wr8_utd
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I would love it we buy more skillful and technically brilliant players like him.
Our team currently lacks flair players like him.
The one we do have doesn't get to play.
I would love it we buy more skillful and technically brilliant players like him.
Our team currently lacks flair players like him.
I love Kagawa but getting him RvP and Rooney on the pitch at the same time has been one of SAFs biggest problems this season and has meant at least one has been regularly shoehorned out of position.
Couldn't we try a diamond with Kagawa at the tip and Rooney and RvP in front of him? That way the three of them get to play in their best positions, there is endless opportunity for interchanging and we don't have to shoehorn wingers in because RvP and Rooney are both capable of providing crosses from wide areas.
Something like:
de Gea
Rafael - Vidic - Evans - Evra
Jones
Carrick ------ Cleverley
Kagawa
Rooney ---- van Persie
Problem also with Rooney and Kagawa playing together is both of them want to come short and dictate the play.
Rooney was dropping deeper and deeper the whole game, RVP was left up top by himself and was getting surrounded by west hams defence.
We had no forward runners to create space behind them, Valencia stays wide looking to recieve and Kagawa was drifting inside trying to get in the hole.
It does unfortunately feel unbalanced. We are sort of confused in our team play, half of them want to stay wide and cross the ball, while the others want to play intricate passes and slice open the opposition. IMO you cannot do both.
I love Kagawa but getting him RvP and Rooney on the pitch at the same time has been one of SAFs biggest problems this season and has meant at least one has been regularly shoehorned out of position.
Couldn't we try a diamond with Kagawa at the tip and Rooney and RvP in front of him? That way the three of them get to play in their best positions, there is endless opportunity for interchanging and we don't have to shoehorn wingers in because RvP and Rooney are both capable of providing crosses from wide areas.
Something like:
de Gea
Rafael - Vidic - Evans - Evra
Jones
Carrick ------ Cleverley
Kagawa
Rooney ---- van Persie
Good post, it's exactly what I've been thinking lately, but expressed far better. I'd rather us play a little more through the middle and cross once in a while, it's getting repetitive. We have the players to play in the middle and do it well, if we got our tactics right.
Hopefully we see more of this more season.
I like that idea but we need better midfield options to make it work.
Really? But we play with a midfield two now surely a midfield three plus Kagawa dropping in when necessary would be sufficient? For me supply from wide areas would be the concern with that formation not the midfield - but the fullbacks Rooney and RvP could sort that imo.
Jones is useless in that position. Put Carrick where you have Jones and someone quality instead beside Clev. Someone we still have to buy ^^. I like the look of that team though.
The idea of Jones regularly in midfield doesn't sound good to me. He has his uses there, sure. But in the majority of games he'd be absolutely pointless there for us.
I don't see him as a long term CM either it was just an example
A shot against the post is an assist now? fecking hell. One of his better games but reading this thread is quite nauseating. If he turns out half as good people here are talking about then he'll be a great signing.
A shot against the post is an assist now? fecking hell. One of his better games but reading this thread is quite nauseating. If he turns out half as good people here are talking about then he'll be a great signing.
A shot against the post is an assist now? fecking hell. One of his better games but reading this thread is quite nauseating. If he turns out half as good people here are talking about then he'll be a great signing.
I thought he was typical Kagawa in the first half as he played a big part in us playing loads of pointless short passes and most of the time he looked on a different wavelength to the rest. It was exactly like the first half at Upton Park back in January with Scholes, Rafael, Kagawa and Cleverley in the midfield - we kept the ball well but did very little with it.
A shot against the post is an assist now? fecking hell. One of his better games but reading this thread is quite nauseating. If he turns out half as good people here are talking about then he'll be a great signing.
Me too. He did some really good stuff, which he usually does, but he also drifted out of the game for sustained periods.
I find the reactions in this thread really odd. You'd swear this guy had been our stand out player all season the way people are talking about him being a cut above the rest of our team and how we have to change our style to adapt to him, rather than the other way around.
I have no doubts he'll be a good player for us, but this sort of snobbery about his style - and as a consequence, the criticism of the other players for not being "on his wavelength" - is awful nonsense. People are behaving as if it's a privilege for us to have him playing for us, rather than the other way around. There are few players good enough to justify changing your entire style of football for. Kagawa hasn't proven he's one of those, as yet.
Kagawa's last 4 PL starts:
vs Norwich: Hat-trick and MOTM.
vs Sunderland: Good/decent game.
vs Stoke: Second best player in the front six(Rooney was best).
vs West Ham: Assisted both goals excellently, MOTM for United.
3 goals and 2 assists in 4 games(note: he only got to play the full 90 minutes against Norwich and Stoke). Not bad considering that he only played less than 45 minutes combined in his best position.
Fergie, please let Kagawa play in his best position from now.
People overrate Kagawa because he's something we've seldom seen before, a genuine attacking midfielder with flair and ability to split defences with both passing and forward runs. He hasn't been that good this season but I can clearly see why some are excited. I can't see why others feel the need to play down all his good efforts.
People overrate Kagawa because he's something we've seldom seen before, a genuine attacking midfielder with flair and ability to split defences with both passing and forward runs. He hasn't been that good this season but I can clearly see why some are excited. I can't see why others feel the need to play down all his good efforts.
Me too. He did some really good stuff, which he usually does, but he also drifted out of the game for sustained periods.
I find the reactions in this thread really odd. You'd swear this guy had been our stand out player all season the way people are talking about him being a cut above the rest of our team and how we have to change our style to adapt to him, rather than the other way around.
I have no doubts he'll be a good player for us, but this sort of snobbery about his style - and as a consequence, the criticism of the other players for not being "on his wavelength" - is awful nonsense. People are behaving as if it's a privilege for us to have him playing for us, rather than the other way around. There are few players good enough to justify changing your entire style of football for. Kagawa hasn't proven he's one of those, as yet.
I know you despise the lad with passion but come on, shot off the post has always been an assist.
But i agree he's overall performances have been okay but there is much promise if he starts believing he's in the same ilk of those around him on the pitch.
Has it feck. And there is a vast middle ground between not fawning at his feet and despising him. What an overly sensitive chap you must be.
Has it feck. And there is a vast middle ground between not fawning at his feet and despising him. What an overly sensitive chap you must be.
So if Kagawa does not get the assist, who does?. The post? the grass?
So if Kagawa does not get the assist, who does?. The post? the grass?
Nah, you just hate him and will do anything to make him look worse. It's a similar situation to kietotheworld v de Gea stuff where he tried to blame every goal conceded on him. Kagawa could score 30 next season and you'd be telling us they were all easy but deep down you'd be devastated that he's done well.
So if Kagawa does not get the assist, who does?. The post? the grass?
You couldn't be more wrong. Why would a Utd fan want a player to do badly? Go and lie down for a while.