How dare anyone have a go at Fellaini or Moyes, but Fergie? Well, the old codger is away now so he's fair game, eh?
Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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I can't believe you've started a post with "that's crap" before going on a nonsensical rant about how the best manager ever has left us in such a desperate state of affairs, that we might as well pack up and go home. Well done. That was like a magic trick.
Rooney was the best of a bad bunch yesterday but I've already said he got bullied by Kompany for 60 minutes, as well as stating that Ferdinand was again utter dogshit. feck sake.
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I've just read that again and can only assume its a wind up. Well it's cheered me up, so thanks for that.Its got nothing to do with him not being FabregasThiagoHerrera and everything to do with him being Marouane fecking Fellaini.
He was useless long before then.
How long is it fair to wait before we slate a player? Young is clearly fair game, since you've joined in on that one. You give me a time and I'll come back and slate him when he's still shit then.
It was complete and utter sycophantic crap or drivel, take your pick. 99.9%? Really? Honestly? No thought not. It wasn't nonsensical it was all true. Lift your rose tinted glasses from the SAF Utopia you are dreaming about and look at what I wrote. We are not a great team, our crunch performances over the past few seasons are evidence of that. We are a good squad with an inferior first 11 to many of the other top, top teams in Europe. The reason we are inferior is because Saf did not address glaring weaknesses in our team over a long period of time. What is being magically altered about that?
You are the one magically altering history so you can use SAF's greatness to gloss over things he got wrong. We have not been good in big games for a long time, so why was anybody so shocked to see us outplayed by a top team in top form. It's not a first. We just don't usually get punished so severely for our poor performances, yesterday we did. This is surely a consequence of depending on 40 yr old former greats to do a job in midfield for far too long, instead of signing what we really needed to improve.
To be fair that is absolutely true.
I can't believe you're backing it up.
For feck sake who knows if it was 99.9% it's a figure of speech. How could I possibly quantify all the decisions Ferguson made in 26 years into a percentage? Is this actually happening?
I don't know why Ferguson didn't sign a midfielder sooner but we had at least been monitoring Herrera, Thiago and Fabregas. It was a mistake, like Mourinho should've bought another Striker this summer. It happens.
You've taken me moaning about Fellaini and turned it into a bunch of shit about Ferguson and his sub 99.9% strike rate. Anyway, I tried to leave this alone in post 2511 and I'll do that now.
For feck sake who knows if it was 99.9% it's a figure of speech. How could I possibly quantify all the decisions Ferguson made in 26 years into a percentage? Is this actually happening?
I don't know why Ferguson didn't sign a midfielder sooner but we had at least been monitoring Herrera, Thiago and Fabregas. It was a mistake, like Mourinho should've bought another Striker this summer. It happens.
You've taken me moaning about Fellaini and turned it into a bunch of shit about Ferguson and his sub 99.9% strike rate. Anyway, I tried to leave this alone in post 2511 and I'll do that now.
Of course Mike, I'm sure you never miss a Toffees match.
Not having a go at him. I'm telling the truth Nev. Nothing wrong with speaking the truth irrespective of how unpalatable it may be for some of you to face the notion that just some of the problems we now face are down to SAF, not Moyes. Funny that.
Moyes and Fellaini haven't been here long enough for anyone to have a go at them. FFS I wonder how long Fergie would have lasted at the start of his tenure with fans like you about. He would have been labelled useless and written off after only half a dozen games. Do you even remember SAF getting bummed off City 5-1 at Maine road in his first derby? No thought not, wonder what you would have had to say about that. You need to stop whining like a spoilt bitch all the time, and do what SAF asked of you, have some patience with the new manager. Mind you the old codger's gone now, so Moyes is fair game eh?
I'm not going to blame Fellaini at all for the match yesterday. He has barely played for us. If we hadn't been such fannies and had just bought him at the start of the window so he was here for pre-season he'd have settled in much more by now which could only have helped.
I've said nothing disparaging about Moyes whatsoever. I've yet to blame him for anything. He wasn't who I wanted here, I said it long before Ferguson retired, but I appreciate he did a good job at Everton and now he's here I'm happy to see him given time to make the club his own. I remember that Maine Road hammering, I was a United fan back then. Were you? I'm showing plenty of patience with the new manager, show me where I haven't.Not having a go at him. I'm telling the truth Nev. Nothing wrong with speaking the truth irrespective of how unpalatable it may be for some of you to face the notion that just some of the problems we now face are down to SAF, not Moyes. Funny that.
Moyes and Fellaini haven't been here long enough for anyone to have a go at them. FFS I wonder how long Fergie would have lasted at the start of his tenure with fans like you about. He would have been labelled useless and written off after only half a dozen games. Do you even remember SAF getting bummed off City 5-1 at Maine road in his first derby? No thought not, wonder what you would have had to say about that. You need to stop whining like a spoilt bitch all the time, and do what SAF asked of you, have some patience with the new manager. Mind you the old codger's gone now, so Moyes is fair game eh?
Fellaini is shite, though.
If you want to judge his career at Everton, seeing as everyone seems to have been compulsively watching them for the past 5 years, go right ahead, he was their best player (I actually do watch a lot of Everton).
He's a Manchester United player now, so if you want to judge him as that you should give him a chance to kick a fecking ball, not to mention get used to the system and players he has around him and who are a bit better than what he had round him at Everton.
Was he outstanding yesterday? feck no, but he wasn't the only one, and being here 5 minutes, he has more excuse than most. Should we be playing 442 away against City? feck no, but that's not Fellaini's fault.
Fellaini was not Everton's best player. They didn't put up quite the same fight to keep him as they did Baines. He was also such a good midfielder they took him out of that position and played Darron Gibson instead.
He was their best player.......when he played off the striker.
I'll judge him on what I've seen of him, and what I've seen of him suggests to me he isn't good enough for United. Being Evertons best player means feck all, really. They hardly look like they're missing him, and have a better player in with the money they sold him for.
It's also nice that Eyepopper can watch a lot of Everton but the idea of anyone else doing so is unfathomable.
im backing it up because it's fecking true! It wasn't a mistake, it must have been a considered decision to stick with what he had and not buy. Why pretend it was anything else? Why can't you people just admit that SAF not buying anybody for midfield has left us behind many of the other top teams? It doesn't hurt, and if it does then deal with it because it is the truth. I don't even mind people not wanting to acknowledge that, but it is the constant griping about the situation right now, as though decisions SAF made previously have absolutely no bearing upon the problems Moyes now faces, that really gets on my tits.Aye. Might be a good idea to - dare I say it - give the fecker some time to settle in. But some people have two things firmly set: 1. Fellaini isn't United quality (whatever the feck that means for a central midfielder these days); and 2. He needs no time whatsoever to settle in, because we were all told one of the reasons for buying him was the fact that he is a proven PL player.
So, clearly there is no need to get to know his team mates. They're all PL players too. And because he was sort of lost in a nightmarish away fixture at the bitters' place, in his second start for us, he is obviously shite and will never, ever be of any use to us.
I'd like to ask something. Would it be possible, at all, to just regard him as someone we didn't overpay for? You know, since it ain't his fault and all? Just look at him as some player we signed who can play a bit, be a bit of an alternative for us in the middle? Considering, perhaps, that we don't have ten midfielders of Cesc feckin' Fabregas' standard to pair up with Carrick? Is that something people are willing, even if only grudgingly, to do?
I catch a lot of Everton because my best mate is a massive Everton fan, as I've said for years and not heard a single peep from anyone else say they follow them a bit.
Sign Fellaini and Moyes - everyones been watching them faithfully for years.
How can you be showing patience with the new manager when you don't give his choice of signings a chance? You may not rate him on what you saw at Everton, but let's see how he does at Utd before writing him off. He could still improve you know. Claiming he is shite may turn out to be true, but I don't think you can reasonably write him off as such yet. City in that form at the Etihad is simply not a fair barometer of how he can improve us. There were many worse performances than Fellaini's yesterday. Take your pick really.
Well then, we're agreed, you watched him at Everton, where he was their top 1 or 2 players (for the pedants, personally I'd put him number 1 considering he was their top scorer).
Hooray, some reasoned perspective. Well said.
And not a single hint of irony was noticed.
Impatient, self righteous hissy fits are the new patience, ain't you heard? "I for one am fully behind Moyes and I really hope I'm wrong when I say that I'm 100% convinced that he is utter shite and firmly set on turning us into Everton, all complete with Fellaini as our No 10. It will happen, there is no escape. But I'm really behind him, you know, and I pray every day that I'm wrong."
I have two mates who support Everton too and watched plenty of them. I doubted anyone here have a feck so I pretty much kept it to myself. For future reference I have also have a friend who supports Spurs and I watch games with him from time to time. Just in the event of us signing somebody shit from them I want people to know so they can't question the legitimacy of my claims.
Good for you. As I've said, everyone's been watching LOADS of Everton. I'm sure its more than just the two of us with mates who follow them, just slightly odd that it never seems to have come up before, with anyone. Yet for the past 7 years I've been oblivious to the fact that I wasn't the only one watching a large portion of Evertons games each year.
Maybe people's first thoughts on how much they watch Everton isn't to post about it on a Man Utd forum.
At his best playing in a role we don't need him, and where he played at his best yesterday.
Carrick should be in the holding role and Fellaini should be ahead of him, not the other way round. Carrick's better defensively and Fellaini's more of a goal threat.
Nope.
If someone is called out on the Caf for a really odd opinion about a player from another team, rest assured they have a cluster of mates who have watched said player since he first kicked a ball. It's one of the oldest rules of this forum.
I'm gonna point out I'm friends with some die-hard Everton fans, just in case I ever have to refer to them in a later argument.
Also, "Fellaini isn't good enough for Manchester United" wouldn't have been that odd an opinion before we were linked with him. A lot of the fans backing Fellaini would've been dying with laughter if City had signed him for 27m.
Also, "Fellaini isn't good enough for Manchester United" wouldn't have been that odd an opinion before we were linked with him. A lot of the fans backing Fellaini would've been dying with laughter if City had signed him for 27m.
I get the impression Fellaini has been told to play "clean" because I've heard him mention it a few times since he joined i.e. to cut out the constant niggly fouls and flailing elbows. I also get the impression that he doesn't know how to play any other way. Anderson's positioning is better than what I saw from Fellaini yesterday.
Special circumstances. How hard is it to understand that we were never likely to land this player for just about what he is actually worth? Whatever that is, I mean. We have shedloads of money compared to just about any team, we are keen on an Everton player, needless to say we ain't likely to get him cheaply. Release clause is just about best case scenario. We end up paying - what - four mill on top of that? That's stupid, nobody would disagree. Us being in for both the 'Fro and Baines being part of it, though, clearly. Moyes wanting them both, waiting for some deal to happen until the last. Alright, it's not how I would've played it myself, as I don't really see why Baines is all that necessary.
But the money is what the feckin' money is. If you, as United manager, want Fellaini - he's not gonna come much cheaper than his release clause under the circumstances. It's a domestic transfer, we're gonna get fleeced, that's the way it always is. So, what, in essence, is the problem here? That we could've spent the same amount on some other player, presumably better than Fellaini? Alright, that's not an insane objection.
But go along with this speculation, if you will, I don't think it's too outlandish: Fellaini was a player Moyes wanted to add to the squad from the very beginning. Not as a marquee signing, as they say, but as part of a deal that was gonna get him his two best players from his time as Everton manager. He thought those two players might come in handy. That, in itself, is not odd at all.
Nothing suggests that this was the end of his transfer ambitions, though. He also wanted a top midfielder. Someone like Cesc Fabregas, an undisputed top shelf player in his position. We ended up going for precisely Cesc, no doubt because we had been encouraged in one way or another, but the deal couldn't be done at the end of the day. Why it fell through is anyone's guess. Was it that we weren't willing to lay enough gold on the table - or that the player himself decided, finally, that he'd rather stick around, under a new manager who had (perhaps) given him reassurances his former manager hadn't. feck knows. But it dragged on and it never came to pass, eventually.
Fellaini, the poor sod, wasn't a desperation purchase. He was part of the plan from day one, one of two midfielders Moyes wanted to recruit. The other was a top notch CM, a big name even, and Moyes was told Fabregas was - in fact - available. Which he was. But it didn't work out for one reason or another. And then our last minute efforts to land someone else failed too. We ended up with just Fellaini, at that price, because we - for some reason - wanted a double deal with Baines.
Moyes wanted his two boys from Everton and one top class midfielder. He ended up with one of his boys from Everton, at 27 mill or whatever the feck it was. That means we didn't handle ourselves brilliantly in the market. But it's impossible for us to say to what extent Moyes is to blame for this.
Ah, alright. You see, the thing is that I'm curious about how people like you are going to view him? As an incredibly misguided attempt at signing a world beater or as a fairly decent midfield option compared to what we had in the first place? Just curious. He isn't going to vanish into thin air, presumably, no matter what we might think of the transaction.
Oh yeah, I wasn't really disagreeing with any of that. Somebody was suggesting that the fans criticising Fellaini were exaggerating how much they'd seen of him before hand. I was just pointing out that a lot of the pro-Fellaini fans would've been criticising another team for buying him in the same circumstances. Not saying they'd necessarily be right to do so, just that there are hypocrites on both sides of the argument.
The fee we payed for Fellaini was obviously stupid but it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. He'll improve our team in an area that desperately needed an improvement, maybe it's worth paying a premium on that. My problem is with anyone who thinks that a) he's actually worth 27m (which he clearly isn't), b) expects him to suddenly play like a top class player (which he never has been), c) thinks Carrick-Fellaini is a cm partnership we can base our future off (when it's really not up to the standard of other areas of our team), or d) acts like they always thought Fellaini would be a brilliant signing (when so many had doubts before we went for him).
It's best to forget the fee we payed and not to expect top quality from Fellaini, it's unfair to hold him to those unrealistic expectations. Just give him time to show the qualities he can bring and accept that he's just one part of our plans to bring our midfield up to a high quality. If we did that we might not hear people constantly complaining about his signing or being shocked when he doesn't play brilliantly in only his second start for the team. Between the fans who don't like him, the fans who hold his fee against him and the fans who are claiming he's the solution to our cm problems, what chance does Fellaini have?
Of course he bloody was.
There are an awful lot of so called Utd fans who really want both Moyes and Fellaini to fail
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