Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances

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Lu Tze said:
Did he choose his price tag?
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The price tag indicates that he is a starter. Or at least that's how much an average manager estimated an average player.

For that expectations Fellaini is clearly not up to for United, or any big team for the matter.

Your example is way off because the players you mentioned were brought in as backup players for a little fee (with the exception of Tymoshuk, but he again cost nearly 2.5 times less than him and is much better DM than him).

If you are to compare him with others they should be:

Fernandinho, Matic, Ramires, Javi Martinez, etc...
 
Lu Tze said:
He will likely never justify his price tag, but it shouldn't be used as a stick to beat him with throughout his United career. It's just pointless. Clearly we overpaid, but that is not on Fellaini's head, it is on Moyes and Ed Woodward's.

He can go on to become a good squad member, and he will be especially useful playing in a 3 man midfield or against the lower half of the table. He could also be solid enough if he was deployed as a holding midfielder with a more mobile partner next to him. Either of these scenarios would be infinitely better times to judge him than asking him to somehow elevate the performance of the whole team against Liverpool and City, something which will never be his game.
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So you are basically saying he will be an average player. Then he will be termed as a failure 'cause of the amount we spent on him. It's unfortunate as his fee was not dictated by him and from what I heard, he even forego his loyalty bonus because he wanted this move to stick. But that is how it will look and pan out.
A player's success will always be mapped against his fee. If we had paid 10 million for him, doubt anyone would be too upset. As it turns out, we paid for him to be a first team regular who can prove to be a vital cog in most games but he has failed so far in that barring the odd games against cannon fodder.
 
NK86 said:
So you are basically saying he will be an average player.
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No, I'm saying he will go on to be a good squad member for the next 5/6 years. Anderson cost practically as much as him, he's underperformed throughout his entire United career and never generated this much hate. Hargreaves cost us £17m... Fellaini will prove to be a far more reliable and useful squad member than either of them. So try to not blame him for his transfer fee, and we'll see whether he can be an asset to us in the future. I think he can.
 
Lu Tze said:
No, I'm saying he will go on to be a good squad member for the next 5/6 years. Anderson cost practically as much as him, he's underperformed throughout his entire United career and never generated this much hate. Hargreaves cost us £17m... Fellaini will prove to be a far more reliable and useful squad member than either of them. So try to not blame him for his transfer fee, and we'll see whether he can be an asset to us in the future. I think he can.
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Yeah, Anderson came as one of the most promising youngsters while Hargreaves came as a pedigree European player. Compare that to Fellaini, who many people had seen for more than 3 years and did not want him near our club.
Moreover, I maintain that he could be a decent squad player but will even then be considered a failed investment due to amount he cost. That's how it always works. You cannot see the performance in isolation. You also have to see what you had to shell out to get the overall picture. Not just while judging how a player has fared but in any market for any product, this rule applies.
 
Talking Vulture said:
Fellaini - £ for £ the worst signing in United's history. And I include Bebe in that. What a clusterfeck of a purchase.
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Agreed. At least Bebe was an unknown and he might have turned out good, we couldn't possibly tell at that point. With Fellaini we knew exactly what we were getting, that makes it much worse.
 
He will prove himself a decent signing when he gets the competent partner he needs.

I have no doubt he as it in him to be a strong DM in the next few years.
 
Talking Vulture said:
Fellaini - £ for £ the worst signing in United's history. And I include Bebe in that. What a clusterfeck of a purchase.
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Ridiculously early to be making statements like that - barely played 10/15 games yet. Give the bloke a chance FFS.

He was poor against City, but then who wasnt?
Has had several decent performances for us this season, but people only seem to remember the last one.
 
Rood said:
Ridiculously early to be making statements like that - barely played 10/15 games yet. Give the bloke a chance FFS.

He was poor against City, but then who wasnt?
Has had several decent performances for us this season, but people only seem to remember the last one.
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Several decent performances? Name them, because he hasn't. It was a poor transfer, over priced etc. He is slow, clumsy and has no redeemable features. Never a United player in a million years
 
Now what? Did he really spit on Zabaleta after he elbowed him?

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If so, he's an utter cnut. We've had our fair share of cnuts here, but guess what, they've all been great players, Fellaini on the other hand is a useless cnut. Why oh why did we buy this joker of a player?
 
Floyd said:
Now what? Did he really spit on Zabaleta after he elbowed him?

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If so, he's an utter cnut. We've had our fair share of cnuts here, but guess what, they've all been great players, Fellaini on the other hand is a useless cnut. Why oh why did we buy this joker of a player?
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Here is the actual video.

As you can see, the answer is no, there are 2 possibilities

A: Something was thrown

B. Fellaini spat a few feet to the side of Zabaleta.

Either one is completely fine.
 
Fellaini isn't coming into a new league. For a £27m player you expect someone who can dominate games. Who can score goals. He has done none of that.
 
Going by what little evidence we have it seems that Moyes' targets last summer were Fabregas, Baines and Fellaini. In that order too, I think. Fellaini wasn't meant to dramatically strengthen our CM - that was Fabregas' role. And if we had landed those three targets I don't think there would've been much moaning about Fellaini. He would've been regarded as a decent alternative in the middle (which he is) who had his first season with us severely hampered by injuries.

The price tag and the fact that we didn't land the primary CM target have turned people against him. Add to that the general discontent with the man who bought him - and who was his boss at Everton - and there we are. Unreasonable views on a player who can clearly be useful for us.
 
Talking Vulture said:
Several decent performances? Name them, because he hasn't.
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Off the top of my head - Everton, Sociedad, Palace, WBA - maybe 1 or 2 others as well.
He is mentioned often in the MOTM threads for these matches so it is not just my opinion either.
 
Bojan11 said:
So why did he spit next to someone who was on the floor? Why not spit in another direction?
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He needed to spit. He didn't spit on anybody. He spat on the grass.

It's hardly the bloody Zapruder film is it?
 
Talking Vulture said:
Well that's changed my opinion of him. He's played well v Palace & West Brom and a shite team in the champs lge that earned 1 point.

Everton is debatable
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well the point is that there have been decent performances from Fellaini for us whereas you claimed there hadnt - add to that the fact that he was carrying an injury, settling into a new club and whole team have been generally shite all season

At least wait until he has played a decent amount of games for us before making idiotic statements about worst signing ever etc
 
Lu Tze said:
Here is the actual video.

As you can see, the answer is no, there are 2 possibilities

A: Something was thrown

B. Fellaini spat a few feet to the side of Zabaleta.

Either one is completely fine.
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Granted, I saw the video on my phone, but I don't understand how you could say that, it's hardly conclusive to say the least.
There is absolutely a third possibility.

C: Fellaini the dirty scumbag spat straight at Zabaleta, right after elbowing him.
 
#07 said:
This still irritates me a lot.



Scholes called it. Frankly, under a better manager Fellaini wouldn't be near the first XI (he would never have been signed!)
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WTF does Scholes know about coaching, he has managed 0 games on professional level and he knows shit. The guy is a good footballer and he can pick out a pass and kick a ball, I suggest he sticks to that because for the rest he knows shit.
 
Big money flops happen all the time (Torres, Veron, Poborski, Shevchecnko, A. Young etc) but these players have not had as hard time as Fellaini because they were in teams doing pretty good even with these dead weights but Fellaini is unlucky as he is in a team doing shit, and seems to be an extension of the man who is making United a laughing stock.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
WTF does Scholes know about coaching, he has managed 0 games on professional level and he knows shit. The guy is a good footballer and he can pick out a pass and kick a ball, I suggest he sticks to that because for the rest he knows shit.
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And he's still won as many trophies as David Moyes. He's just won nothing as a manager without even trying.
 
I don't really know how it's being defended, I don't care about examples of other players being nasty, in the last 4 games Fellaini should have been sent off against West Brom and City and could have been sent off against West Ham. Whether he's a thug or not isn't the issue for me, the fact he's a moronic liability who continually makes ridiculous challenges in dangerous areas, including some he should be sent off for, is. Roy Keane got sent off quite a bit, but he was twice the player Fellaini is, so we had to put up with it. Paul Scholes was exceptionally rash but he was one of the greatest midfielders of his generation, so we had to put up with it. It's highly debatable whether Fellaini is good enough for where we want to be, adding the fact he's a walking red card into the equation just damns him even more. Despite all the woeful results this season, the fact Moyes, who knew everything there was to know about Fellaini, thought him good enough to be the mainstay of his Manchester United midfield is still my biggest worry going forward. Our performances have mitigating circumstances which vindicate Moyes to some extent, but I can't justify the Fellaini signing, unless he was brought in as a squad player, which is unlikely considering the price.
 
Talking Vulture said:
Fellaini - £ for £ the worst signing in United's history. And I include Bebe in that. What a clusterfeck of a purchase.
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I think your head is a fecking clusterfeck if you are serious about this.

Bébé was a homeless guy that never had a serious football eduction. A team from the second division in Portugal offered the player around for months for no more than £125.000, PSV even rejected him for free because they knew nothing about it. Finally a team from the third division in Portugal signed him for free. A week later Manchester United spend out of nowhere £7m on this guy. SAF hasn't seen him play once, he knows absolutley nothing about him, yet he spends £7m on a guy that is completley new to professional football and hasn't featured higher than Portugese second division for a season (without doing great there) and was available for free no more than a couple of weeks earlier.

This is one of the most bizarre transfers in world football and it stinks like money laundering and if it isn't than it is by far the most amateuristic and miserable signing made ever by a top club. There was no way of knowing he was good enough or he could come good, we had absolutley no idea who we were we signing for that kind of money besides the fact that he lacked formal training and experience on the professional level and that alot of lesser clubs didn't even want him for free. How this guy was permitted to play for this club I don't know but it is a ridiculous transfer and you are calling Fellaini even more ridiculous...

Fellaini is a proper footballer, plenty of experience in the PL, been considered Everton's best player for many seasons , also a proper international and he attracted interests with his performances from Chelsea, Arsenal and Manchester United. The guy is not a £27.5 million player, we overpaid, deal with it but that doesn't make him a worse player than for example Bébé. He has been one of the more usefull players to us (since he came back from injurry) which can't be said from for example Carrick (who is still not getting any critics, yet he is been one of the consistent worst players on the pitch for an entire season. He may not be exactly what we needed, but the guy is a United player now and he is applying himself so the least a United supporter could do is supporting him a bit in this instead of hammering on a single negative point making him look like the worst player on the planet and saying ridiculous stuff like he is even worse than Bébé. Mata currently also isn't playing like a £37.5M player, Kagawa hasn't been the player he was at Dortmund from the moment he transferred to this club and occasionally looked out of his depth in the PL. The fact is alot of players (almost all) are struggling right now in the team, Fellaini is not exception to that. But he is a far better and more usefull player than alot of people are giving him credit for and it is becoming a bit unfair picking him out as a scapegoat for every bad performance of the team.

The guy isn't a £27.5m midfielder and he probably isn't the kind of player you like to see or wanted at United (physical and unrefined instead of a midfield maestro). But he amount of stick he has been getting from our fans has been ridiculous, truely embarassing stuff to be honest.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
WTF does Scholes know about coaching, he has managed 0 games on professional level and he knows shit. The guy is a good footballer and he can pick out a pass and kick a ball, I suggest he sticks to that because for the rest he knows shit.
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Honestly??
 
Dirty Schwein said:
We shouldn't be stooping to Liverpool standards.
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right now its far above the standards on here
Enigma_87 said:
The price tag indicates that he is a starter. Or at least that's how much an average manager estimated an average player.

For that expectations Fellaini is clearly not up to for United, or any big team for the matter.

Your example is way off because the players you mentioned were brought in as backup players for a little fee (with the exception of Tymoshuk, but he again cost nearly 2.5 times less than him and is much better DM than him).

If you are to compare him with others they should be:

Fernandinho, Matic, Ramires, Javi Martinez, etc...
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We play 50 games a year and more some seasons, so what if fellaini gets over run in 8 of them vs the best four teams, so what if he can't play in 16 of them? He's so useful vs a lot of sides, as he's shown
 
Sir Matt said:
And he's still won as many trophies as David Moyes. He's just won nothing as a manager without even trying.
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Well first of all that isn't true, Scholes has 0 trophies while Moyes has the football league second division title he won at Preston north end and he also won the community shield last summer with United.

And if that is your kind of reasoning that Scholes must be as good of a manger because he hasn't won shit without even trying, that I myself or you or everybody here on the caf or even a chimpansee must be a better coach because the same applies to them.
 
£7m is an acceptable punt, it's not like we were buying him to come straight into the first team. However to waste £27.5m on trying to strengthen a problem area and end up with no tangible positive impact is criminal.

Honestly, between Fletcher, Carrick, Giggs and Jones, what does Fellaini offer that we don't have here?

You can say that he didn't choose his price tag, fair enough, but a) he's not good enough and b) that's less money to spend on genuine talent. I hope that he makes me eat my words but I don't think he will.
 
haha the scholes argument is hilarious. this forum is funny. you debate with people and assume they know something about football, and then they say scholes is as good a manager as moyes and you realise that they have an IQ of 14
 
Marouane Fellaini: FA requests 'spit' footage of Man Utd player
The Football Association has requested further TV footage to establish whether Marouane Fellaini spat at Pablo Zabaleta during the Manchester derby.

Footage on the internet showed United's Fellaini standing over Zabaleta during the 3-0 loss at Old Trafford.

The video suggested Fellaini spat at the Manchester City defender.

The FA feels there is insufficient evidence from that posting to warrant bring a charge and is trying to find out if there are any clearer images.

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Marouane Fellaini is booked after catching Pablo Zabaleta in the face with his forearm

Should such evidence be forthcoming, the FA would then need to decide whether to charge the Manchester United midfielder.

Last week, Hull forward George Boyd was banned for three games after being found guilty of spitting at Manchester City keeper Joe Hart.

Immediately prior to the alleged spit, Fellaini caught Zabaleta in the face with his forearm. Fellaini was booked for the clash, although many observers believed the incident warranted a red card.

United went on to lose the game 3-0, with Fellaini again a peripheral figure.

Moyes has since come under huge pressure, with some fans raising enough money to have a light aircraft tow a banner over the stadium ahead of Saturday's Premier League encounter with Aston Villa bearing the words: "Wrong One: Moyes Out".

Fellaini's lack of success since his £27.5m move from Moyes's old club Everton in September is viewed as one of the major negatives in the Scot's short reign so far.
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Jaapster said:
Honestly??
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Yea he knows shit about coaching, Well he'll probably known more than I do but he'll know a heck of alot less than for example Moyes who has tons of experience more than him on the matter, especially concerning Fellaini since he has worked with him for years. So yea Scholes says a better manager wouldn't play Fellaini in the XI, I say wtf does he know about it.
 
Eugenius said:
£7m is an acceptable punt, it's not like we were buying him to come straight into the first team. However to waste £27.5m on trying to strengthen a problem area and end up with no tangible positive impact is criminal.

Honestly, between Fletcher, Carrick, Giggs and Jones, what does Fellaini offer that we don't have here?

You can say that he didn't choose his price tag, fair enough, but a) he's not good enough and b) that's less money to spend on genuine talent. I hope that he makes me eat my words but I don't think he will.
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£7m is an acceptable punt, its also £7m less to spend, because Bébé is absolute trash that doesn't even know how to play the game properly because he never had a professional eduction as a footballer and if we wanted to take a punt on him we could have signed him for free a couple of weeks earlier.

Fellaini offers more for his £27.5M than Bébé ever will for his £7m to say otherwhise is just ridiculous. Fellaini is an overpaid decent footballer, Bébé is a £7m homeless amateur.

Well for one he is a far better passer than Jones, he offers more defensively than Giggs, he is more mobile and forward thinking than Carrick (and actually finds himself several times in a game in a goal scoring postion, and it is just a matter of time before he starts scoring) and unlike Fletcher the guy is actually fit and capable of playing 90 minutes several times per week. This season he has been far more usefull than any of these players in the midfield (including Cleverley for that matter). Does that make him a £27.5 Million player, no it doesn't, however does make him alot more usefull than alot on here are giving him credit for.

You can start accepting he is here, forget about the price tag, try looking at positives and supporting him, hoping that he'll find his form again he had at Everton or you can just bitch about every little detail you don't like about him until the end of times.
 
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