When Jonny Evans said that he is the laziest person in training I just thought 'big boned is he?'
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When Jonny Evans said that he is the laziest person in training I just thought 'big boned is he?'
He played well today, imo. Didn't pull off anything spectacular, but his passing and movement to receive the ball and carry it forwards was leaps and bounds above anyone else on the pitch!
...well, to be honest, they bloody well should be!
Sorry lads the mere fact he is even playing for the under 21s is testament to his "ability".
He should be nowhere near the 21s unless he is returning from long term injury.
He should be nowhere near the 21s unless he is returning from long term injury.
You have changed your tune wasn't that long ago you were telling me I was off my head cause I said his ship had sailed. Maybe you have woken up to the fact he is quality on his day but his day is rare. Shame cause he did have flashes of star quality.
Hmmm, you keep doing this. I had to remind you back in December what my original opinion was and I guess I now have to do the same again here....
I made this post back in November when we originally debated Anderson, my "tune" still hasn't changed in the slightest.
Anderson got a starting spot just a couple of weeks after this post through some cracking performances and then BOOM, he got injured again. When he got injured I posted that he needed to get back quickly from injury and needed to come back in form straight away, because otherwise it's the same season twice in a row. I said then that if he didn't do that, I may finally have to give in to the idea that Anderson will simply never stay fit long enough to become the midfielder I believe he can. Especially since I believed SAF held him back at the start of this season to try and help him with his injury issues.
Same tune all along mate. I think I'm a more sensible poster than you give me credit for.
As others have said, it basically a cycle of
Good Form - Injured - Fat
over and over.
EDIT: I suppose I should clarify I don't mean fat as in actual fatness, but quite poor condition and not being able to keep up with games.
Yeah pretty much what I said above & have said all along. I wanted to see how this season panned out cause I thought SAF was micro managing him at the start of the season because of his injury issues, sadly that seemed to make no difference, as soon as he started to play him he got injured anyway.
Maybe he should get paid on game played basis? He seems able to string good performances during new contract negotiation period.
Honestly, I think he's off this Summer.
Useless.
I always wanted to see him played as a left winger. He's got tons of pace and is naturally left footed. Or is that just a silly idea?
Silly I think.
He played wide left once or twice a few seasons ago, from memory, and was pretty shite.
Not left wing, but in the tucked-in role Giggs played for a few years when Queiroz was here, where he was basically in midfield but also popping up on the left, linking with Evra. I really liked that lopsided set-up, and would have liked to see Anderson tried out there.
Only thing is, it requires Evra playing like a wing-back, able to both carry the ball forward to very advanced positions and peg it back to defend. he doesn't do the latter much these days.
Only thing is, it requires Evra playing like a wing-back, able to both carry the ball forward to very advanced positions and peg it back to defend. he doesn't do the latter much these days.
the only place I'd have him is left on the bench.
He's been good this year, when fit. I don't think I'd let him go just yet, he's only 24.
Or the restaurant.
Pretty sensible opinion. He was mostly very good before that injury in December, I think some people have just run out of patience with him missing too many large chunks of seasons through injury and the struggle to regain form that follows it.
That's the thing isnt it. If he is going to be injured this much he is going to have to work on returning to form quicker.
This thread reminds me of Darron Gibson.
All the talk about how much potential he has and how he could become a really good player, then he is sold and struggles to get a game at Everton at times, and is never spoken of again.
All the talk about how much potential he has and how he could become a really good player, then he is sold and struggles to get a game at Everton at times, and is never spoken of again.
We didn't spend £20m on Gibson though. If we did, I suspect he may have been given another year.
The same Darron Gibson that was called a Championship player by many but has since gone on to establish himself as a key player in the Everton team?
There's a rewriting of history with Anderson at times when he's not being played. This idea that he's great when given a run of games is bollocks. There were still some very disappointing performances from him earlier in the season when he was playing regularly, which is always the case. You'd think he was class when he's fit if you went off what some people say.
He's not a key player at Everton. He's been on the bench alot like his buddy Anderson.
Like Anderson he's better than championship level but not quite at the level of the top teams.
Well, I'm not trying to rewrite history, I'm not saying he's Duncan Edwards reborn or anything just that he has shown quality at times, obviously fitness is an issue but if he can resolve that and improve his consistency then he seems to have enough in his locker to be a good player.
Having spent a large wad of cash on him and go to this point I think some of his play this year would make holding onto him for another year worth it, plus, we're not exactly overstocked in CM.
Having spent a large wad of cash on him and go to this point I think some of his play this year would make holding onto him for another year worth it, plus, we're not exactly overstocked in CM.
I agree, but I also think this has worked massively in his favour. Were we not bereft of midfield options in the last few years I can't imagine SAF remaining so patient with him. Even this Summer we will probably lose Scholes, and Fletcher is never likely to return, so getting rid of another midfielder would be pointless.
He's been lucky to be at the club at a prolonged period where we've struggled both quality and quantity wise in our midfield.
Check Everton's records with and without him, and see what their fans think of him.
Bizarre opinion - and I don't rate Gibson and am shocked how well he has done for them.
I think the people who want to get rid are only saying so under the assumption that him being part of our squad is stopping us from buying another midfielder. I've got no problem with him staying; he's young and may still develop into the player we all hope. But if he's going to be injured/out of form half the time, then we really can't afford to place too much trust in him.
He's carrying an injury is he not? Fully fit is a guaranteed starter I think. Gibbo, not ando.
Our resident Everton fan will tell you he's been a key player for them since signing and that's been echoed by any Everton fan I know of (living in Liverpool I tend to meet quite a few). The reason he's been on the bench recently is because he tore his thigh back in November and needs surgery to fully heal so he has to be managed properly.
Certainly there's some similarities between Gibson and Anderson here, the most obvious one being that some lads seem to be willing them to fail just so they can say "ha, told you so". Even when they've left the club you still have people saying that...strange stuff.
I wanted that when he first came here, now I don't want it anymore..
Another more intelligent opinion on the matter.
I get the pro-Ando side of the argument, but even his most rabid supporters would have to concede Ando is never going to be a regular starter for us for the long haul. It's just not in his football DNA to be a leader, a consistently outstanding midfielder for one of the biggest football clubs on the planet. Does Ando really want to be a squad player, even for United, for the rest of his career?
And if we're right about that, wouldn't it be better for all parties to let him go to a smaller club in a less demanding league where he can excel as a regular starter?
And if we're right about that, wouldn't it be better for all parties to let him go to a smaller club in a less demanding league where he can excel as a regular starter?
This is bang on my opinion too. I've no problem with the guy and I think that there's definite potential, but I just can't bring myself to trust him as a reliable option. In an area where we have to little depth as it is, having a player like Anderson is a bit frightening to me. Of course, if we are to let him go, I'd expect us to have a few very obtainable targets in mind.
He is the laziest person in training, apparently. The question in my mind is if he has the hunger to be a top player. I am not so sure. He is only 24 but we need to bring in a proven top midfielder, surely Ando has to make way?
You've had a nightmare in this thread, even the newbs are laughing at you
In my PM:
Getting rid now would be pointless as we likely will be replacing at the least Scholes, we should be replacing Fletcher as well. Why would we add Anderson to the list, there's no way we would or should buy 3 center mids this summer. The logical thing to do is keep him here next year and see how that works out. If he forces his way in to the starting 11 great, if he's alright with being backup great, if he does his usual and spends half the time hurt or complains at a lack of playing time then sell him. There reall isn't any point doing so now though.
Agree with this, pretty much. I want Anderson gone as I don't think he'll ever be good enough to be anything better than a squad player, and even then he struggles with his fitness too much to be an effective squad player. Having said that, selling him without bringing in a replacement would just be stupid. Why weaken our midfield more? So basically: he's not good enough but we can't afford to be rid of him until we bring in someone else. Simple really.
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