So, UEFA created a problem and are now attempting to solve that problem by creating an even bigger problem.
They're just going to destroy football sooner or later. But hey, at least Real Madrid, Bayern München and Manchester United are happy. That's all what matters, apparently.
So, UEFA created a problem and are now attempting to solve that problem by creating an even bigger problem.
They're just going to destroy football sooner or later. But hey, at least Real Madrid, Bayern München and Manchester United are happy. That's all what matters, apparently.
No, I'm a United fan. I just resent that we, along with every other big club, are apparently too cowardly to fight our rivals on the pitch so we intend to destroy them via other means (United, as far as I'm aware, have been a huge supporter of FFP from the start).City fan I assume?
To be fair, FFP does point towards keeping the big clubs at the top, I won't deny that.
On the flip side though, every club knew the rules, City decided to ignore them
I think some people are so blinded by their hatred for clubs owned by spending billionaires that they're indeed losing some perspective on the reality.
I have changed my mind about this 15mins ago.
But this 'first offence' is just made up by cowards.
No, I'm a United fan. I just resent that we, along with every other big club, are apparently too cowardly to fight our rivals on the pitch so we intend to destroy them via other means (United, as far as I'm aware, have been a huge supporter of FFP from the start).
UEFA caused the problem: you simply cannot compete with the biggest, richest clubs anymore, mainly because of the Champions League, because of the immense financial rewards of the competition and the commercial exposure it afforded to its biggest clubs.
The only way to break into the cosy elite and stay there without losing your best players every year is by spending outrageous amounts of money in a short time. Now UEFA take even this avenue away without actually fixing the real problem: the lack of competitiveness and the ever-growing advantages of the established elite. It summarises their incompetence, really. And their pandering to the football aristocrats.
And those who still cite Borussia Dortmund: yes. The second biggest club in the country with Europe's strongest economy keeps losing its best players year after year. Hardly a good advertisement for how smaller clubs can compete with the big boys.
What about if they get 4 new sponsers from the middle east?
The fact that the fines can be paid by the owners without it affecting next years loss is just stupid.
Yes, but they can pass if they show they're moving in the right direction. It was £100M two years ago, £50M last year. I reckon if they showed losses of around £20M or less they'd be okay.The thing is though, a guy on Sky said over the last 3 years they needed to make a loss of 37.5m....They made a loss of 150m in that 3 years.
Won't they still need to catch up on that still?
Yes, they could have benefited. Not to the extent to seriously challenge United over the long-term - again, Borussia Dortmund are a perfect example of what happens to well-run 'second tier' clubs after a period of success, they get torn apart by the big boys; let's not forget that their best players over the past few years were bought up by Manchester United, Real Madrid and Bayern, not sugar daddy clubs - but the likes of Everton indeed could have done somewhat better, could have been like Valencia were in Spain for years. Leave Arsenal out of it though, they are the biggest club in one of Europe's richest cities with massive revenue: they would be in a far stronger position without FFP but that doesn't exactly demonstrate football's competitiveness.Ah ok. I do agree to an extent. It does really seem like a plan to keep the cream at the top so to speak, but it is frustrating to see clubs come in with billionaire owners and suddenly become a super power.
Arsenal are a perfect example. Always gone about their business the right way. City come in, take Adebayor, Nasri and Clichy.
Look at the knock on effect there. Without City, Arsenal would be in a considerably stronger position. These players, along with RVP, may not have wanted to leave (All IFs and Buts I know). It has ruined Arsenals prospects as a club.
Tottenham, very similar. The only difference is the poor decisions. Always been about the top 4. Been in and out of it from time to time. Imagine no City. Them and Everton could have had more stints in the CL, bringing in more money etc.
Not singling out City as a club. I do agree, that without a billionaire Owner, City would never been anywhere near the top 4 now, let alone a league winning team, but, if you took them out of the equation, teams like Everton, Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham could have all benefited from it.
City won't be punished again until after next 3 years. By that time they would of developed a sucessful academy, had a stadium seat upgrade(or under construction), they would of got new sponsers etc.
That all stemed from violating the FPP rules.
You have to wonder what the fine is meant to accomplish other than line UEFA's pockets in this scenario.
You have to wonder what the fine is meant to accomplish other than line UEFA's pockets in this scenario.
My thinking too, where does the money go?
You have to wonder what the fine is meant to accomplish other than line UEFA's pockets in this scenario.
Man city fined for breaking FFP rules £50,000,000. Fines for racism were: Serbia £65,000 Lazio £32,500 Porto £16,700. Ridiculous
Are you serious?Hope you're just highlighting the futile racism fines rather than saying the City fine is too large.
Are you serious?
The biggest effect on City will be with the homegrown players in the champions league since they'll still need 8 but now from a squad of only 21. If they expect to get these type of sanctions regularly I could see them making a move for Shaw or Barkley.
Yes, they could have benefited. Not to the extent to seriously challenge United over the long-term - again, Borussia Dortmund are a perfect example of what happens to well-run 'second tier' clubs after a period of success, they get torn apart by the big boys; let's not forget that their best players over the past few years were bought up by Manchester United, Real Madrid and Bayern, not sugar daddy clubs - but the likes of Everton indeed could have done somewhat better, could have been like Valencia were in Spain for years. Leave Arsenal out of it though, they are the biggest club in one of Europe's richest cities with massive revenue: they would be in a far stronger position without FFP but that doesn't exactly demonstrate football's competitiveness.
My point is though that UEFA take away ANY chance whatsoever. If they get rid of sugar daddy clubs will Everton and Spurs benefit? Sure. Will they ever rise to the very top? No, because they will be constrained by their revenue streams and their commercial potential which you cannot increase without sustained success which is impossible to achieve without investment which is forbidden because of revenue issues... you see where I'm going with this. FFP has been an incredibly flawed idea from the very start for this very reason; it destroys sugar daddy clubs, yes, but will further harm the competitiveness in European football.
Don't get me wrong, I see the problem that only the traditional elite can compete with sugar daddy clubs and the gap between these and the other clubs is only growing as a result. But those other clubs can at least hope that they will also find a billionaire owner and join the party. It's a crap situation but UEFA's idea of a solution makes it worse because it makes no attempt to actually do anything about that particular gap.
If you imposed £50m fines for racism you'd just get rival fans buying tickets and making monkey noises to cripple the team.
Their home-grown players as of the start of the season according to the Mirror, were
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-citys-25-man-premier-league-2252547
Boyata
Clichy
Hart
Lescott
Milner
Richards
Rodwell
Tchuimeni
Wright
Presumably you take one off and you have 1/5 of their CL sqaud?
Well I've read that Boyata, Lesott, Milner, Richards and Rodwell were all intending to leave this summer, but I guess we may see a change of plan. Perhaps they'll bring Barry back?
Clichy is home grown... Keh?
I'm not convinced by this, I think harder squad punishments would have hit these clubs harder.
I just hope UEFA stick to their guns.
If you imposed £50m fines for racism you'd just get rival fans buying tickets and making monkey noises to cripple the team.