Fair play to you mate.
Who here hopes United get spanked tonight?
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I agree. And so do 99.9% of people on this forum, I'll bet. No United supporter wants Moyes to do badly - why would they? But he has to prove he can do more.
The undertone of this whole thread suggests that the vast majority of us believe we are going to get beaten! It's sign of what is happening to the club that the thread was even created...
Not me never want us to loose... But Moyes needs to go no matter the results..
I'm not 100% sure though, context and how we react to it is so important.
So if we win the next 10 games, Moyes should still go? Don't be daft.
We all remember Liverpool beating Blackburn and we needing a goal with 15 mins still to play to win the league. I always remember thinking..fair play to the pool...they were professional that day...!!
Of course not, Pogue.
Yeah. I always felt Gerrard's back pass to Drogba in 2009/10 besmirched Liverpool's traditions a bit. As much as we may have no time for LFC I think most United fans would admit they are a proper club. That back pass from Gerrard was very small time. I would expect it from plastics or a little club trying to be a nuisance like when West Ham and Sunderland rejoiced at us not winning the title in 1995 and 2012 but you look at Liverpool and, begrudingly, you expect more.
Liverpool are six off the top, they could win the league (a thought that actually makes me shiver), but I wouldn't want us to deliberately lose to anyone just to stop them becoming champions. Our season should not be built on trying to upset other clubs but winning stuff for ourselves. This is gonna sound amazingly arrogant (especially given where we are in the league) but United are bigger than that.
I don't see why anyone has to wish for United to lose. I've been in the 'don't care' sector for ages because I came to the realisation that no amount of online criticism is going to get him out of the club. So I'm just laughing and enjoying the ride.
youre correct. if we had that attitude then we have become just like the liverpool we have accused of being small time and bitter for 20 years, in one season.
?? We are not going to win the next 10 games so no need to go there..
Totally agree. If it was the last game of the season...and we needed to beat Arsenal at home for Liverpool to win the league..with us not having anything to play for. I would expect us to go out and play like demons to win in the fairness of the game and Premier League. It would bloody hurt..but I would feel so much better and so bloody arrogant in my love for united if we did the right thing.
Well don't say ridiculous things like "Moyes should go no matter the results."
I don't know what's more desperate, this thread, or the general situation at the club. I would never actually want us to lose, even not in the Pool scenario above.
oh come on..go with the flow...the Caf has never been better than this season..there are some hilarious things on here..very very entertaining. The humour has increased tenfold...
Yeah, sorry, it is indeed pretty awesome to lurk around here these days.
I'll admit to wanting us to lose, and it's to do with the bigger picture - losing a battle to win the war. The future of the club is more important than this match which is, relatively, meaningless to us. If we somehow get a positive result, then Moyes will be afforded even more time, and there'll be talk about 'platforms to build on', 'turning the corner', and 'going on a run', when the reality is, he will never be good enough and we're wasting our time here.
Right now, the situation is like staying in a relationship with someone even though you know it won't work out, because you feel it's the right/noble thing to do.
Right now, the situation is like staying in a relationship with someone even though you know it won't work out, because you feel it's the right/noble thing to do.
Like fcuk it has...
So is this a joke then?
In all honesty, if you told me a defeat tomorrow would mean the end of Moyes's tenure, yes, I will want us to lose. If it's just about losing game after game in hope it happens, then no.
We still have a chance of getting that 4th place. I know Liverpool fans are still nervous of United.
Why do we have to be so quick to give up?
Because this team has nothing on the Utd we all knew and that opponents feared.
Professional game is played a lot in the mind. A few good results could easily bring the old swagger and results back.
We're not beating Liverpool by 10 points in the last 12 games.
I want us to win the game but can't lie, there is a part of me that will be relieved if we get a tonking and Moyes gets sacked. I've completely lost faith in him. Problem is, don't think even a tonking will get him fired, so what's the point? I'm certainly not going to act all superior and judgemental of those that do want us to get a thrashing though. They have their reasons and can make a valid argument for it. I don't doubt they love United any more or less than I do.
They're no different to the scousers hoping they'd lose under Woy so he'd get the boot!
I'd love to see us beat Arsenal, and beat them well. I'd be less happy with a scraped result though. I hope that the people who matter do whatever is right for the club, which is more important than any individual, whether manager or player...or supporter.
I'd never hope for a United defeat. Losing wouldn't see Moyes lose his job anyway.
A more realistic question would be, would you take a defeat against Arsenal if it meant Moyes was sacked for sure? I think most United fans would take the loss in that instance.
I feel for Moyes, nothing is going for him and the press have turned on him now. I'd love it if he proved everyone wrong. fecking love it!
A more realistic question would be, would you take a defeat against Arsenal if it meant Moyes was sacked for sure? I think most United fans would take the loss in that instance.
I feel for Moyes, nothing is going for him and the press have turned on him now. I'd love it if he proved everyone wrong. fecking love it!
The only time a defeat would be sweet for me as a United fan would be to stop Liverpool or City winning a trophy.
Where's the Poll, did you know Pogue that you can quickly add a poll to your threads, under thread tools, click Create Poll.
If it's stupid to love Moyes at the expense of the club, then it's stupid to hate him at the expense of the club.
As much as I hate people who are trying to make the objective "keeping Moyes to win moral points regardless of what happens to the club", I would hate as much for anybody to make the objective "sacking him regardless of what happens to the club".
If Moyes can buy himself more time by beating Arsenal then he deserves it.
As much as I hate people who are trying to make the objective "keeping Moyes to win moral points regardless of what happens to the club", I would hate as much for anybody to make the objective "sacking him regardless of what happens to the club".
If Moyes can buy himself more time by beating Arsenal then he deserves it.
You're an imbecile if you hope we get spanked tomorrow for the possibility that Moyes will get sakced. An utter imbecile.
Nobody would admit it though.
I cant support a loss for United. Does not compute.
I'm Moyes' biggest critic on here (probably, there's a lot)
However, I'd love nothing more then to be proved wrong by the man. I'd even spend an evening in the company of Phil Neville. That's how badly I want him to turn it around
I think most people would not want United to lose a match even if they wanted Moyes out. It's just against what you what your club to do.
I don't think Moyes is the right man for United but I certainly don't want United to lose tomorrow and will be supporting them in the same way and hoping for a resounding win. When you actively want the team to lose you are not supporting the club. It's one of the reasons why opposition to Glazer was difficult as more miltant elements of the opposition had the sentiment they wanted United to lose to get him out. It put people's back up who were also anti Glazer.
I have always been brought up with the attitude you support the team on match day irregardless and opinions on players and management are kept for the pub either before or after the game. I suppose Internet forums are just modern extension of that. It's been 20 plus years of good times with Fergie but I think most of the match going fans would have the same attitude today. Hence the unequivocal support for Moyes at games.
I also think after all the years of taking the piss out of the fickleness of fans like City in the 90's for the Swales/Manager out stuff and teams like Chelsea more recently it will be a cold day in hell before you hear "Moyes out" chants at Old Trafford or at the the least things would have to be significantly worse than 7th place. That and Fergie's unequivocal backing of him.
For those reasons, I don't think anyone should be criticised for being vocal of their lack of faith in him as a manager on a forum like this or venting after some of the frustrations of this season. I tend not to post after games like the City thrashing, the Sunderland performance at O.T., WBA, Swansea in the cup or the Fulham game, but if I did I would wager I would not be anywhere near as reasoned as I would normally be.
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You've just called every Arsenal supporter an imbecile! I'm pretty sure everyone is else is hoping that you win.
