United linked with van Gaal in the meeja

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I don't see how this ends well. Van Gall isn't a good fit for United at all and it's blatantly clear that zero thought or planning has been put into choosing him.

It's embarassing.

According to De Telegraaf the suggestion is that they've been in talks since December.
 
I didn't say you said that. :) It's more of a question targeted towards Rooney's character because I'm sure he will react very badly if he was promised being captain under Moyes and it's taken away from him by Van Gaal. I just think that as a club we need to establish a line and when he crosses it, that's it with him.
Yeah, in a perfect world hed keep his gob shut and get on with it.
Maybe we'll offload in summer.
 
The suggestion from De Telegraaf is that talks have been long on-going.

Which is all the more concerning as ideally we should have been trying to get the very best candidates if indeed we were looking at a managerial change since then
 
According to De Telegraaf the suggestion is that they've been in talks since December.

Yeah but that woould be obvious bullshit.

United's season didn't even go into full decline until a month or two after that.

And again, if they started looking in December, and only had one guy on their shortlist, why would nothing have happened until now? Allowing our season to move into a disaster with a manager who you already know you're getting rid of...What kind of way to run a club would that be?
 
Which is all the more concerning as ideally we should have been trying to get the very best candidates if indeed we were looking at a managerial change since then

This guy is about as good as was possible to get. I can't think who else you might have gone for.
 
This guy is about as good as was possible to get. I can't think who else you might have gone for.

Klopp or Ancelotti, if we were really working since then, we could have tried to get a (somewhat hefty) compensation agreed with their clubs
 
Yeah but that woould be obvious bullshit.

United's season didn't even go into full decline until a month or two after that.

And again, if they started looking in December, and only had one guy on their shortlist, why would nothing have happened until now? Allowing our season to move into a disaster with a manager who you already know you're getting rid of...What kind of way to run a club would that be?

I agree to a certain extent. But, it's the way football clubs are run nowadays, not only at United. I can only guess that it was United's intention to keep Moyes until the end of the season. But once The Daily Torygraph broke the story on Monday United had no choice but to hurry things through with them being on the NY stock exchange and not wanting to risk a mega fine by the US authorities.
 
Klopp or Ancelotti, if we were really working since then, we could have tried to get a (somewhat hefty) compensation agreed with their clubs
You're assuming Klopp will leave Dortmund. He's repeatedly said he won't leave and signed a new contract till 2018 (he is a a man who honours his contracts).

Ancelotti would have depended on whether Madrid sack him.

Honestly, Van Gaal was the only realistic option at this point in time.
 
Klopp or Ancelotti, if we were really working since then, we could have tried to get a (somewhat hefty) compensation agreed with their clubs

What if Klopp or Carlo doesn't want to leave?

We can agree as much compensation as we want but ultimately it depends on the manager.
 
Klopp or Ancelotti, if we were really working since then, we could have tried to get a (somewhat hefty) compensation agreed with their clubs

Klopp won't break contracts. The only way he'd leave is if Dortmund say yes. And why the hell would they? Not many who can do a better job. If you offer £20m compensation it still wouldn't convince me if I was Dortmund chairman to let him go.

Ancelotti looks likely to stay.
 
Btw, what is a fact is that Van Gaal & Fergie have become quite good friends the past 10 years or so. Both are reknown socialists and have similar management styles.
 
Why is Klopp a better candidate than van Gaal? He he has no experience outside of German football and has only had one job of note within it.
 
You're assuming Klopp will leave Dortmund. He's repeatedly said he won't leave and signed a new contract till 2018 (he is a a man who honours his contracts).

Ancelotti would have depended on whether Madrid sack him.

Honestly, Van Gaal was the only realistic option at this point in time.
He signed on in Nov, if we started looking in Dec I would say we missed a trick there

I know both are tough to get or outright impossible, just saying that LVG should not be the only candidate if the club indeed started looking so early
 
He signed on in Nov, if we started looking in Dec I would say we missed a trick there

I know both are tough to get or outright impossible, just saying that LVG should not be the only candidate if the club indeed started looking so early
The discussions about his new contract would have taken place way before November.
 
How is this a problem? How important is a captain in any case? If it were me, I'd make De Gea the captain to show the others that only performance counts.
I was just going to say, let's make De Gea the captain.

More like the only available one to get.
He isn't any make-do bloke either. It's really a sensible pick given the current situation we find ourselves in.
 
Klopp or Ancelotti, if we were really working since then, we could have tried to get a (somewhat hefty) compensation agreed with their clubs
Come on now, Ancellotti Is a hired gun who doesn't care about structure and Klopp is unattainable he's come out and said it twice this week alone. Van Gaal is the best choice for now, a very good manager who will do well for us.

I for one think it's a great move by the club, he obviously has other offers on the table so we've moved quickly and I think that's the right way to go.
 
I didn't say you said that. :) It's more of a question targeted towards Rooney's character because I'm sure he will react very badly if he was promised being captain under Moyes and it's taken away from him by Van Gaal. I just think that as a club we need to establish a line and when he crosses it, that's it with him. Used to happen quite often at Manchester United when Sir Alex was much younger. A player crosses that line and he's packing before he even knows it.
This, he was promised the arm band by Moyes and that had nothing to do with Van Gaal, if he gets the job . If Rooney reacts badly then throw him to the terraces and the team won't suffer too much from his absence since we have Mata, Kagawa, Van Persie and Welbeck who can all play his roles to a better or acceptable standard . What he needs is a strong hand who won't give a flying feck about what the press says regarding his mood, four weeks of him in the reserves and he will get the message, loud and clear .
 
The discussions about his new contract would have taken place way before November.
And I think that news would have been known in the relevant circles too?

Woodward calls someone a "genius" and misses out on trying to get him by a month seems unlikely

Either we did not start looking in Dec or the club always knew LVG was the preferred candidate

Makes all the Spurs stories quite confusing
 
He signed on in Nov, if we started looking in Dec I would say we missed a trick there

I know both are tough to get or outright impossible, just saying that LVG should not be the only candidate if the club indeed started looking so early

Even if he wasn't he's still one of the best candidates around. People act as if we're signing Chris Houghton or something. We're hiring a man who has managed at club level and internationally, he's won honours and league titles in the Netherlands, Spain and Germany. It's as if people think we're settling for a second rate manager.
 
I think it's important to stress that United are handcuffed with what they can say because they're listed on the NY stock exchange and hence fall under the restrictions of the US authorities.
 
I don't see how this ends well. Van Gall isn't a good fit for United at all and it's blatantly clear that zero thought or planning has been put into choosing him.

It's embarassing.

No it is not. van Gaal is a good choice - he would be a fantastic manager for 3ish years and he would make us play good football and make us competitive again. He might be volatile, but this is the man who kicked started Bayern's current golden age. There is no reason he could not have the same effect here - he's a proven coach.
 
Even if he wasn't he's still one of the best candidates around. People act as if we're signing Chris Houghton or something. We're hiring a man who has managed at club level and internationally, he's won honours and league titles in the Netherlands, Spain and Germany. It's as if people think we're settling for a second rate manager.

Exactly.

Ancelotti is great manager. But honestly this club needs someone who is going to give the players a mighty kick up the arse, not a cuddle.
 
And I think that news would have been known in the relevant circles too?

Woodward calls someone a "genius" and misses out on trying to get him by a month seems unlikely

Either we did not start looking in Dec or the club always knew LVG was the preferred candidate

Makes all the Spurs stories quite confusing
So if the club knew that Klopp was going to renew his contract before November, you're saying that the club was already looking to replace Moyes around Sep/Oct? Even if they were looking at Klopp as a replacement, you're assuming that Klopp wants to leave Dortmund in the first place, something that I highly doubt given he had rejected Madrid/Chelsea not a few months prior to his renewal.

There's every chance that the club spoke to Klopp only for him to turn us down, just like he did Madrid/Chelsea/Barca.
 
This approach is obviously plan B, in total contrast to plan A when it comes to the club's philosophy regarding managers. While Van Gaal is bound to make things better for a couple of seasons, it's incredible that plan A began and ended with David Moyes. What a shit plan that was.
 
This approach is obviously plan B, in total contrast to plan A when it comes to the club's philosophy regarding managers. While Van Gaal is bound to make things better for a couple of seasons, it's incredible that plan A began and ended with David Moyes. What a shit plan that was.

I'd go out on a limb and say that we would have qualified for the CL if Giggs had replaced Ferguson.
 
The club would deny this till he is free from the dutch nt job, won't they?

No, we won't need to do that. Much like with the Monday denials (Moyes has not been sacked) we're telling the truth. Van Gaal has not been appointed. Doesn't mean he won't be very soon.
 
Even if he wasn't he's still one of the best candidates around. People act as if we're signing Chris Houghton or something. We're hiring a man who has managed at club level and internationally, he's won honours and league titles in the Netherlands, Spain and Germany. It's as if people think we're settling for a second rate manager.
Am not against Van Gaal; just genuinely wondering what stuff he's done of note in last, 5 years or so.
 
Am not against Van Gaal; just genuinely wondering what stuff he's done of note in last, 5 years or so.

He's been manager at international level since 2012 but your 5-year time scale squeezes in a Dutch league title, the Bundesliga and the German FA Cup. He also got Holland to the World Cup,which admittedly isn't a huge feat but it's what he's been doing to pass the time.
 
Am not against Van Gaal; just genuinely wondering what stuff he's done of note in last, 5 years or so.
Well, he did almost get a treble with Bayern in 2010. Since the summer of 2012 he's been with the Dutch national team, so the nature of international football means he hasn't really "done" much the past couple of years.
 
Manchester United have denied reports which have emerged in the Netherlands claiming they have agreed a deal for Louis van Gaal to become their new manager.

The experienced 62-year-old has been heavily linked with the United post since David Moyes was fired on Tuesday.

And Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf is reporting that Van Gaal has agreed to take charge at Old Trafford after leading the Netherlands at the World Cup in Brazil this summer.

But United have told Sky Sports that they have not yet signed a new manager and will make an announcement when they have done so



www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/9283540/manchester-united-say-there-is-no-deal-in-place-for-louis-van-gaal-to-take-charge
 
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