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United linked with van Gaal in the meeja
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The kind of temperament this guy has I could imagine him coming out with some quote saying "The best coach in the world does not need to wait for offers and Manchester United have missed their opportunity, I will be moving to a club that values the worlds best"
I mean, he has the choice of Tottenham or Manchester United, I wouldn't worry about him opting for the former.
Cool. So why are some people saying we're messing him about etc?
Is this just because we've said we're considering other candidates? That's just normal surely.
And bloody sensible too, after the Moyes debacle.
Can't help but feel we are being led up the garden path on this....I.e "the short list".
Club got flack for the lack of process last time and they seem to be going to great lengths to emphasise "other candidates". It's van Gaal...and it has been since day one.
Club got flack for the lack of process last time and they seem to be going to great lengths to emphasise "other candidates". It's van Gaal...and it has been since day one.
Yes.
I dont see us taking any sort of a punt this time around and if we dont, there arent many options out there.
We are considering other candidates after he got his nutsack out again in the interview.
It makes sense to say we're considering others. Even if it's not true. If we say Van Gaal is our only option and he turns us down then we look stupid but more importantly the new manager will know he wasn't first choice.
I'd go along with this. I don't doubt Ancelotti would be our preferred choice to take over, but we know full well we're not going to wait til the end of Madrid's season to try prise him away when there's such a feint chance we'll be successful. I expect we'll confirm Van Gaal appointment before their season ends.
I'd love to see the look on Woodward's and Joel Glazer's face."I have the balls to drop anyone in the squad. I show you."
"No, no, Louis, please, that wont be necessary".
They did the double over us, Arsenal and Liverpool in his first season. They were knocked out of Europe in controversial circumstances against Inter.
Let's just put it this way. He's not a bad second choice.
Ancelotti is a great coach but the prospect of him joining doesn't excite me nearly as much as van Gaal. The job needs a big, domineering, perhaps slightly eccentric personality. You need balls to manage Manchester United, no pun intended. I also wonder whether Ancelotti isn't better suited to roles such as Chelsea and Madrid where the idea is the manager is solely first team coach and where he can just get on with it free from distractions and other responsibilities that may be required of him at United. We know that Moyes was in the middle of rebooting everything from the youth set-up to the scouting in his own image (Lord help us!) and I'm not sure whether Ancelotti's personality would be one that would devour that prospect.
van Gaal on the other hand is someone who I can see really getting his teeth into all of that.
van Gaal on the other hand is someone who I can see really getting his teeth into all of that.
I don't know why ancelotti as our manager simply doesn't interest. And again, no, it's not his sexbrows. Maybe it's because his teams are effective but a bit like him, lack personality?
Pretty much spot on this. Van Gaal would be down at the youth matches watching players, getting involved in all aspects of the entire club like Fergie did. Don't see Carlo doing that. He will concentrate on the first team and getting them results and perhaps not build for the future.
Put it this way... I was amazed to realise the other day that he had 2 full seasons in charge of Chelsea. I thought he'd had like 8 months or something.
Very good manager, no doubt, but not one that makes a big impression. On me, anyway.
If we assume they're well into negotiation of terms, of course United will want it known they're looking at other options. If van Gaal's people believe he's the only candidate then that leaves United in a weak position when it comes to the negotiations.
There's a new video of some Dutch reporter explaining the van Gaal situation on the de telegraaf website if anyone speaks Dutch
I kind of hope LVG turns any and all situations into a reason to whip his ballsack out.
"What do you want with your Big Mac mister Van Gaal?"
"Are you doubting I have the balls for a Big Mac Meal?"
"Uhm...No sir."
"You are doubting I have the balls. Here, here are my balls."
*Slaps them on the counter*
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"Will you please leave sir?"
I was amazed he had only had two seasons and was sacked. He took over Chelsea the season after they finished 3rd. In his first season he did the double and won the League and FA Cup, being the first team in the PL to score over 100 goals. Quite an impression for your first season in a new league. In his second season he finished 2nd in the league and went out in the quarter-finals of the champions league. After they replaced him, they finished 6th and 3rd in the league. His sacking was ridiculous really.
Do people not know how to read threads? Go back in this thread and read his transfer record at Bayern and both spells at Barca
This is the video I suppose:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/tv/telesport/fox/22561940/__United_worstelt_met_wensen_Van_Gaal__.html
Basically they are saying Manchester United and LVG are close (or have come) to an agreement on personel terms (like the wage etc) but a deal is on hold because they have some problems working out LVG additional terms, more precisely the staff he wants to bring with him. They are saying he has atleast 5 new people he wants to bring with him (like Kluivert, but also a couple of other like a video analyst, goalkeeper coach etc) and that United want the class of 92 to be involved in some kind of way. This feeling that the class of 92 (Giggs, Scholes, P.Neville and Butt) need to be involved in the coaching staff has been fuelled by the great result versus Norwich and the expectations are that if United win the remaining games under Giggs they will want him (and some of the others) in the coaching staff, which is a problem because LVG wants to bring his own staff. They say it maybay a minor detail that could worked out in the coming days but it depends on the willingness of LVG to lower his demands or on the club to give up its wish of involving the class 92. They say the club could be worried about the technical implications of an entire new coaching staff and that the problem right now is a dicussion about finding the ideal mix of a coaching staff. They also say that this is a similar kind of problem Van Gaal had with Liverpool, they also wanted him as a coach but the deal didn't materialse because they couldn't come to an agreement on the coaching staff.
I hope this won't derail the deal with Van Gaal. It is ok to want Giggs to be involved, as he may have a managerial future at the club, but demanding Butt, Scholes or P.Neville to involved is over the top for me. Hope the club see sense in this and could work out some kind of deal that LVG bring whoever he wants but that Giggs needs to be involved in some kind of assistent role, perhaps also Schools as he has been working with the academy players and LVG has always worked with a remaning figure of the previous coaching staff, usually the youth trainer. Would be devastating if a deal doesn't go through because United want P.Neville or Butt involved instead of LVG's people
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Great job, thanks!
I think LVG should be able to bring in his own staff. if he wants to keep Giggs - great. If he doesn't then him getting experience elsewhere when he retires won't kill him. Don't see the fuss about the others though. Scholes has only been there for one match and Neville only came back with Moyes. IF we're insisting they're involved it's absurd.
Phil I'm not too bothered by, Scholes and Butt in the youth set-up and Giggs in a higher capacity than he had under Moyes would probably be a good situation.
Giggs should be an assistant in some capacity I reckon.
Van Gaal should bring who he wants.
Class of 92 should go elsewhere and gain coaching experience. Personally I would prefer a few of them to go elsewhere.
It's not like replacing Rene or Phelan.
Class of 92 should go elsewhere and gain coaching experience. Personally I would prefer a few of them to go elsewhere.
It's not like replacing Rene or Phelan.
For those who can't see tweets:
De Telegraaf chief Sports reporter Jaap de Groot claims Van Gaal's wishlist of who he wants to bring to Manchester United is holding up deal
Van Gaal apparently wants to bring in 5 of his own staff members, United bosses reluctant, could see the deal fall through.
The class of 92 aren't world class coaches, Van Gaal will believe his team are. I would be very annoyed if we missed out on Van Gaal because of this.
It'd be absurd if our 'deal breaker' is keeping coaches in place who didn't even have the job this time last week.
FFS. Just let the manager bring who he wants who he feels will best do the job. He's already said he likes to keep a coach from the old team, that'll be Giggs anyway probably. This jobs for the boys has to stop.
If it falls through because club wants to keep four coaches that have never coached then pathetic.
The video says the buzz around Giggs and class of 92 as managers is creating some problems, they mention a BBC poll saying that 72% or something wanted Giggs to be the next manager and the Glazzers wouldn't be entirely deaf towards this.
I agree with you, let Van Gaal bring in whoever he wants, try to get an agreement on Giggs being in his coaching staff but wanting the others to be involved is ridiculous, Scholes and Butt weren't involved with Moyes either, why does LVG need to take them on board ? Also P.Neville, been a disappointment under Moyes, why he is still here I don't know, why the club would want him to be involved if LVG doesn't want him, I don't know.
Would be typical Manchester United to let a deal like this derail for such a stupid reason as demanding the class of 92 to be involved, would be absolutley typical.
This. I know the British pundits/press love to be mind-numbingly stupid when it comes to football, but at present we all love the class of 92, but none of them have more than a season of actual managerial experience between them. It would be absurd to trust in their inexperience.
Keep em around, they won't demand a ton of money, and let them learn for a few years. But not a one of them have proven a thing at management yet.
Moyes was allowed to bring his own staff, so should Van Gaal.
I've written one for Ferguson:
Failed to qualify from a CL group that had teams from Portugal, Switzerland and Romania in it, then lost to Spain's 10th best team while being much inferior. Was the only manager of a Premier League side to have been eliminated TWICE at the group stages of the Champions League in the last decade. Wenger never went out in the first group stage.
Failed to win the FA Cup in his last 9 attempts having been eliminated by a lower league side in one of them. In the meantime manager like Redknapp won it.
Was eliminated by teams like Coventry and Southend from the League Cup in the past decade.
Only won the Treble ONCE in the last 25 attempts.
Such a loser! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha worst manager ever hahahahahahahahha LOL OMG
The class of 92 including Giggs should have nothing to do with the first team until they prove themselves to be top class coaches. Let them work themselves up from the youth team like nearly everyone else has (including Pep Guardiola before the 'Giggsy's going to be the next Guardiola bullshit comes around').
I take the opposite view, if he can't compromise on this then he can feck off and we'll put Giggs in charge.
We've just had one manager who insisted on changing all the staff we could do without having to start again. From the players comments this week they seem genuinely happy to have the class of 92 running things.
So my first preference id LVG with Giggs as number 2 .... or Giggs to take over.
We've just had one manager who insisted on changing all the staff we could do without having to start again. From the players comments this week they seem genuinely happy to have the class of 92 running things.
So my first preference id LVG with Giggs as number 2 .... or Giggs to take over.
I doubt there is much truth in this considering they let Moyes totally balls up the coaching staff up last summer (Woods aside).
Agree with this. Phil will probably leave at the end of the season anyway along with Woods. We should keep Scholes for the U18s/U21s and return Butt to assisting Warren Joyce and Giggs as one of the assistants to LvG.
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