Its on wednesday
Who here hopes United get spanked tonight?
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He's outrageously out of his depth.
Which is sad. As said he seem to be a very nice person.
He's got Fergie's and Charlton's protection and they are two stubborn men, they won't ok his sacking at any point during his contract. I won't be surprised if he gets an extension 4-5 years down the line.
He doesn't have a slightest chance to get us to 4th, it's barely possible mathematically.
SAF and Charlton may be stubborn man but the Glazers (their record with the Buccaneers) tend to be trigger friendly. If its true that sponsors are having second thoughts then he's on his way out irrespective of what those highly rated employees think
I know. However Its fair to give him the benefit of the doubt.
If he gets us to top 4, I expect him then to throw the money-lenders out of the temple, then turn water...
You think Moyes is doing any of them any favours by dragging us down? It'll be a mercy for them if he gets the sack, if the truth is he cant handle this job. Imagine the mark on them if he stays another season or two and its exactly the same as this season. They'd start to look at bad as he does
When Glazers notice that the money's escaping through a hole in their pocket they'll wake up. While I don't think that the deficit in money will be easily visible after first year of no Europe for us, the next year it will be quite visible plus it would be a start of some long-term consequences as we'd start falling behind the English/European 'elite' even harder.
Only thing I'm worried about is that they have absolutely no clue who's a good coach and who's not and they might hire the wrong option again.
For sure. Has anyone else noticed his body language? There's an old saying in the business world: Never let them see you sweat. His demeanor on the bench is the antithesis of that good advice. Seeing terror in the eyes of the manager does the players no confidence.
TBH - and i know that this is sacrilege/anathema to a huge number of fans - i hope we get done against the Greeks, then Sam's rabble, then a hiding against Citey.
It's called a Reverse Pyrrhic victory: losses so huge, short term, in order that we win in the long term. Moyes needs to be gone in order that we get in a top, top coach/manager to get the players playing as a team within some sort of system.
Said other manager is then given the cash to spend in the Summer to carry on his vision for United's future...NOT Moyes!
It's called a Reverse Pyrrhic victory: losses so huge, short term, in order that we win in the long term. Moyes needs to be gone in order that we get in a top, top coach/manager to get the players playing as a team within some sort of system.
Said other manager is then given the cash to spend in the Summer to carry on his vision for United's future...NOT Moyes!
So very tempted to say I hope we go out to Olympiacos and City turn us over, after that Liverpool humiliation I'm done, the game felt worse to take than the Aguerroooooooo moment, for what the game symbolically summised, SAF era over, our decline and Liverpool's rise and inevitable march towards the title, having their fans celebrate like that in our stadium under the circumstances was truely gut wrenching.
I'm going to be a good little boy, keep my mouth shut everytime I get up to OT and respect SAF's last words to us, but I'm out of faith and wishing this nightmare to end, Moyes needs his P45, for the greater good of the club longterm even if it mean's enduring more misery in the short.
I'm going to be a good little boy, keep my mouth shut everytime I get up to OT and respect SAF's last words to us, but I'm out of faith and wishing this nightmare to end, Moyes needs his P45, for the greater good of the club longterm even if it mean's enduring more misery in the short.
Was thinking this earlier. He's a good manager, hard worker, classy guy who is taking this pressure with a fair amount of grace. He doesn't deserve to be in this mess or to have his reputation damaged in the way it inevitably will be. Poor guy was just way overpromoted and now he's so far out of his depth that there's absolutely nothing he can do to save himself. It's sad, especially as things will have to get worse for him before it ends. Hopefully we don't make this mistake again with the next manager, it isn't nice to see the club chewing decent people up like this.
I think thats wrong too. Moyes was given the chance in a huge position and he would always have taken it to see if he could do it. Failing wont make him a bad manager, I doubt he'll even be that sad because another smaller job will come around and he'll bounce back. He'll just be really happy he got the chance
4th is out of question now.
It was out of the question in late January....
Failing won't make him a bad manager but it will change the way he's viewed by football fans, at least until he's successful again at a smaller club. Let's be honest, he's become a bit of a joke figure at this stage, hasn't he? It isn't all that easy to fully shake this kind of high profile failure.
Plus of course he'll be sad, he'll have been a disaster at the biggest job he's ever going to get. It'd be really weird if it didn't knock him a bit.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, when Chelsea win the title, Mourinho would have done even more for United fans than he already has.
Has this ever happened outside your head?
Probably not.
You would rather we limped to the end of the season, he then spent near £100mill, and we played crap next season too?
I was just curious if this ever happened in military history, where a side got annihilated initially, and as a result of that near destruction, improved and won the war in the end.You're going easy on him, he simply isn't capable of performing to the level expected at a club like ours.
As another poster said; order of preference should be us winning and knocking out Olympiakos, or a demoralising defeat that puts Moyes' job in further jeopardy. A 1-0 or 2-1 win is pointless and would buy Moyes more time. Short-term loss for long-term gain and all that.
There have probably been such events in military history.
I was initially thinking of a certain boxer who took a pasting round after round until his opponent punched himself out; said first boxer then went on to win. He took a battering short term, to win in the long term.
Strategically, this season is done - if we lose tomorrow night. IF you think that Moyes will be a long term disaster for United, then it might be better for us to get caned so that he gets axed and we get a top class manager for the long term.
I was initially thinking of a certain boxer who took a pasting round after round until his opponent punched himself out; said first boxer then went on to win. He took a battering short term, to win in the long term.
Strategically, this season is done - if we lose tomorrow night. IF you think that Moyes will be a long term disaster for United, then it might be better for us to get caned so that he gets axed and we get a top class manager for the long term.
Pretty much this. I just feel worry for him now. His short lived celebration when we were winning against Fulham was the turning point; the celebrations were almost pathetic, it's hard not to feel sorry for him.
I mean Hodgon became England manager. Do we expect any worse of Moyes post United?
Moyes is and has been a disaster for Manchester United... the sooner he gets axed the better it is for the club. It's extremely difficult, I love European nights and want us to go far in the Champions League badly, but on the other hand going out tomorrow, losing to West Ham and getting spanked by City would surely be enough to get him sacked.
They should've sacked him straight after the Liverpool game, lift the whole club and give it a good go in the Champions League. League is gone, but every win now just delays Moyes's departure.
They should've sacked him straight after the Liverpool game, lift the whole club and give it a good go in the Champions League. League is gone, but every win now just delays Moyes's departure.
If we win, great. It'll more than likely be another false dawn though, and we'll get mauled in the next round.
If we lose, well, this is nothing new, it is Moyes Manchester United after all. He probably won't be sacked as a result anyway so I hope we win. Just to maintain some level of interest for the remainder of the season.
If we lose, well, this is nothing new, it is Moyes Manchester United after all. He probably won't be sacked as a result anyway so I hope we win. Just to maintain some level of interest for the remainder of the season.
That press conference has made me feel so uneasy. He speaks as though he's absolutely certain he won't be going anywhere.
You can't name one, can you? There's a reason, if you're pushed to the point of near destruction, it becomes infinitely harder to recover and win the overall battle, mainly because a half competent opponent will rush to finish your survivors off. In fact, armies do the opposite: minimize their losses, pending reinforcements and an improved strategy.
I'm here arguing about military strategy. This is what Moyes has done to us
This is where I'm at. I want us to smash them, absolutely smash them. But I definitely don't want to see a limp, gutless 0-0. I'd sooner see it turn poisonous and for Moyes to go the next morning.
I'm no historian but I'm guessing you will find your answer in the etymology of the phrase.
Well technically the Romans suffered losses at the hands of Phyrus. Nothing out of the ordinary.
Hodgson was seriously lucky to get that job though, wasn't he? They were only really interested in an English manager and Redknapp had done himself serious damage by that stage. Not many other candidates who fit the criteria. Plus Moyes was arguably a bigger failure here than Hodgson was at Liverpool.
Anyway, has Hodgson's reputation really recovered that much anyway? He got the job but it was hardly a universally acclaimed appointment. Going by the way the England supporters on the caf speak about him it seems he's still carrying a bit of his Liverpool reputation with him.
I'm sure Moyes will still get a good job after United but there's no way this failure doesn't linger for a while.
I guess you could sort of argue the 1916 rising in Ireland was a bit like that. Maybe.
Probably yeah, I'm just saying if Moyes does a good job at one or two smaller clubs another of the bigger PL teams will take a chance on him
I don't want us to lose at all, I hope we go through. But, it honestly just feels like it's delaying the inevitable if it happens. The inevitable being us getting destroyed in the next round, most likely losing to City, and Moyes getting fired or stepping down.
Do you honestly think that SAF and Bobby Charlton would want to spend their twilight years watching their beloved United struggling in the doldrums with no European nights to look forward to. And for that matter do you really think billionaires like the Glazers are going to sit back and watch their golden egg melt away? Or people like Woodward lose their well paid job all because of a loser like Moyes? No way.