United linked with van Gaal in the meeja

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It's actually going to be funny if he comes. Here's a guy who has this vision of technical football with getting everyone well drilled into playing as a unit, and then there's the polar opposite off that - the united team of 2014.
 
Sky1981 said:
LVG won the Champion's League with an 80% of Ajax Home Grown Products

Kluivert, Van Der Sar, Litmanen, Bogarde, Seedorf, Davids, Overmars, De Boer x 2, Danny Blind, Hoekstra, Babangida, many more

He trust youth alright
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that was a once in a lifetime crop though, much like our class of 92
 
Is that about Simeone?

If so,then it's not one season.

In his first season with Athletico, he won the Europa League. In his second, he won the supercup by beating Chelsea, the copa del ray and finished 3rd with athletico, their highest la liga finish for 17 years. And in his third season he's got them challenging for the league and for the cl, with a possibility of winning both but least getting very close in both competitions.

He's had a brilliant brilliant start to his managerial career and saying it's one season is unfair.
 
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/van-gaal-eyes-keane-as-united-sidekick-266256.html


Van Gaal eyes Keane as United sidekick

Louis Van Gaal’s prospective appointment as the new Manchester United manager this summer could spell bad news for the FAI as the Dutchman is looking towards having Roy Keane as his assistant, the Irish Examiner understands.

The 62-year-old veteran will only accept the chance of fulfilling his ambition to manage in England if he’s got a sidekick to work alongside that is familiar with the terrain.

While Ryan Giggs, installed as manager yesterday in place of the sacked David Moyes on a temporary basis, would appear to meet the criteria, Van Gaal is understood to favour a fresh voice and someone with at least some level of managerial experience behind him.

The former Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Ajax coach has been a long-time admirer of Keane, both during his playing career and brief foray into management.

In 2001, Van Gaal stood forlornly on the Lansdowne Road sideline as the midfielder’s man-of-the-match performance proved integral to a 1-0 victory Ireland secured which ended the World Cup qualifying ambitions of his Dutch side.

The choice by the notoriously aloof Dutchman of Keane, who skippered Manchester United during their most decorated ever period during the late nineties, would meet with approval of a fanbase desperately craving the restoration of principles which underpin the club’s successful tradition.

The obvious barriers to Keane’s United return are not insurmountable.

His bitter fallout with former manager and current director Alex Ferguson will not be a showstopper as Van Gaal is to have carte blanche on his backroom staff.

Nor too will be the Corkman’s employment as Martin O’Neill’s assistant of the Ireland team.

O’Neill has openly acknowledged the existing risk of losing his companion to club duties, albeit maybe not within only seven months of the dream duo taking charge of the Republic’s football future.

The €1 million compensation package due to the FAI for the remainder of Keane’s two-year contract is a pittance of an outlay to the Glazer family in the context of potential returns accruable from getting this appointment right.

The FAI last night refused to comment on Keane’s possible departure.

Keane, now 42, is pragmatic enough to realise this may be his best chance of eventually reaching the Old Trafford hot seat.

Having ended his 12-and-a-half-year association with the club in 2005 under a cloud, it is ironic that the club’s lowest ebb in 28 years might be the making of him.

The Irishman certainly struck a chord with the frustrations of United fans when speaking on television last night about the sacking of Moyes.

In typical Keane fashion, he cited the on-field substandard displays of players — rather than the management on the sidelines — for the club’s woes. “I think some of the players at Manchester United should be ashamed of themselves,” blasted Keane on ITV.

“I think they have really let him (Moyes) down. I think it is a shame because I think he should have been given more time.

“He certainly had a hard start when he took the job.

“I think the chief executive didn’t get the deals done that he wanted. There was a lot of negativity.

“He had a slow start and no momentum.”

Keane passed up the opportunity to continue his public fed with Ferguson, absolving his former mentor of blame for choosing Moyes as his successor.

He said: “I wouldn’t necessarily say it was his (Ferguson’s) pick, obviously he put his (Moyes) name forward but the club had to make the decision. You can’t be critical of Alex Ferguson.

“For David Moyes to be seventh in the league is disappointing and he takes responsibility for that. But you still need good people around you to help you in any way they can.

“I don’t think he’s had that support, particularly from the players. I think he should have got a bit more time — definitely.”

The fact Van Gaal will be in Brazil with Holland for the World Cup this summer will not be an obstacle to the Dutchman taking over.

His hopes of becoming United’s next boss were boosted by Borussia Dortmund coach Jurgen Klopp and Bayern Munich boss Pep Guardiola swiftly ruling themselves out of the running.

“Man United is a great club and I feel very familiar with their wonderful fans. But my commitment to Borussia Dortmund and the people is not breakable,” Klopp said.

Pep Guardiola was considered when Ferguson retired last summer, but the Spaniard went to Bayern Munich, where he intends to remain.

“I want to stay at Bayern for two more years,” Guardiola said.

In the short-term Giggs is expected to be assisted by Nicky Butt, who is currently in charge of the U19s and also coaches the reserves.

Phil Neville and Chris Woods remain in their posts as first-team coaches, but Steve Round and Jimmy Lumsden — both brought in by Moyes last summer — have been fired.

A throng of camera crews and photographers turned up at the AON Training Complex, but they had missed Moyes, who slipped in during the early hours of yesterday morning.

Moyes was sacked shortly after 8am, but the 50-year-old remained at the training ground for a few hours so he could thank and say goodbye to his players.

He then left via the back exit away from the cameras.

The list of unwanted records broken by Moyes is as embarrassing as it is long.

United are guaranteed to end the season with their worst points total in Premier League history, they have failed to qualify for the Champions League for the first time in almost two decades while Moyes’ home record is the worst of any United boss since 1978 when Dave Sexton was in charge.

As a result Moyes will go down in history as the third shortest serving United boss behind Walter Crickmer and Lal Hilditch.
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Pure speculation but it would be an interesting development to say the least if it were true. Personally I think it would be great.
 
With Van Gaal known to be an outspoken nutcase, surely his assistant would need to be a more reserved good cop to LVG's bad cop.

Van Gaal & Keane would just be mad cop-psycho cop the players would be walking on egg shells. Can't see how that would work not that i believe it for a second mind.
 
stevoc said:
With Van Gaal known to be an outspoken nutcase, surely his assistant would need to be a more reserved good cop to LVG's bad cop.

Van Gaal & Keane would just be mad cop-psycho cop the players would be walking on egg shells. Can't see how that would work not that i believe it for a second mind.
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From his brief stint in the Ireland job as assistant he's seemed a much more relaxed presence. Of course it's another world entirely being assistant at United but I don't think he's as crazy as is made out at times - he's honest which a manager would value greatly. He knows his place as assistant and from what the players say he's great to work with in that role - even quite humorous.

But like you say, it's very hard to believe he'd end up in the position.
 
What are the parameters for the list exactly? Bit confused as to why Riquelme is on there.
 
stevoc said:
With Van Gaal known to be an outspoken nutcase, surely his assistant would need to be a more reserved good cop to LVG's bad cop.

Van Gaal & Keane would just be mad cop-psycho cop the players would be walking on egg shells. Can't see how that would work not that i believe it for a second mind.
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Yeah, doesn't seem workable. Giggs would be a much more realistic choice if Van Gaal wanted someone that knows the club, you'd think. Still, you'd not get anyone slacking off.
 
All these reports of how the players were treating Moyes and how Kagawa was smiling whilst arriving late to the airport makes me want LVG even more. Fergie ruled with a iron fist.

LVG would do even more. Add Keane to it and players would say nothing. If there was a team leak, I can imagine LVG sending Keane around to collect the phones and checking every text.
 
Keenst said:
From his brief stint in the Ireland job as assistant he's seemed a much more relaxed presence. Of course it's another world entirely being assistant at United but I don't think he's as crazy as is made out at times - he's honest which a manager would value greatly. He knows his place as assistant and from what the players say he's great to work with in that role - even quite humorous.

But like you say, it's very hard to believe he'd end up in the position.
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Yeah been following him since he joined with oneil, does seem more calm but its a different game international football he wouldn't see the player every day.

I suspect being back at united it wouldn't be long before he fell back into old routines, in his time here he was the dressing room enforcer i fear he would fall back into that quickly.
 
stevoc said:
Yeah been following him since he joined with oneil, does seem more calm but its a different game international football he wouldn't see the player every day.

I suspect being back at united it wouldn't be long before he fell back into old routines, in his time here he was the dressing room enforcer i fear he would fall back into that quickly.
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It would also be awkward with Carrick whose missus had a few words to say about Keane.

If LVG wants to bring a legend with him. Why not Stam, RVN or VDS? Three legends who know the club. I wouldn't mind Rene back.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Not great for Ireland though. I would be pretty divided about that. Afterall, we've only just got started with the dream duo...

As you say - its pure speculation & seems so far-fetched to be honest. We'll see...
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Not great for Ireland indeed; I'd be torn on that front.
 
Bojan11 said:
It would also be awkward with Carrick whose missus had a few words to say about Keane.

If LVG wants to bring a legend with him. Why not Stam, RVN or VDS? Three legends who know the club. I wouldn't mind Rene back.
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Yeah Keane would be a disaster waiting to happen, anyway won't happen while SAF is still around.

If Van Gaal does come in, i think Giggs, bring back Rene and maybe another who LVG is used to working with would be a good coaching set up.

Would be much more respected that the mopey bunch we had with Moyes anyway.
 
Keane's place is back at United. Much like Eric's. The man is just a born winner. But a pairing of him and Van Gaal, seems too combustible. Giggs as Assistant Manager all day long for me.
 
His history of being a nutcase may be off-putting, but if rumors of players falling out and being indisciplined under Moyes is true, then that personality may be exactly what we need to straighten that out. He also has won trophies before and wealth of experience as a manager so he'll command more experience than Moyes will.
 
stevoc said:
Yeah been following him since he joined with oneil, does seem more calm but its a different game international football he wouldn't see the player every day.

I suspect being back at united it wouldn't be long before he fell back into old routines, in his time here he was the dressing room enforcer i fear he would fall back into that quickly.
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You never know what you get with Keane as a manager etc.. but i've been amazed by his transformation of late - much of that is down to O'Neill in my opinion. O'Neill is very charismatic & funny, but also very driven. He's a pure football man & a calming influence with those around him. Still cant believe we finally got him as our manager.

Thats got to have rubbed off on Keane & dare i say it - Van Gaal & Keane at United could be a masterstroke!

Oh & by the way - have you upgraded that tent to a penthouse suite yet man? ;)
 
stevoc said:
Yeah Keane would be a disaster waiting to happen, anyway won't happen while SAF is still around.

If Van Gaal does come in, i think Giggs, bring back Rene and maybe another who LVG is used to working with would be a good coaching set up.

Would be much more respected that the mopey bunch we had with Moyes anyway.
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I like the idea of the Dutch set up.

Moyes/Round to Van Gaal/Rene - it's a striking up turn in quality and reputation.
 
stevoc said:
With Van Gaal known to be an outspoken nutcase, surely his assistant would need to be a more reserved good cop to LVG's bad cop.

Van Gaal & Keane would just be mad cop-psycho cop the players would be walking on egg shells. Can't see how that would work not that i believe it for a second mind.
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I agree. If we get LVG then we need Giggs. If we get Anchelotti then Keane. Balance in the force. Also known as good parenting.
 
stevoc said:
With Van Gaal known to be an outspoken nutcase, surely his assistant would need to be a more reserved good cop to LVG's bad cop.

Van Gaal & Keane would just be mad cop-psycho cop the players would be walking on egg shells. Can't see how that would work not that i believe it for a second mind.
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Fergie was no shrinkin violet - neither was Sir Matt, but they had the cooling assistants in Jimmy Murphy for Sir Matt & too many to mention with Fergie - Queiroz being the obvious one of course..

I think Keano has turned over a new leaf though man. He's not angry anymore it seems. He still speaks what he thinks & over the past while - i've become to enjoy him again. He's winnin over the Irish people that referred to him as a traitor & that says something from where i'm from.

O'Neill & Keane as a duo, were on the list for the Forest job. Not sure if they got approached, but if they did - they must have turned it down out of loyalty to Ireland, so i'm not so sure Keane would jump ship when he & Marty are just gettin started & all the goodwill he's gained since the dream team began!

Cant believe i'm havin this feckin conversation to be honest - WTF LIKE :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Wtf are you doing in China dude (if thats for real) & i hope your drinkin the shit out of suncream?! You know us Irish fellas get burned lookin at holiday brochures ffs!
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Well everyone else was leaving so I might as well too! I'm here for 6 months teaching English, going home to do a Masters in September. Suncream is optional from my experience over here, the smog does a great job of screening the UV rays. Guangzhou Evergrande are my new adopted side, Marcelo Lippi's in charge.
 
Keenst said:
I like the idea of the Dutch set up.

Moyes/Round to Van Gaal/Rene - it's a striking up turn in quality and reputation.
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van gaal/rene/giggsy and surely van gaal would bring in a couple of dutch coaches. that would be a huge upgrade from moyes/round/lumsden for sure.
 
I can't believe out of all the impressive CVs out there we really go for Moyes.

I mean, seriously... Ancelotti, Mourinho, forget pep/klopp, Louis Van Gaal, even to the lesser extent Martinez, Pochettino, Laudrup, Simeone, all fresh air and guaranteed a new start, we chose Moyes.
 
Sky1981 said:
I can't believe out of all the impressive CVs out there we really go for Moyes.

I mean, seriously... Ancelotti, Mourinho, forget pep/klopp, Louis Van Gaal, even to the lesser extent Martinez, Pochettino, Laudrup, Simeone, all fresh air and guaranteed a new start, we chose Moyes.
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I'd have preferred Moyes to them three. Not the others though, obviously.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
You never know what you get with Keane as a manager etc.. but i've been amazed by his transformation of late - much of that is down to O'Neill in my opinion. O'Neill is very charismatic & funny, but also very driven. He's a pure football man & a calming influence with those around him. Still cant believe we finally got him as our manager.

Thats got to have rubbed off on Keane & dare i say it - Van Gaal & Keane at United could be a masterstroke!

Oh & by the way - have you upgraded that tent to a penthouse suite yet man? ;)
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Would scare the living daylights out of any player power!
 
I can't believe that Keane article. Getting him in would instantly increase the risk factor. I don't care how mellow he has become with Ireland, the guy can explode at any time. I don't see how he would help Van Gaal either considering he's been out of the club for so long. Someone like Giggs has far more knowledge on what is going on at the club.
 
Van Gaal is known for his cigar smoking arrogance, it'll be very very unlikely that he'll enlist Roy Keane as his assistant. Doesn't he work with Blind and Kluivert nowadays?
 
kps88 said:
I can't believe that Keane article. Getting him in would instantly increase the risk factor. I don't care how mellow he has become with Ireland, the guy can explode at any time. I don't see how he would help Van Gaal either considering he's been out of the club for so long. Someone like Giggs has far more knowledge on what is going on at the club.
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They're the only paper I've seen even suggest it's a possibility. It's no coincidence that it's an Irish paper too, they know people will want to read a story like that. It's an interesting idea though imo, even if that is all it is.
 
Keenst said:
Well everyone else was leaving so I might as well too! I'm here for 6 months teaching English, going home to do a Masters in September. Suncream is optional from my experience over here, the smog does a great job of screening the UV rays. Guangzhou Evergrande are my new adopted side, Marcelo Lippi's in charge.
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Not everyone man!

I'm not havin a dig at you personally & i think its fantastic you're broadening your horizons. Go & see the world & experience all that life offers you my man. But come back. I've done it & i dont see an end to my travels. Never will either!

Irish folk in recent times have just used the Country & have no loyalty to it. The amount of ex-pats that "came home" during the boom was huge & then when the shit hit the fan in 2008 - they feckin buggered off again. The same folk then shite on in other countries about their Irishness & how great a country it is - yet dont wanna live there because times are tough. I've been all over the world & heard the same shite from folk about their countries - they're a walkin Tourist Information Centre.

Yet when i ask them: "if your country is so great - why the feck are you running away from it?"

I always get the same old spiel - "it was doin my head in to be honest.." :lol:

Enjoy your stay, bring back what you've learned & make the country grow. Ireland's a rough diamond & it does my head in that folk by-pass its unique qualities as a people & a way of being. There's no place like home aul han!
 
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