Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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He's been so uninspiring so far. I'm hoping Moyes has seen some endearing qualities over the years which will come to fruition at United.
Does anyone feel slightly irritated by his face/hair? It's got to the point that I feel angry having to look at him.
Yep. Looking at Fellaini you'd think he'd be at his best playing behind the striker for a lesser club. Yet both Fellaini and Moyes seem sure DM is his best position, even though it looks to me like he lacks essential qualities for that role, at least at this level. So I'm hoping Moyes has seen something in Fellaini that we haven't. It'll have to be something he didn't show during his time at Everton either though, those flaws were evident there too.
The annoying thing is that he is great at defending set pieces and he may just have been the player we needed in the box in the last 2 minutes......when Fellaini came off we actually looked worse at the back even though he looked very poor today....Im not sure Giggs was an upgrade on Fellaini when he came on.......Strange thing is that Wenger wanted him during the summer but didnt want to meet Evertons value.........Fellaini is looking like a panic buy now from Moyes.........Moyes seemed to try and buy about 6 other midfielders before he settled for Fellaini......Fellaini will have good days considering he was described as unplayable in some of the games he played in last year and scored goals in big games.....But the early signs are that he wont make it here........Fellaini has looked like a 19 year old Darren Fletcher every time he has played for us...he will come in handy as a 30 million squad player but i think thats all he will be now.....hes been worse than expected
On his performances so far I'd say there's more creativity in De Gea than Fellaini.
Sad thing for me is that he doesn't look overly bothered that he has been shit. Looks like he couldn't give a shit whether United win or loose. I was fully behind signing him and i've never been so wrong. Can't tackle, can't defend, has no pace, can't score, can't create and struggles to string a pass together. Sums up our season so far!
Play Dave in midfield, Rooney in goal and Kagawa behind van Persie. Problems sorted.
Anderson is better.
Anderson has been at the club for 6 years and some are still waiting for his breakthrough season. I think Fellaini deserves some patience too 6 weeks into his United career.
I don't even like Ando, but I'd play him ahead of Fellaini.
Tbh, I'd rather have Jones in midfield. At least he can actually move.
Tbh, I'd rather have Jones in midfield. At least he can actually move.
I'm sure you watched him often.
Fellaini is probably better than Anderson in his best position than Anderson is in his, but the problem is that we're playing a fairly average defensive/attacking mid as a central midfield role. Not only did we overpay for a fairly average player at the top level, we also bought him and now play him out of position.
He's not playing out of position. He's played there for the majority of his career. He just isn't at the level required.
I don't undersrtand the Fellaini hate today. He wasn't very good, but we looked a lot worse once he went off. I would blame Moyes and his subs more than Fellaini today. Fellaini on - Giggs off was the mistake. Or was I just seeing something different?
Januzaj and Kagawa too. Heck I would like more to see even Pearson here.
We have signed the midfielder version of Young. Who costed even more.
You're an awful bunch of twits.
Agree. Fellaini isn't good enough but he's gonna be used as a scapegoat this season, which isn't particularly fair. Still, this is what happens when you claim you want the best and end up with an overpriced, ordinary player who doesn't fit into the team. Today wasn't Fellaini's fault but he's a very easy target.
We really have made some bizarre, vastly over priced signings over the years. Berbatov, Young, Hargreaves, Fellaini...thats £92 million just there!
While Berba wasn't great, he still contributed a lot and we wouldn't have won the title without him in 2010-2011 IMO. And Hargreaves wasn't a bizarre signing, he was just unlucky with injuries. Anyway he was pivotal to our victory in UCL.
Young and Fellaini though are really bizarre signings. In the category of Carroll/Downing signings from Liverpool.
To be fair, you could argue the likes of Carrick and Rooney were overpriced at the time too, they just ended up justifying it in the long term.
£30 million for Berbatov was always going to be ridiculous. And Hargreaves already had injury problems before we spunked £17 million on him. Bayern were laughing.
Add to that the money that we've spent on Tosic, Bebe, Obertan, thats another £14 million. We've wasted a hell of a lot of money on absolute garbage over the last few years.
How could you possibly argue the most highly regarded youngster in the world being overpriced at £27m?
So they weren't overrpriced...
What the club paid for him has definitely made it too difficult for fans and pundits not to criticise his contributions. He's not showing the skills and qualities of a £28m player and that is a concern considering the fact we could've saved money by signing him a month earlier AND he would've been more settled going into the new season.
I dunno, I thought he was worth it myself. At the time there were plenty of people who thought splashing out 27m for an 18 year old was a risk though. There always is of course, I remember some people saying we paid over the odds for Ronaldo too.
Anyway, my point was sometimes you have to pay over the odds if you believe the player will justify it long term. Carrick certainly wasn't worth what we paid at the time, but we don't regret it now.
For being as big as he is he doesn't really use his size very well at all. He plays way too slow with the ball at his feet which almost makes it look like he's just being lazy most of the time. He wasn't terrible today but he didn't exactly do anything well either. He loses the ball a lot, plays it simple when he doesn't lose it, and in general just wanders around defensively not doing much of anything.
Nothing he has done has suggested to me that he should be above Cleverley in the pecking order when both are fit.
Nothing he has done has suggested to me that he should be above Cleverley in the pecking order when both are fit.
I'm not sure how he has improved us in any way. for such a big man he is beaten very easily. hope it gets better for him and us
For me the biggest problem isn't his uninspiring passes or his slow, cumbersome treatment of the ball that slows our play down.
It's the fact that he's so slow getting into position that the opposition midfield can basically walk straight through the core of our team time and time again.
It's the fact that he's so slow getting into position that the opposition midfield can basically walk straight through the core of our team time and time again.
Its not the lack of creativity that gets me. Its his inability to actually win the ball. Considering he was suppose to add "steel" to the midfield, he barely wins in tackles and is just unbelievably slow and gets dispossessed too often when pressed.
In that regard he is no better than Anderson at the moment. Cleverley is miles ahead of Fellaini at present.
For all the abuse Fellaini is getting today. These are his stats for the match as compared to Carrick
Passing:
Same passes as Carrick (55)
Same pass accuracy (84%)
Dispossed only 2 times
Defensive:
2 tackles to Carrick's 1
5 interceptions to Carrick's 4
3 clearances each
1 blocked shot to Carrick's none
So my question is. Why are so many in here acting like he spent all game gifting the ball to the opposition and exposing the team? when his statistics are almost identical to Carrick's? Are folks being too harsh or are these stats misleading?
Passing:
6
DMC
0
55
84
0
0
2
1
0
0
7.24
7
DMC
1
55
84
0
0
8
6
0
0
6.83
Same passes as Carrick (55)
Same pass accuracy (84%)
Dispossed only 2 times
Defensive:
6
DMC
2
5
3
3
1
0
1
7.24
7
DMC
1
4
3
3
0
0
1
6.83
2 tackles to Carrick's 1
5 interceptions to Carrick's 4
3 clearances each
1 blocked shot to Carrick's none
So my question is. Why are so many in here acting like he spent all game gifting the ball to the opposition and exposing the team? when his statistics are almost identical to Carrick's? Are folks being too harsh or are these stats misleading?
His passes might have reached a teammate, but the stats don't reflect the fact that they were often wayward, delayed or played with the wrong weight. It was like all our midfield play was having to get through a bottleneck.
It's both. People overreacted to his performance whilst his stats are also misleading. A successful pass recorded doesn't mean he made 55 good/right passes.
Indeed. However what I've found strange is that almost everyone ( in here and in the press) seems to be saying he gave away the ball so much. Yet his passing accuracy and number of passes is the same as Carrick's. No wonder few people trust statistics.
The thing that worries me is that usually when we sign someone who we don't think of as "United quality", I always think "well, they'll be stepping up a level here working alongside Fergie, Meuleshtheen, Phelan and the other United coaches".
Fellaini will be working with Moyes, Lumsden, Round and Neville.
That's a worry.
Fellaini will be working with Moyes, Lumsden, Round and Neville.
That's a worry.
Should we just try him behind van Persie or Rooney for one game? just to see what happens.
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