Did someone actually try and put Valencia on par with Robben? On top form, the lad's good value but blimey, we really hit the two extremes on here.
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This is never a sufficient argument as to the importance or use of a player to be fair. Valencia has played so much simply because our other wingers have been equally poor or frozen out. There's also the likelihood that Fergie has tried to show loyalty to a player that has no doubt deserved it.
What remains is that Valencia has been by and large fairly ineffective, and that anything he has offered defensively is nothing that a whole host of other players couldn't have done. Don't like being that blunt about a person with the class of Valencia but there's no point beating around the bush regarding his form this year. It's not been good - we've won the league despite our wingers and not because of them.
Definitely wasnt better than Giggs, more silly suggestions 
Offensively he was the weakest of our attacking 4, but winning the ball 7 times is also valuable.
Offensively he was the weakest of our attacking 4, but winning the ball 7 times is also valuable.What was there to figure out? Kick and run was the name of the game and every defender knew it, but none of them were quick enough or strong enough to do anything about it. If Valencia just realises that the old schoold method actually still works, he can go back to being productive again!
Yes, we'll probably take the most difficult league in the world by a good 15 points despite our wingers, despite our midfield etc etc. Would be nice to hear Ferguson's take on this. It really would.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...ter-United-ace-Antonio-Valencia-wants-to-stay
says he wants to retire here.
says he wants to retire here.
Not really news, he got rid of his agent a while back saying he never wanted to move again.
I love the way Tony fought through a long run of poor form and put in great performances to end the season. (Yes, we have four games left but it's over.)
Stick with Valencia on the right next season, but bring in Bale or Ronaldo on the left and we'll be alright.
Stick with Valencia on the right next season, but bring in Bale or Ronaldo on the left and we'll be alright.
I would love to be proved so wrong about Tony. Please rub my face in it if he gets back to his former self!
I reckon he'd be brutally honest and open to the media like he always is.
"So, Sir Alex...what do you think of your wingers' performances this year"
"Ooh aye, asolooly shite, nor queshun abo tha'. Valencia....boy's a pwayer but 'es ben complete borllocks, nor do' abo tha'..."
...obviously.
I've never said anything about the midfield there so I don't get where the fairly dramatic exaggeration has come from. Valencia has been poor this season - this isn't contestable. Nani has been varied in consistency for various reasons and Young has looked a bit 'meh' at the best of times. The reason we have won the league is because of the will of the team, the fantastic influence of Robin Van Persie and Michael Carrick, the return to form of our defence in the second half of the season and the consistency of our full backs and De Gea. These players have performed fantastically and were integral to our success.
It's just so reductive to go "well, Alex Ferguson picks so and so and we won the league therefore everything and everyone must've been brilliant". It's such a limited analysis.
Last season it was a regular view held by posters last season. This is obviously talking about the current Robben who will dribble past everyone in the opposition only to blast it over the top, not the younger Robben.
Yeah, he really beasts defenders when the mood takes him. The lead up to the Kagawa miss is a great example of this.
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Also, remember this?
It's probably the worst argument I've read on here. Basically, because we are on course for a records point season and we've already wrapped up the league, that means every single decision Fergie has made is correct, and that all of our players played amazing throughout the season? It's fecking bizarre.
Why would you choose to look at the points tally to work out and justify Valencia's form/season, over say.....Valencia's form throughout the season?
Also, remember this?
I love physical football as much as anyone, but that's just a foul
Never thought he'd lost pace. He came back from his broken leg as quick as ever, remember that sprint against Liverpool that resulted in Glen Johnson colliding with his own man, then chasing after Tony and giving away a penalty?
The loss of form and confidence though has been something to behold.
It's clearly a foul.
Debatable. They start off shoulder to shoulder and that last wee shove only happens because Baines is grabbing hold of his arm. Six of one.
A foul? Literally nobody in the world thought so at the time.
The giveaway is the bit where he runs away from the path of the ball, directly into the defender, and then pushes him over with his arm.
From the refs perspective it could have looked like TonyV's arm was being pulled and he was breaking free of a foul himself, but yeah it was a foul. Still strong stuff though.
The bit where Baines is pulling on his shirt/arm?
feck sake.I don't know how anyone can really doubt that that's a foul, but I do know that I've now watched it about 100 times and it doesn't stop getting funnier.
Because its two players tousling for the ball and one winning? Both players were trying to use their strength to win the ball and one won.
A sort of 'Super fan' thing, I think. Feel bad saying it like that but it isn't rational to just blindly surrender to the perception that everything is brilliant and without fault.
If Fergie was like that, he'd never have built so many successful teams.
It really is a blatant foul.
Which was fine until he moved himself over three yards in order to knock Baines away.
Also, remember this?
I was actually at Old Trafford that day when Valencia raped Baines over and over. Absolutely brillian that!
That's actually the reason why I never wanted Baines; he just isn't fast enough or strong enough for a United fullback. Even if Evra has lost a bit of pace, he is still faster than Baines and Rafael is a whole lot quicker.What has surprised me this year though is that we have gone from being one of the, if not the, fastest teams in the league to being a bit meh in terms of pace. I'm not just talking about individual players, but also the way we play. How many goals have been a result of terrific counter attack this season compared to previous seasons? To me, that is evidence that our wingers haven't been their usual selves. There is hope that Valencia is turning back to form though - and I still want to see Valencia outpace Bale, because I think he has it in him
(I'm a self proclaimed geek, so sue me)Because Valencia was faster and stronger than Baines? Nah - I remember Nani being fouled for a similar incident. Even the commentator said that was totally rubbish as he was just stronger! If anything, Valencia is ahead of Baines and Baines tries to foul him. It's not basketball you know.
That's a foul, imo.
Despite it being obvious that Baines was trying to pull him away with his arm? He is clearly pulling him away from the ball. If Valencia had gone down he would undoubtedly got a free kick and likely Baines a booking.
I have never even heard this opinion until today, it's always, in my Eyes been seen as a great example of his abilities. Strangely, one person today proclaims it as a foul and them the usual gang latch on to it.
No because he intentionally moved his entire body three yards over to knock Baines to the ground. He didn't need to do that, he had him beat long before he did it. Jesus Christ, it's such a blatant foul.
Can you not see him literally sticking his entire arm out to push Baines away? Foul.
Looks to me like there is a significant enough pull after the first contact (which seems fair to me) between the two players for that to be called against Baines. If you look at Valencia's left shoulder when he's running towards the camera, he's pulled off balance before then pushing Baines away.
I don't know how that would work in terms of the rules though because I'd say it's clearly a foul by Valencia after that. It'd go foul - advantage - foul then get brought back to the original one by Baines wouldn't it?
I don't know how that would work in terms of the rules though because I'd say it's clearly a foul by Valencia after that. It'd go foul - advantage - foul then get brought back to the original one by Baines wouldn't it?
Erm, it's Baines.
Errr...oh yeah. How embarrassing. I dunno where I got Luiz from, it looks nothing like him. I thought that was against Chelsea to be fair...shows what my memory's like.
I dunno where I got Luiz from, it looks nothing like him. I thought that was against Chelsea to be fair...shows what my memory's like.It's a foul. If he uses his body strength that's fine, but pushing another player over with your arm is a foul.
Why is everyone suddenly talking about it, out of interest?
Why is everyone suddenly talking about it, out of interest?
The thing with Valencia is I think he has the correct mental attitude to come back from a dip in form, which doesn't help explain his sudden lack of confidence but I think over the past couple of games at least that he is starting to show signs of his old-self and I definitely think he'll continue playing over the course of the next few games just to play in a no-pressure environment and regain more of his confidence and get a run of form before pre-season under his belt.
Can you not see Baines hand literally pulling Valencias arm? I remember it fairly well myself, the referee had a good enough view to decide and didn't whistle, no Everton players even appealed. Nobody thought it was a foul
and I'll trust a referees opinion over Pletch from the Internet on most occasions. Especially when he has a clear view.To me it looks just as much like Baines is holding him - nothing is conclusive. If Baines was holding him, you might say that Valencia was forced into that direction.
You really don't like Valencia, do you?
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