He's not very good going forward or defensively. He improved 2nd half but still looks like a bad buy.
Alexander Buttner | 2013/14 Performances
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You can tell he is working hard and wants to stay at the club. He has to prove himself for sure, but he needs a good run of games for that. Good game today, ran his socks off.
Whether he's good enough for us or not is of course very debatable... and from what I've seen so far from him I'd say probably not, and because that seems to be the general consensus, he's a very easy target for criticism. Credit where it's due today, he worked really hard, put himself about (he made more tackles then anyone on the pitch according to WhoScored) and generally had a decent game.
Look defensively today he was much better than before but whilst you say Nani and Kagawa were guilty of making wrong decisions today, they made a lot more better decisions and overall we know they can produce better and will do.
But you would have to say that going forward is Buttners best attribute, but I still don't think it's good enough for us. You're right in what you're saying, he will always come in for criticism but if he plays exceptionally well then I'll give him the credit he deserves. Sadly, I just don't see that happening. Can you honestly tell me he should be a united player?
...I've answered your question in the post you quoted?
Yeah I realised that after I posted. But as I'm on my phone couldn't be bothered to edit.
I think he often has a heavy first touch which means he's often trying to recover. Very willing and lots of heart but I felt he was a liability throughout the match. Felt for him - obviously trying very hard, and in doing so farted about too much with step overs and often counterproductive flicks. Froze in possession a number of times and ended up knocking it out as the only option remaining open. Good to see him get some serious time. At this point certainly not a challenger to Evra.
I don't know if it was entirely his fault, but most of their attack came through his side. So not sure if he really did have a good game.
So he's not really that shit is he?
Good, the quicker we do away with left sided right foot players the better. Our system is a trident style system and the right footers on the left just completely unbalance it. It's a case of O'Shea on the right being a left footer all over again in these cases.
Denis Irwin proved that theory wrong.
He did - and so have many others. I don't see it as a problem myself. But it might be that Moyes considers Fabio his brother's primary back-up at RB in the long run. I don't know. If Fabio actually takes the strides Rafael has we could well end up with a pair of world class fullbacks - it would be a shame not to use them both.
Büttner isn't a terrible player, by the way - and he was alright tonight, had some good tackles and interceptions. If the question is whether he is good enough to be Evra's back-up the question would seem to be...yes, sort of: If we agree that Liverpool fielded pretty much their strongest team and we won the match without the lad making a complete arse of himself - then he did his job as a mere back-up adequately. Evra doesn't need a back-up every other week - or hasn't so far. If what people mean is whether Büttner can actually cut it as a LB for Manchester United, the answer is no - but that's a different proposition to being the back-up for a player who starts more games than most.
We rarely play a left footed winger though, so in that sense I can see Moyes' logic in wanting a left footed full back to offer the width. I think we'll definitely be signing a left back in January.
Well he was a world class player. Evra is reaching the end of his career and Buttner is far form 'world class'..
Some players are just likeable even if they're a bit crap.
Gyppo's one. I like him.
Gyppo's one. I like him.
In his defence he plays one in ten games so it's going to be difficult to perform. But what makes it doubly difficult is the fact that he's utter fecking shite.
He seems a nice lad, so when we inevitably sell him for a small fee to some average European club I'll wish him all the best. But to me he's like de Laet: utterly out of his depth at this level.
He seems a nice lad, so when we inevitably sell him for a small fee to some average European club I'll wish him all the best. But to me he's like de Laet: utterly out of his depth at this level.
Reports are that he did well this morning? (Will watch the game when I can get it off the wire) Fair play then, lets not give him a chance at all, you know, just feck him off and all that.
I thought he was good too. Very lively, great on the ball, a good tackler, tough as nails. Needs to work on his positioning and he'll be fine.
He did do well - for him. However, he wasn't really tested, Henderson was awful and he had Toure at RB who didn't offer much. He did his job well, better than I thought and showed definite signs of improvement. Still way behind Fabio though in my opinion.
That's the thing with him, you watch him once and you'll learn everything you have to about him, and it's obvious he is really poor defensively, nowhere near United level, probably not even good for average premiership club defensively, no wonder only Turkish clubs wanted him on loan too.
He isn't, and never will be good enough for United.
'Was'.
Fair play, I'll come back when I've seen the match. But It's as though he's some pub player who's never played in his life in here sometimes.When you compare it to his match against us at Anfield, it's really pathetic. He can manage to run so hard, put the effort in at Anfield when the crowd is behind him. At Old Trafford, he wants nothing to do with it, so in my eyes, he was awful.'Was'.
He 'is' awful.
Definitely not his fault. Suarez usually goes more down the right than he does the left. It was also planned before hand. Büttner isn't as good as Rafael, Giggs isn't as mobile as Jones and Nani has shown he's good at tracking back whilst Kagawa is prone to cutting inside and thus being out of position. It was a tad obvious to try and go down that route but much didn't come off it. Both Büttner and Kagawa grew in the 2nd half and Giggs seemed to have found Park's supplement pills.
I definitely think that he'll never be good enough to start for us on a regular basis but squads aren't made up solely of those kind of players. He has a good attitude, works hard and provides a fine cover. I don't have a problem with him. He does the job that is asked of him. You also can't be too hard on a player that only plays 1-2 per month.
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Everybody harping on about how bad Buttner was yet in the stats for the match he made the most successful tackles. He also intercepted quite a few balls and was on hand on more than 1 occasion to head clear from a dangerous position. He did ok against a very dangerous Suarez but tired markedly in the second half in my opinion. As for somebody's statement that we "played them off the park", take your medicine son.
I thought he did ok. A bit ropy at times but lots of good stuff to.
For some reason I really like him. Very fearless, whole-hearted sort of player. Has a peach of a cross on him too, just a pity he never got to use it.
For some reason I really like him. Very fearless, whole-hearted sort of player. Has a peach of a cross on him too, just a pity he never got to use it.
He's a terrific runner with and without the ball. His left foot is quite good, and he also dribbles quite well. His defending is shambolic at times, but he saves himself with energy and pace a couple of times. I really see no reason to play him ahead of Fabio though - I was surprised (well not really) and disappointed that Büttner was chosen over Fabio!
He annoys me quite often. There was one incident where he just decided to be a winger for 5 minutes, leaving Kagawa and Giggs to stay back, even though there was no reason to.
Fabio's had a game this season, Buttner hasn't - so it makes sense from that perspective. I also imagine Fabio will be starting either this weekend or away in Donetsk... which are arguably two more important games.
Haven't watched Fabio enough at LB to be sure. On the assumption that he just needs games to be as good as twin then we'd be mad not to try and get the best out of him. Mind you, I know it's possible to have "wrong-footed" fullbacks but it's not ideal.
I personally think Fabio's future is as an understudy to his brother... i don't think he will reach Rafael's heights, but is certainly good enough to be his back-up.
I doubt that, Evra will play both games and there's no way Fabio will be starting at right back now Rafael, Smalling and Jones are all fit. I think he's out of contract this summer, and I'd be very surprised if he signs a new one, the boy needs to go and play some football. He's started 1/8 games this season, and that's with Rafael being injured.
I think people are harsh on this guy moreso because he was bought in when we already had Evra and Fabio who can play there and people obviously can't see the reason for his purchase. Most people would probably prefer SAF/Moyes give Fabio game time at LB and Buttner just takes away from that. I'm still confused by this. I know Evra's age is catching up with him and a ready made replacement like Contreao would make sense but getting in Buttner when we already have Fabio made little sense, unless Fabio is seen as Rafael's backup, but even that makes little sense as Jones and Smalling can play RB if needed.
I think Buttner would be ok in a team lower down the table. Maybe a Stoke or a Fulham but I can't see how this guy will be United Starting XI quality. Not anytime soon anyway...
I think Buttner would be ok in a team lower down the table. Maybe a Stoke or a Fulham but I can't see how this guy will be United Starting XI quality. Not anytime soon anyway...
I can't understand this criticism - he was no worse than anyone else on the pitch yesterday. He did well - his problem is that we have possibly the 2 best offensive fullbacks in the league (1-2 are up there with them) - and he isn't quite their quality. Still doesn't make him a bad player
Irwin was wrong footed, was he not? Lahm has also played very well on both sides. From what I've seen of Fabio, he crosses the ball with his left foot better than Evra. In addition, he's quite good at cutting inside and has a decent shot. His link-up play is probably 10x that of Büttner's too. All in all, I think he should get game time and be both Evra's and Rafael's understudy.
Do you think that all players should be given game time no matter? I understand your argument - just asking if you agree with it? I just see Fabio as a much greater talent than Büttner can ever dream of; sure Büttner has heart and determination, but ultimately he lacks finesse, positioning and defensive brains. It's easy to see that he's a winger playing as a fullback (as was Evra...). I do hope that we can see both twins at the pitch at the same time more often. Evra should get more rest than he has in the past.
I never want to see Buttner in the team ahead of Fabio. Fabio has the higher potential and needs all the game time he can get, be it at left or right back.
That being said, I thought Buttner did well last night. He is suspect defensively but he held his own out there, was impressed with his quality on the ball.
That being said, I thought Buttner did well last night. He is suspect defensively but he held his own out there, was impressed with his quality on the ball.
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