Sorry, my bad, not really booes, wrong expression, but you know what I meant.
Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances
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I heard similar groans aimed towards Valencia during one of our recent home games too.
What a nightmare of a post.
Clearly. I mean what could possibly give anybody the thought that Nani is anything but a future United HOF'r?
Sure he has unlimited amounts of potential and can beat any man he wants, when he wants (can't you remember the great cashley slaying of 1427?), added to the fact that his thought process in the final third is just unparalleled with anything in Europe. How could I possibly write this shite? We do have the best wingers in Europe aftetall right? Rivalled only by Munich apparently cuz Di Maria is shite ya?
Nani is fit and was nowhere to be seen during the biggest game of our season. The manager would rather install his faith in Mr Giggs (don't get me wrong..giggsy is playing great but how can an apparent superstar who makes us a better team be consistently overlooked and replaced by a man who is nearing 40?).
I know the fanboi's will label this as tripe as the poet above has done, but, whether or not you want to admit it...he is playing for a contract and doing sweet feck all to justify it. He is a winger who can nail 1/10 crosses and is more likely to find the 2nd tier with a shot than score 90% of the time. I wish he could fullfil his potentialand justify all of the praise that I have previously done and ye continue to do. Its just fecking eembarrassing to continuously praise a player for underperforming and then take the mic outta RAWK and co.
I've said it before and I will say again..I can not wait for young Zaha to get his opportunity to shine.
Also, the 'boo's' or the 'groans' were manifested from Nani's continuous desire to get the ball and completely slow down play by standing still and allow the opposition to defend in numbers.
Farbeit for me to say such a thing again..I mentioned it previously and was labelled a fella who 'obviously knew nothing about football' by a resident genius.
Your opinion is just as valid as anybody else's mate. Don't let any poster take that away from you.
Differing opinions is what makes football so unique.
Yeah, cos in all other area of life everyone agrees on everything. Cricket, films, love, politics, religion...
It was a tactical decision from the manager and anybody who has a notion about the game would know why Nani wouldn't have suited the way we wanted to go about our business that night. Nani would have been rightfully disappointed, but I'd bet my house that he'll feature in the 2nd leg.
Cleverly has been a big part of our squad this season and wasn't used in 'the biggest game so far'. Would you say that he's on his way out?
While I appreciate the sentiment pal, I were merely reiterating my point in a sarcastic manner is all.
As much as footballing opinions differ and change - I literally think that at this moment, if anybody is choosing to ignore the blatent facts..they are morons!
Why bring up Cleverley? Discuss the player in topic.
You are honestly telling me that Nani was completely left out of the squad because he didn't suit the way we wanted to play? So the same guy who you have previously argued as a vital part of our attacking outlet is unnecessary for even the bench?
Would he have been useless if we found ourselves 2 goals down and desperately trailed that illusive away goal?
Why exactly would you bet your house on him featuring in the 2nd leg? Does this stem from the obvious fact that we currently lead and despertaely need Nani to influence this?
While you take an eternity to respond....
Why attempt to belittle every little thing here? Have I really ruffled your feathers so much by stating the blatently obvious about Nani that you feel the necessity to highlight the above also?
Ferguson is obsessed with the CL. This was absolutely his biggest game so far.
I didn't belittle anything.
I agree that it was our biggest game of the season so far, but highlighted that a player that has featured far more than Nani wasn't used either. By you're logic, Cleverly is also no longer part of SAF's plans.
Cleverley was on the bench
And he's just breaking into the first team. Nani is meant to be one of our senior players. To not even travel cannot be good news for him however you spin it.
And he's just breaking into the first team. Nani is meant to be one of our senior players. To not even travel cannot be good news for him however you spin it.
I didn't belittle anything.
I agree that it was our biggest game of the season so far, but highlighted that a player that has featured far more than Nani wasn't used either. By you're logic, Cleverly is also no longer part of SAF's plans.
By my logic eh? I am discussing a continuous inconsistency from a long time senior player who was not even the squad for the game. You brought up tactics right? Kagawa for Cleverley or Jones for Cleverley was 100% tactical - whichever one of the two you wanna analyze.
Please explain the tactical genius in leaving Nani out of the squad entirely.
Tactical genius?
The subs that we did make were hardly attacking. Giggs was brought on for his experience in seeing out big games and he is obviously in good form. Valencia was brought on for his defensive work-rate as a winger. As for Anderson, he was needed game time and offered some energy in the middle of the park in the closing minutes.
Nani wouldn't have been used even if he was there and SAF clearly felt that he had enough options that fitted his game plan.
Half the time when people say he makes the wrong choices half the time are just wrong.
When it comes to polarizing players like Nani, they can make a couple mistakes and that will be turned into well see they make those mistakes a lot. Even if it is far from the truth.
Nani makes a lot of good choices. Perhaps more bad choices than your average safe player but I like that we have a player like him that will try things most won't.
When it comes to polarizing players like Nani, they can make a couple mistakes and that will be turned into well see they make those mistakes a lot. Even if it is far from the truth.
Nani makes a lot of good choices. Perhaps more bad choices than your average safe player but I like that we have a player like him that will try things most won't.
Tactical genius?
The subs that we did make were hardly attacking. Giggs was brought on for his experience in seeing out big games and he is obviously in good form. Valencia was brought on for his defensive work-rate as a winger. As for Anderson, he was needed game time and offered some energy in the middle of the park in the closing minutes.
Nani wouldn't have been used even if he was there and SAF clearly felt that he had enough options that fitted his game plan.
Absolute tripe. You and how many others were salvating at the prospect of Nani playing Madrid because it was the perfect opportunity for him to exploit additional time on the ball and utilize his much improved defensive play.
Giggs was brought on for his experience? Nani aint supposed to be experience at this stage?
Valencia for his defensive work as a winger? I thought Nani had been working on such and was much improved? That coupled with the monumental praise heaped on Nani in comparison to Tony, surely puts him ahead in the pecking order?
Furthermore, you have once again ignored my actual question. What was tactical reasoning behind leaving Nani out in the first place?
I have argued so many points to you and you are choosing to ignore so many. For a guy who attempted to belittle my first post yesterday, you ain't doing much to back it up.
There's no doubt in my mind that Giggsy was brought on to see the match out. His experience/calmness is on another level to Nani, weird to argue otherwise. He's also been in very good form of late so it was hardly surprising.
Nani putting in work on the defensive side of his game and him being much improved in the aspect doesnt automatically make him better defensively than Valencia who's perhaps the best in the league at shielding his FB. He was brought on to keep the ball and help Rafael, he's better at both than Nani.
While it is more than acceptable to reason the experience of Giggs and the defesnive capability of Valencia, surely Nani has got more than a shout at both? Giggs has looked superb in his few appearances this season against the likes of West Ham for example. I am not denying that. Nani is nearing the point in his career wherehe is supposed to be at his peak (or very close). My very point is exactly what you are laying out...for a player who has so much to offer - why is he being overlooked by a player nearing 40? Valencia has been great but he is a shadow of himself this term. I won't even enter into that debate man.
I think you may have read one or two posts here and not been exactly up to speed with the basis of my argument.
You accuse me of 'belittling' you're first post, yet you then go on to call mine 'absolute tripe' when I've clearly explained why I believe that Nani was left out?
I've nothing else to say to you and don't send me another PM calling me names. Take a chill pill mate.
You've missed massive groans towards Valencia yourself, mate, which quite a few of his haters were quickly to point out.
EDIT: It's pure idiocy, whether it's Nani, Rooney or Bebe.
You accuse me of 'belittling' you're first post, yet you then go on to call mine 'absolute tripe' when I've clearly explained why I believe that Nani was left out?
I've nothing else to say to you and don't send me another PM calling me names. Take a chill pill mate.
Hardly called you names. Sad that you'd express such.
You absolutly belittled me. I called your post tripe because you are back peddling.
All you have done since your first post is ignore the vast majority of the points ive made while you have done nothing to prove otherwise. This debate has come to fruition because you decided to make a nothing statement and have been unable to bring anything wortwhile. Hardly surprising I suppose so probably fitting that you have nothing else to say to me.
I hope Nani does feature in the 2nd leg, as you have stated but I just dont see it
Exactly. People need to stop being so sentimental. An on form Nani is easlily our most talented winger. Thats not up for discussion imo.
Im not sure anyone can deny theres obviously issues between him and Fergie.
Did he not travel to Madrid? I'm sure we had a full squad who travelled except for Scholes.
Leaving out Nani completely does ring some alarm bells, however SAF has always been one to make big decisions. Rooney wouldn't have been happy being shifted out onto the wing, and I'm sure Cleverly and Hernandez would have also been disappointed not to play. So I don't know why people are acting like Nani being left out was the only thing that surprised them. I believe that it was a tactical decision, but I do also understand the concern.
Didn't SAF say this only a few weeks back?
Didn't SAF say this only a few weeks back?
He did travel. Everyone except Scholes did.
What it boils down to is this...
On form, he is quite obviously up there with the top wingers in Europe. When was he last on form though. If people wish to rate his past few performances as such - jesus wept.
If a player that can be given the above praise is not even in the squad for a game of that magnitude...it can not bode well. If there was no issue, he'd be signed up and fighting to regain top form. As it stands..he is not and the only time his name is mentioned by the United hieracrhy is when answering a quedtion about him leaving.
I can understand this being painful for certain people to ignore but its the fact.
On form, he is quite obviously up there with the top wingers in Europe. When was he last on form though. If people wish to rate his past few performances as such - jesus wept.
If a player that can be given the above praise is not even in the squad for a game of that magnitude...it can not bode well. If there was no issue, he'd be signed up and fighting to regain top form. As it stands..he is not and the only time his name is mentioned by the United hieracrhy is when answering a quedtion about him leaving.
I can understand this being painful for certain people to ignore but its the fact.
People are talking about his last few performances as if they were terrible. He's played a couple of times since being out for 2 months with injury and has shown more creativity than our other two primary wingers have done for ages.
Sorry, I meant he wasn't on the bench.
Hope Nani signs his contract and buckles down as he is more than capable of holding and improving our starting 11 but if his head is gone (SAF will know best) then he won't be a massive loss given our personnel.
He is a rarity in the modern game, and if we were to bring in someone similar to what he offers us it would cost 30million upwards, easily.
Not saying Nani is better or worse than Bale, Di Maria etc. but they would easily cost 30million.
I think as a fan of the game and of Utd, we love to see flair players who score beautiful goals. Whereas someone in the position of SAF might prefer the likes of Young/Valencia who are more reliable to the team (in terms of the team winning the 3 points, trophies ya di ya.
Not saying Nani is better or worse than Bale, Di Maria etc. but they would easily cost 30million.
I think as a fan of the game and of Utd, we love to see flair players who score beautiful goals. Whereas someone in the position of SAF might prefer the likes of Young/Valencia who are more reliable to the team (in terms of the team winning the 3 points, trophies ya di ya.
As long as Fergie remembers the truth of his own words then all should be well.
Nor was Young or Vidic. Nani is starting tonight
No he isn't.
Hmm, well this is interesting.
He's not involved at all
He's on the bench.
Surprised he's not starting.
I've been very positive till now but this is where I give up any hope of Nani staying here beyond the summer. If he can't even get a start in this game, he's not getting any games. I don't understand what went wrong since the Fulham League game? He was quite good in that and he's not featured since. This is very disappointing
He's off, this is like the Berbatov situation all over again. No point in pretending otherwise... if he can't even get a game against Reading in the FA Cup after being left out completely against Real while Valencia, who has been abysmal all season, starts regularly. I don't care what anyone else thinks, we are going to regret if he leaves.
He's been terrible whenever he has played, for a long time. I don't get why people can't just let go and accept he's gone in the Summer.
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