out of form.

Agreed, just like Berbatov, that Spurs was his level.
 
finneh said:
Was never impressed with his performances against the top teams for Spurs. He was good at dominating the midfield and dictating the pace (his two main qualities) against Wigan at White Hart Lane, but then he'd be invisible against a half decent midfield. In fact he was invisible several times against us when our central midfield was woeful and Carrick was horribly out of form.

Agreed, just like Berbatov, that Spurs was his level.
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So if Spurs is his level?

Which club is the level for Fletcher, Anderson and Cleverley?
 
finneh said:
Was never impressed with his performances against the top teams for Spurs. He was good at dominating the midfield and dictating the pace (his two main qualities) against Wigan at White Hart Lane, but then he'd be invisible against a half decent midfield. In fact he was invisible several times against us when our central midfield was woeful and Carrick was horribly out of form.
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My thoughts exactly, especially the bolded part.

I see lunchbox is still getting very upset about this.
 
lunchforthesky said:
So if Spurs is his level?

Which club is the level for Fletcher, Anderson and Cleverley?
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My belief is that Fletcher's level is now probably coaching. Anderson and Cleverley are both young players who have yet to reach their potential, if they reach it United will be their level, if they don't who knows. Not sure about the relevance, though?

I suppose I should caveat my opinion - Modric would be a decent squad player here, like Cleverley.
 
I'm always right said:
Calm down lunchy.

A "winner" is a term often used in football. I think Carrick has that mentality and Modric doesn't, I watched Modric enough at Spurs to know he never shows up when the chips are down. Gerrard has hardly won anything, but the guy is a winner.

RVP spoke of this just a few weeks ago, about how he feels like he is surrounded by Champions.
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I find that assessment odd - particularly of Michael Carrick, who despite being a tidy player and certainly a valuable asset to the club is on and off the pitch quiet and unassuming - he's hardly a blood and thunder leader of men a la Keane or Robson. I've often been of the opinion that, despite his obvious positivies, he doesn't seem to take games by the scruff of the neck when things aren't going well.

I watched a lot of Modric at Spurs - he was consistently excellent, including against some good sides when they were in the CL. Hence why clubs like Real Madrid and Chelsea were in for him last summer.

I'm not sure why he's being compared to Steven Gerrard - one of the outstanding midfielders of his generation at club level. He might not be as good as Steven Gerrard, but how many players are?
 
You don't have to be a Keane, Robson or Gerrard to be a winner. Carrick is a winner and he has shown up in many many big games for us, Modric tends to shy away in big games, or at least he certainly did at Spurs.
 
while i agree that Madrid have ruined alot of players once they sign for them, i disagree that Modric is another. the lad is painfully overrated and has been found out.
 
I'm always right said:
You don't have to be a Keane, Robson or Gerrard to be a winner. Carrick is a winner and he has shown up in many many big games for us, Modric tends to shy away in big games, or at least he certainly did at Spurs.
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I read up and saw your version of a 'winner' or what you were speaking of on this occasion was how Carrick has that winners attitude, but as great as Carrick is, I think when we are loosing etc, He isn't one of the players I would consider as someone who turns games around, he plays well when the team do.

THe winner mentality you talk of, I see in someone Like G.Neville and to a lesser extent Rooney, when things were going bad, they tried twice as hard, like Beckham or Ronaldo...
 
Never thought he was all that to be honest. He's a very good player, who seemed too good for Spurs, yet incapable of improving a better side. He'd be a good back-up player for any team in Europe but he's not good enough to take up the mantle from those surrounding him. Similar to Berbatov of 2006-08 seasons. It's not about the footballing level he's being exposed at now but about expectations. I think he tends to shrink against top sides - don't remember him having at least one cracking game against us.

I hear that his clause includes potential Ballon d'or bonuses. I mean, wtf?
 
Don't get me wrong, I'd welcome him here and he's a very good footballer, I'm just not convinced that in the long run he'd be better than either Ando or Cleverley once they hit their peaks.
 
Jaybezia said:
I read up and saw your version of a 'winner' or what you were speaking of on this occasion was how Carrick has that winners attitude, but as great as Carrick is, I think when we are loosing etc, He isn't one of the players I would consider as someone who turns games around, he plays well when the team do.

THe winner mentality you talk of, I see in someone Like G.Neville and to a lesser extent Rooney, when things were going bad, they tried twice as hard, like Beckham or Ronaldo...
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Fair enough, and in that sense I think you're right. I just see more of a winner in Carrick than I do in Modric, I think Modric shrinks in big games, Carrick doesn't for me.
 
I'm always right said:
Fair enough, and in that sense I think you're right. I just see more of a winner in Carrick than I do in Modric, I think Modric shrinks in big games, Carrick doesn't for me.
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Can't knock that its hardly a debate, for all Modric's talent, he needs to be a big fish in a small pond, you upsize that pond, watch the fish shrink
 
I'm always right said:
Don't get me wrong, I'd welcome him here and he's a very good footballer, I'm just not convinced that in the long run he'd be better than either Ando or Cleverley once they hit their peaks.
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This is roughly my stance too. I rate Modric higher than a lot on here seem to, but I also think in a settled system Anderson and Cleverley are both much better than people give them credit for, and Modric would only be that awkward half-step better than either at the moment, and could well be outstripped by them in a season or so.

If we buy someone, and we still should, it needs to either be back-up for Carrick or a world-beater who'll comfortably oust Ando/Cleverley. No point benching them for someone like Modric.
 
Brightonian said:
If we buy someone, and we still should, it needs to either be back-up for Carrick or a world-beater who'll comfortably oust Ando/Cleverley. No point benching them for someone like Modric.
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This. It's similar to all this talk about getting Lewandowski. He is slightly better than Welbeck and Hernandez now but I believe they will reach greater heights.
 
Alonso is rumoured to be leaving in the summer as well so next season we might see a lot more of Modric. Also for the vast majority of players it takes time to settle into another league, Modric took time to get going in this league as well and in big games he used to put in very good performances for Spurs.
 
JazzG said:
Alonso is rumoured to be leaving in the summer as well so next season we might see a lot more of Modric. Also for the vast majority of players it takes time to settle into another league, Modric took time to get going in this league as well and in big games he used to put in very good performances for Spurs.
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Don't tell that to anybody in this thread though..
 
Every big game in his best season at Spurs (10/11)

The game against us particularly stands out in my mind at WHL when he ran rings round Carrick and Fletcher. We got dicked that day. He also played well against strong City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal sides. His only poor game against the big sides that year was at Old Trafford.

Lets not forget he cut the Spanish midfield open a few times single handedly in Euro 2012, not often that happens to them. He was playing more advanced in that game which I don't think he's as well suited to but he still played well.
 
I'm always right said:
Did he? which ones?
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A few against us and that was when we had Fabregas and co in midfield. I recall one in 2011 where it finished 0-0 against your lot and he had a great game that day. Like Steven Seagull (a very interesting username!) mentions a superb performance against a formidable Spanish midfield (they had Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Silva & Alonso playing for them)
 
I'm always right said:
You don't have to be a Keane, Robson or Gerrard to be a winner. Carrick is a winner and he has shown up in many many big games for us, Modric tends to shy away in big games, or at least he certainly did at Spurs.
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I'm not saying you do.

My point is that its a random tag banded about and is basically a football cliche.

Carrick has been fortunate to play in a good side for most of his United career, surrounded by the likes of Van Der Sar, Vidic, Ferdinand, Nevlille, Ronaldo, Rooney, Giggs and Scholes. He's largely done well, but has also had periods where he's been average.

Modric is a good player and I see no reason why he wouldnt have the same level of success in an equally good side.

Whether he's be a viable target I don't know, but I wouldnt be averse to the club moving for him if he's available from Madrid. Largely impressed me most times I've seen him and was key to a decent Spurs side under Redknapp.
 
Steven Seagull said:
Lets not forget he cut the Spanish midfield open a few times single handedly in Euro 2012, not often that happens to them. He was playing more advanced in that game which I don't think he's as well suited to but he still played well.
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That is probably the best example you could use right now. I'm sure that convinced Mourinho he had to get him. Set up a few chances that Casillas had to keep out. On the ball, he never looked out of place, and almost took the game to extra time. Can cover their midfield or Ozil.

Painful to hear that Dembele is perfect for us, but Modric has been found out. If you want a more defensive player, just say so, but even then i can't see how Modric isn't good enough for this team when everyone wants atleast two more midfielders.
 
ForeverUnited19 said:
That is probably the best example you could use right now. I'm sure that convinced Mourinho he had to get him. Set up a few chances that Casillas had to keep out. On the ball, he never looked out of place, and almost took the game to extra time. Can cover their midfield or Ozil.

Painful to hear that Dembele is perfect for us, but Modric has been found out. If you want a more defensive player, just say so, but even then i can't see how Modric isn't good enough for this team when everyone wants atleast two more midfielders.
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Excellent point.

The fear of Dembele before the Spurs game was ridiculous. People will sacrifice their left nut to sign Dembele for the midfield role but Modric, a proven PL performer, is somehow not good enough for United. His is a finesse player in the Scholes mold that Fergie loves. Fergie will not go ahead and buy a purely hatchet man. He would use Jones in that role, if needed.
 
I'm always right said:
Don't get me wrong, I'd welcome him here and he's a very good footballer, I'm just not convinced that in the long run he'd be better than either Ando or Cleverley once they hit their peaks.
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Anderson should start by actually stringing together more than a few games on the spin. Then maybe he might come somewhere near fulfilling his potential.

As things stand if offered Modric or Anderson I know who I'd take. And I suspect the vast majority of fans of other top clubs would say the same.
 
Fergie disagrees with some of you. Some old quotes..


˝The best player the Premier League is not Gareth Bale, not Scott Parker, but Luka Modric,said Sir Alex Ferguson.˝

˝The journalist was interested in the opinion of Sir Alex Ferguson who is his favorite?˝
˝Luka Modric!˝without much thought said Sir Alex˝

Another interview:

''Scholes and Modric are both intelligent footballers,'' said Ferguson. ''They both influence their teams as well so it is a reasonable comparison. I don't think they are identical players but they have the same qualities in terms of controlling a game.

''Their passing consistency is good and the one thing people underestimate about Modric is that he has terrific stamina.''
 
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