Swansea City vs. Manchester United

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RedSky At Night said:
Disagree completely. If 9/10 seasons Dave's team started off badly then its more than a simple coincidence its a pattern in his management. Just because he's moved up a tier in club management doesn't mean you can't still analyse what he did at Everton. All you're doing is making excuses for one of his weakness' in management. Whether that weakness carries over to United is up for debate and we'll see in 5/6 games time whether its a valid argument or not.
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I'm not making excuses for anything specific. I didn't even read the argument you two were having. I'm just saying that while yes, you can analyse his time at Everton, it's a mistake to draw any serious conclusions from it about how he'll be at United.

The 'starts seasons badly' example is a telling one, though. The clear reason that Everton often started poorly when Moyes was there was that again and again they would lose their best player just before the start of the season, without ever having had the funds to secure a replacement. Everyone knows that, it's been one of the truisms about Everton for years. Lose best player, have a correspondingly shit start to the season. Lescott, Cahill, Arteta... Obviously that shouldn't be something he has to contend with at United.
 
kafta said:
No you're right, he hasn't looked bad. I'd rather he start. But that's the line-up i suspect we might see, not the one i'd prefer.
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Oh I see. You may be right, although I'm really, really hoping that Moyes isn't a fan of the Jones-in-midfield approach. It might be fair to start Anderson, I suppose, given that Cleverley has played twice in a week already.
 
Assuming everyone is fit I'd like to see:

DDG
Fabio - Rio - Vidic - Evra
Carrick - Cleverley
Nani - Kagawa - Welbeck
RvP

I have a feeling Giggs will start over Kagawa and Valencia over Nani though and we'll go with a more conventional 442. I'd like to see Chicharito get some playing time and hopefully Januzaj is at least on the bench.
 
Brightonian said:
He's looked pretty decent. Certainly better than Anderson has in pre-season. And you were willing to start Jones over him in midfield? Ok... :wenger:
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I think that Ando was better than him in pre-season but neither of them were certainly better than the other. Knowing that Cleverley played two times in last week (and didn't play that good in CS) I hope that Ando gets a start. Or both of them starting in case Carrick isn't fine.
 
Nah. The official website says there are a few players doubtful. Doenst say whether they actually travelled or not.
 
I'm confident that Jones will start at right back ahead of Fabio. I can also see Valencia starting ahead of Zaha and I'm not really expecting both Rio and Vidic to start together.

De Gea
Jones Rio Evans Evra
Carrick Cleverley
Valencia Kagawa Welbeck
van Persie
 
walsh said:
I'm confident that Jones will start at right back ahead of Fabio. I can also see Valencia starting ahead of Zaha and I'm not really expecting both Rio and Vidic to start together.

De Gea
Jones Rio Evans Evra
Carrick Cleverley
Valencia Kagawa Welbeck
van Persie
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Yeah would imagine something like that as well as reckon Moyes will want to get his team for Chelsea sorted so think Jones will start. Only question really is Giggs, reckon Moyes might use him a fair bit. Then other question will be Ando or Clev but again I guess Moyes might factor in the chelsea team rather than Clev not being as fresh as Ando will be.
 
SATA said:
Rooney will start this i reckon, Zaha drop to the bench
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Would be very surprising and sends out the wrong message imo. Welbeck/Giggs have both had good pre-seasons and are currently sharp, they should be in ahead of Rooney, surely the one driver to this whole situation is that Rooney is no longer un-droppable and has to earn his spot. Reckon there's a good chance he'll be on the bench but honestly can't see him starting.
 
Ash_G said:
Would be very surprising and sends out the wrong message imo. Welbeck/Giggs have both had good pre-seasons and are currently sharp, they should be in ahead of Rooney, surely the one driver to this whole situation is that Rooney is no longer un-droppable and has to earn his spot. Reckon there's a good chance he'll be on the bench but honestly can't see him starting.
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Welbeck will start of course, no need to start Giggs as he's in the squad to provide cover. As i said, Rooney will come in for Zaha probably. I just think Moyes will use this opportunity and start Rooney to shut everyones mouths up. And who knows, Wayne might be chomping in the bit and end up playing well
 
SATA said:
Welbeck will start of course, no need to start Giggs as he's in the squad to provide cover. As i said, Rooney will come in for Zaha probably. I just think Moyes will use this opportunity and start Rooney to shut everyones mouths up. And who knows, Wayne might be chomping in the bit and end up playing well
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He might but we don't know, I guess it would depend on how he's training but I think the overall principle is what message does it say that Rooney, who is clearly at the least thinking about a move given his complete silence, who hasn't had really any preseason time can come straight back in te team where there are other options who have been fit and done well. Welbeck might get in but then likely on the wing to makeway for rooney also just cause giggs is generally viewed as a squad player doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a start, likewise zaha has impressed. I just don't get the whole point of letting it get to this situation if nothing changes. Rooney can go back to thinking he'll play regardless of form or fitness and the other players fighting for a spot do so in the knowledge that ultimately it matters little as certain players will get in on name alone.
 
------------De Gea
Jones--Rio--Vidic--Evra
Valencia-Carrick-Cleverley-Giggs
--------RVP--Welbeck


I'd be quite surprised if this isn't the team. Maybe Anderson for Cleverley.
 
---------De Gea-----
Jones---Rio---Vidic---Evra
---Cleverley---Carrick-----
Valencia-Kagawa-Welbeck
---------V.Persie---------

Zaha and Rooney to appear off the bench. Id take a draw, Swansea away is a tough game especially when they have already played a couple of competitive games, I cant see many teams going there and taking all 3 points this season.
 
Brightonian said:
He's looked pretty decent. Certainly better than Anderson has in pre-season. And you were willing to start Jones over him in midfield? Ok... :wenger:
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Cleverely disappeared for a lot of most games.Anderson was a lot more involved, and even looked fitter.
 
Think we'll see Valencia and Giggs on the wings. Zaha and Rooney from the bench with Welbeck and van Persie up top. For me, only major question is who partners Carrick.
 
Is this free to view for Irish Sky subscribers?
 
I wouldn't rule out Smalling for RB either. Don't think Kagawa will start after flying across the globe back and forth within a week.

DDG

Smalling
Rio
Vidic
Evra

Valencia
Cleverley
Carrick
Anderson

Welbeck
RVP
 
Donut said:
------------De Gea
Jones--Rio--Vidic--Evra
Valencia-Carrick-Cleverley-Giggs
--------RVP--Welbeck


I'd be quite surprised if this isn't the team. Maybe Anderson for Cleverley.
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That's what I'm expecting too with Giggs and Welbeck operating the way they did v Wigan.

Castia said:
---------De Gea-----
Jones---Rio---Vidic---Evra
---Cleverley---Carrick-----
Valencia-Kagawa-Welbeck
---------V.Persie---------

Zaha and Rooney to appear off the bench. Id take a draw, Swansea away is a tough game especially when they have already played a couple of competitive games, I cant see many teams going there and taking all 3 points this season.
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Will be surprised if Kagawa starts given he played in Japan midweek.
 
jakec said:
Cleverely disappeared for a lot of most games.Anderson was a lot more involved, and even looked fitter.
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:lol: Bollocks. Anderson was inconsistent at best. In general I find that people who think Cleverley 'disappears' are just those who don't notice a player unless he's doing something hollywood. And not constantly going for the flash option is the exact reason that Cleverley is better there than Anderson.
 
Has anyone seen Hernandez yet this season? I'm not convinced he was at Wembley, and I don't think he's been in any training pics. He finished with Mexico absolutely ages ago, and didn't play for them midweek.

It's a bit bizarre.
 
Brightonian said:
:lol: Bollocks. Anderson was inconsistent at best. In general I find that people who think Cleverley 'disappears' are just those who don't notice a player unless he's doing something hollywood. And not constantly going for the flash option is the exact reason that Cleverley is better there than Anderson.
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I think there's a middle ground though, ando was doing too much "Hollywood" stuff at times in preseason but he was also generally more imposing, clev kept things tidy but could easily be accused off letting himself just be a passenger. Personally I would say ando caught my eye more than clev did but there's very little in it. Both really have the opposite problems to each other fitness issues aside, clev is too passive and ando can try to do too much.
 
Beachryan said:
Has anyone seen Hernandez yet this season? I'm not convinced he was at Wembley, and I don't think he's been in any training pics. He finished with Mexico absolutely ages ago, and didn't play for them midweek.

It's a bit bizarre.
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Picked up an injury in that behind closed doors game apparently.
 
Considering Fabio wasn't even on the bench in CS, I won't be surprised to see Valencia starting at RB tomorrow, which is shame IMO, but we'll see.
 
Amar__ said:
Considering Fabio wasn't even on the bench in CS, I won't be surprised to see Valencia starting at RB tomorrow, which is shame IMO, but we'll see.
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I would considering both Jones and Smalling are available.
 
Donut said:
------------De Gea
Jones--Rio--Vidic--Evra
Valencia-Carrick-Cleverley-Giggs
--------RVP--Welbeck


I'd be quite surprised if this isn't the team. Maybe Anderson for Cleverley.
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I agree, but we'll be in big trouble if this is the line-up IMHO. Very little creativity apart from Giggs who really shouldn't start anymore, Valencia hasn't done anything to warrant a start too. A Jones/Valencia combo doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I would definitely start Fabio at RB, Zaha and Nani (if available), Jones offers very little going forward as full-back.
 
I would love to see Kagawa play but hasn't been to Japan this week?

My guess is:

De Gea

Jones
Evans
Rio
Evra

Valencia
Carrick
Cleverley
Zaha

Welbeck
RvP
 
Anduin said:
I agree, but we'll be in big trouble if this is the line-up IMHO. Very little creativity apart from Giggs who really shouldn't start anymore, Valencia hasn't done anything to warrant a start too. A Jones/Valencia combo doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I would definitely start Fabio at RB, Zaha and Nani (if available), Jones offers very little going forward as full-back.
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Valencia will start by virtue of being our only available wide man IMO. I know Zaha is fit but with him being a young player and having a poor game against Wigan I'm not really counting him.

Valencia looked alright when he came on against Wigan anyway.
 
Carl said:
I would considering both Jones and Smalling are available.
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Well, they are both excellent players, but I don't like either of them at RB, especially Smalling, and I don't think they enjoy playing there. Our right side doesn't look impressive attacking wise when they play there, that's for sure.
 
Amar__ said:
Well, they are both excellent players, but I don't like either of them at RB, especially Smalling, and I don't think they enjoy playing there. Our right side doesn't look impressive attacking wise when they play there, that's for sure.
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I'd rather Fabio played too but both Jones and Smalling are better than Valencia in the position and it will be 1 of them 2 (Jones) that plays.
 
Carl said:
I'd rather Fabio played too but both Jones and Smalling are better than Valencia in the position and it will be 1 of them 2 (Jones) that plays.
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Jones is probably better than Valencia as a RB , but I don't agree about Smalling being better there. Smalling distribution is really poor these days(in last year or so) so he probably won't offer us anything in attack, and he didn't look too impressive defensively in preseason at all even at CB, especially with "tricky" players, so I think Pablo Hernandez could cause him few troubles tomorrow, that's why I wouldn't bet on him playing tomorrow.
 
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