Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances

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He wants massive wages, and i can't see us offering them. Wages even a Oil club like Zenit refused in the summer. His negotiating position hasn't gotten strengthened this season either with the performances he has put in and he is in the doghouse at the moment.

Unless, he swallows his ego and Reduces his demands while improving his form can see only 1 outcome, as much us i want him to stay and regain his form.
 
Plechazunga said:
It'll be gutting. Nani's a rarity in that he's got real magic in him, and has proven himself at the top level. If we lose him it really ought to be for a massive fee.
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If his season carries on like this we'll be in a shit bargaining position. 15m is probably the very most we could hope for & I'm doubtful we'd even get that much.
 
Why is Nani so good for Portugal but not for United?
 
The trend in football now is skill, technical ability and dribbling. Nani has all of this including pace, strength and a rocket of a shot.

Letting a player like this go will be a great mistake.

It's not like a RVN or Beckham situation. Nani is in his prime and has produced the goods for 3 seasons now.

Sign the contract Nani, the grass aint always greener.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
The ideal situation would be that he stays and makes his mark again, but it's hard to judge. The signings of 2007 may well go down as some of the worst over the long-term if he leaves at a cut-price having made very little impact for us this season, added to the idea that Anderson too may also want to leave (which I understand is likely to be something lost in translation too).
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no matter what it was worth it in the short term.

4 out of our 7 penalty takers against chelsea in moscow were signed in that window and they all scored their penalties. just looking at the summer (and january) window of that year, if nani and anderson leave, only petrucci will be left from that season of tranfers.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
The trend in football now is skill, technical ability and dribbling. Nani has all of this including pace, strength and a rocket of a shot.

Letting a player like this go will be a great mistake.

It's not like a RVN or Beckham situation. Nani is in his prime and has produced the goods for 3 seasons now.

Sign the contract Nani, the grass aint always greener.
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i don't know how much we are offering nani but if it is less or not that much more than ashley young, would you sign it if you were nani?
 
What Ashley Young earns is none of Nani's fecking business. The club decides what players earn.
 
Plechazunga said:
You're quite tedious about Young

I know I'm quite tedious about lots of things, I'm just saying
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i guess i am. i never thought that i would dislike a big money signing more than berbatov but i would take 10 more years of berbatov than having to support young. I quite like and enjoy berbatov now that he's left the club. There is no chance I will have that opinion of young when he leaves in 3 years. It will be good riddance.
 
acnumber9 said:
What Ashley Young earns is none of Nani's fecking business. The club decides what players earn.
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of course it is nani's business. Would you work at a place where your salary and bonuses were lower or only a little bit higher than a fellow co-worker who is of much less quality and potential than you? Like feck you would.

i don't know how much we are offering nani. perhaps he's asking for RvP, Rooney, Ribery level money. I don't know.
 
acnumber9 said:
What Ashley Young earns is none of Nani's fecking business. The club decides what players earn.
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Not really sure about that ac. Even at the shite semi-pro standard of football I've played at, I've wanted to earn at least at much as players I'm on a same level as/better than. Same goes in the work place, if I'm in the same role as a newer employee and I'm better at my job than him, I'd certainly expect to get at least as much money as he does.
 
SteveJ said:
Why is Nani so good for Portugal but not for United?
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Well without stats(!) to back it up I would say because Portugal plays three in the middle which cuts his defencive work, also they tend to play on the counter vs big teams (atleast when I watched them last euros) so he has less options to think about and can be more selfish. With Ronaldo in the side I would imagine he gets a fair bit of space on his wing.

Could be 100% garbage but makes sense as I write it :)
 
acnumber9 said:
What Ashley Young earns is none of Nani's fecking business. The club decides what players earn.
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Well if I were Nani and been at the club far longer and also got far more talent than Young, I'd want wages more than Young too.
 
Thanks, Sojiro. :)
 
I'm always right said:
Because he's a nailed on starter for them? Whenever he's been nailed on for United he's produced great form, one time even being named POTY. It doesn't take much for him to get dropped at United though.
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This is what annoys me about Nani and Anderson's situations at the club. One bad performance and they get the axe whereas someone like Valencia gets chance after chance to prove himself even though he's been desperately short on form all year. I really wish Nani and Anderson would be afforded the same luxury because we'd probably see them do very well then.
 
I'm always right said:
Because he's a nailed on starter for them? Whenever he's been nailed on for United he's produced great form, one time even being named POTY. It doesn't take much for him to get dropped at United though.
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I'm a Nani fan but no one but Nani is to blame for his current predicament. He has been inconsistent and frustrating at time mixed with brilliance but stop thinking its not down to him it clearly is.
 
Lawman said:
I'm a Nani fan but no one but Nani is to blame for his current predicament. He has been inconsistent and frustrating at time mixed with brilliance but stop thinking its not down to him it clearly is.
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I didn't say it wasn't down to him did I? Steve asked why he was better for Portugal and one of the reasons I offered (but have no clue if it's right of course) is because he feels much secure in his place there?

Nani can have some poor games for Portugal but retains his place, at United he doesn't, SAF has players that he allows poor runs of form, Nani aint one of them.

p.s. This is the new IAR, so please take me at my word and don't start trying to make little arguments with me about points I didn't even make as in "stop thinking its not down to him it clearly is" cause that really isn't what I said at all pal.
 
wr8_utd said:
This is what annoys me about Nani and Anderson's situations at the club. One bad performance and they get the axe whereas someone like Valencia gets chance after chance to prove himself even though he's been desperately short on form all year. I really wish Nani and Anderson would be afforded the same luxury because we'd probably see them do very well then.
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Difference I think with Valencia you still get the work rate regardless of his form, you rarely see any teams opposition player get any joy offensively from Valencia regardless his own offensive form.
 
Plechazunga said:
It'll be gutting. Nani's a rarity in that he's got real magic in him, and has proven himself at the top level. If we lose him it really ought to be for a massive fee.
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Yup, it's baffling how a lot of posters are more than happy to see the back of him.

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I'm always right said:
I didn't say it wasn't down to him did I? Steve asked why he was better for Portugal and one of the reasons I offered (but have no clue if it's right of course) is because he feels much secure in his place there?

Nani can have some poor games for Portugal but retains his place, at United he doesn't, SAF has players that he allows poor runs of form, Nani aint one of them.
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Portugal don't have the quality of depth United do or I guess he would do if he played poorly.
 
Top said:
Yup, it's baffling how a lot of posters are more than happy to see the back of him.
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Well I kind of understand it - to me he's never really felt like a United player, I've never warmed to him.

But as a bit of business it's terrible, he's an indisputably world-class player.
 
Love his goal against Liverpool. Not as good as the strikes v Middlesborough, Chelsea, Spurs etc. but it's such a clean hit, the first touch to set it up was absolutely perfect and it killed them off in one of our most comfortable wins v Liverpool in ages.
 
Lawman said:
Portugal don't have the quality of depth United do or I guess he would do if he played poorly.
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We might have depth but it's not been quality this year. Young and Valencia have been in as bad if not worse form and over the years we've always had not more than 3 wingers at a given point imo. For some reason Fergie just doesn't seem to trust Nani much.

Lawman said:
Difference I think with Valencia you still get the work rate regardless of his form, you rarely see any teams opposition player get any joy offensively from Valencia regardless his own offensive form.
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This work rate and defensive shift down the right is something even Valencia has hardly done this season though. There is no way that Nani would have continued to get games if he played as poorly as Tony V and Young have played this season and that's a bit frustrating. We should give him a run of games to pick up some form. It really can't be easy playing a match once in every 3 weeks or so.
 
wr8_utd said:
We might have depth but it's not been quality this year. Young and Valencia have been in as bad if not worse form and over the years we've always had not more than 3 wingers at a given point imo. For some reason Fergie just doesn't seem to trust Nani much.



This work rate and defensive shift down the right is something even Valencia has hardly done this season though. There is no way that Nani would have continued to get games if he played as poorly as Tony V and Young have played this season and that's a bit frustrating. We should give him a run of games to pick up some form. It really can't be easy playing a match once in every 3 weeks or so.
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Agree with a lot you say but maybe of Nani signed his contract he would find hself more in SAF plans. Plus he has been injured a lot this season as has Young so Valencia got an easy run of it till lately.
 
Plechazunga said:
Well I kind of understand it - to me he's never really felt like a United player, I've never warmed to him.

But as a bit of business it's terrible, he's an indisputably world-class player.
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I understand completely what you mean but I've never understood why. Perhaps because he's not quite as good as that other Portuguese winger we had.
 
Brwned said:
Love his goal against Liverpool. Not as good as the strikes v Middlesborough, Chelsea, Spurs etc. but it's such a clean hit, the first touch to set it up was absolutely perfect and it killed them off in one of our most comfortable wins v Liverpool in ages.
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Yep, that's my favourite Nani goal. It was so seamless the way he executed it and as you say it was the kind of proper humiliation of Liverpool that I always crave and we hardly ever deliver.

ArmchairCritic said:
I understand completely what you mean but I've never understood why. Perhaps because he's not quite as good as that other Portuguese winger we had.
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I dont really know either. I think in large part he's just always seemed a bit of a cock, on the field. The diving and play-acting in particular. And it just always seemed to be all about him. Ronaldo was the same, and I always thought he was a bit of a cock too, but what he gave us was so extraordinary it was hard not to love him. Even so I don't really get the continuing love-in since he's left, I don't feel much affection for him, just admiration for his ability.

Nani also has an evil head, let's not forget that.
 
all you lads telling nani to put pen to whatever contract is being offered...the next time you ask a raise from your manager or client, i hope they tell you to fookin buckle down and work hard to have a future while at the same time your co-worker is on a larger wedge providing feck all quality.
 
Lawman said:
I'm a Nani fan but no one but Nani is to blame for his current predicament. He has been inconsistent and frustrating at time mixed with brilliance but stop thinking its not down to him it clearly is.
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Really hasn't been shown the leeway that Young or Valencia have, I don't think. It just seems like as soon as he has a below par game that the knives come out and he's out the team. It took half a season of Valencia being crap before he got dropped this year, and Young had about 5 or 6 games where he was pretty shocking before he started turning up.

Nani's had a fair few injuries, but it just doesn't seem like he has this sort of guarantee. What's odd is that off form Nani is a far better and threatening player than an off form Valencia or Young.

There must be something to it behind the scenes that we're missing. Nani is crazily talented and still very productive despite opinions on his consistency and performance.
 
VoetbalWizard said:
all you lads telling nani to put pen to whatever contract is being offered...the next time you ask a raise from your manager or client, i hope they tell you to fookin buckle down and work hard to have a future while at the same time your co-worker is on a larger wedge providing feck all quality.
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I love the way you've convinced yourself it's all about Ashley Young, when it's almost certainly absolutely feck all to do with him in any way.
 
Plechazunga said:
I dont really know either. I think in large part he's just always seemed a bit of a cock, on the field. The diving and play-acting in particular. And it just always seemed to be all about him. Ronaldo was the same, and I always thought he was a bit of a cock too, but what he gave us was so extraordinary it was hard not to love him. Even so I don't really get the continuing love-in since he's left, I don't feel much affection for him, just admiration for his ability.

Nani also has an evil head, let's not forget that.
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Yeah it's the same with Young to be fair, Valencia gets more leeway because he just gets on with his job.
 
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