They really did miss the work rate of Henderson against Chelsea and Palace, Lucas has had a couple of serious injuries which required surgery over the last 2-3 seasons, he seems to have slowed down a bit, and obviously Gerrard can't get around the way he used to. Allen is ok with the ball but lacks the physical presence to control games when his team are on the back foot.
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They really did miss the work rate of Henderson against Chelsea and Palace, Lucas has had a couple of serious injuries which required surgery over the last 2-3 seasons, he seems to have slowed down a bit, and obviously Gerrard can't get around the way he used to. Allen is ok with the ball but lacks the physical presence to control games when his team are on the back foot.
Allen has been our best player the past few games. He still doesn't replace what Hendo does. I love Henderson to bits and I said last year he'd be a future captain and stand by that.
I'd take him in a second.
Despite all the abuse he received on here when he was at Liverpool and from the media as well, I think he is an excellent manager. Many not play the best football but he makes his team very difficult to beat and he regularly wins trophies.
If all 3 were available, I'd take Benitez. I think he's the one who'd be most likely to succeed. The other 2, especially FDB, potentially have a higher ceiling with us but also a much higher risk of failure imo.
Plus if FDB comes and succeeds, I'd be exposed to a new phenomenon from our manager, something which I've only really been used to from players in recent years which is the manager talking on a relatively regular basis about leaving the club. Wouldn't be the most pleasant thing.
Do we have any followers of the Dutch league here? I've heard some mixed reviews about FDB's achievements in the Netherlands (mostly positive though to be fair) and wondered what peoples' opinions of him are.
I'd take Benitez 1st. I suspect it will be one of the two younger managers though.
I agree with Barney, I think he's been excellent for them this season. Huge huge miss over the past few games.
Had he been playing they made have drawn with Chelsea,if buts and maybe's..
Quite possibly, although personally I feel the difference is overstated. I think the crucial part though is that Benitez allowed it to become an excuse and alsmost more of a talking point than the football, whereas Fergie did the exact opposite despite there being a huge amount of unrest at Old Trafford up to the time the green and gold campaign started to fizzle out. In fact I wouldn't say Benitez allowed it to become an excuse so much as he positively encouraged it, causing a toxic atmosphere in the stadium and almost distracting from the job he had actually done as a manager up to then.
"Bottle job in motion,
Tra la la la..."
Tra la la la..."
Can't beat a bit of bully.
If anyone's interested Liverpool have apparently made a bid for Lallana.
So with Liverpool in desperate need of defenders, it appears they're buying another winger.
Mentioning Henderson being missing is nothing compared to Ramsey for Arsenal though isn't it?
They were top of the league when he got injured and since he came back they've been much better. Probably would've won the league if he'd been fit all year (plus Walcott)
They were top of the league when he got injured and since he came back they've been much better. Probably would've won the league if he'd been fit all year (plus Walcott)
Great in attack but naive, childish error from Gerrard but great to watch if you don't despise them.
Rodgers did very good job by taking them this high up the table.
They're capable of winning in streaks as they've proven even with this defence, but they miss 1 or two 2 world class players like Suarez while at the same time City has few of them too many.
Next transfer window will be very interesting for them, defence needs some refreshments and one midfield player extra wouldn't do no harm either.
Attacking wise they're fine as long as they keep Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling and Coutinho.
Suarez needs to leave, know he probably won't, but one can only hope!
Rodgers did very good job by taking them this high up the table.
They're capable of winning in streaks as they've proven even with this defence, but they miss 1 or two 2 world class players like Suarez while at the same time City has few of them too many.
Next transfer window will be very interesting for them, defence needs some refreshments and one midfield player extra wouldn't do no harm either.
Attacking wise they're fine as long as they keep Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling and Coutinho.
Suarez needs to leave, know he probably won't, but one can only hope!
We can't buy both? We need defenders, but we also need depth for our attack.
You can, but I can't see him coming cheap, and your resources don't stretch as far as you might like. If I were you I'd rather splash out on a couple of decent defenders before worrying about more wingers and strikers.
Liverpool have one of the best forwards in the league. Oversaturating a position leads to a very shallow squad, especially if you have a gaping flaw in your formation.
Take United for example. We already have a conundrum of having to drop either Rooney, Mata or Kagawa, yet our midfield is absolute shambles. It would be absolute idiocy to buy another number 10, even if we can afford a midfielder with him. We're faced with an even bigger conundrum in the no. 10 position and, in our problematic area, we still don't have enough to properly fill the void. The best course of action would be ironing out the flaws, rather than praying our pros will outweigh the cons. Kind of like sharpening a knife when the handle's broken.
Signing a player in a position you don't need any reinforcement on just for the sake of it is pointless.
Coutinho, Sterling, Suso, Suarez and Sturridge isn't enough. We need two or maybe three more attackers. United are a bad example because most other teams don't let their holes remain unfilled. There's no reason we can't get three defenders on top of a pair of attackers.
How much do you think Liverpool are going to have available to spend exactly? Lallana is likely to go for somewhere between 15-25 million, possibly even more depending on how Andy Carroll they are with the funds. If Liverpool spend that much on a winger, they're only going to be able to get one decent defender in at best. Rodgers has already signed a load of sub-par players, and spending a silly amount on a winger he doesn't really need is just going to cause that to happen again.
I don't mean to start the whole "Liverpool are a deluded fanbase" banter, I'm really not that type of poster, but...
Yeah, you're being a smidge deluded right now, friend. You're not Barca. You're not Bayern. I can't even see the latter two getting 3 class defenders and 2 class attackers, so what's left for Liverpool?
Granted, I'm no coach, transfer expert nor financial manager. But unless you're willing to settle for defenders barely good enough for Newcastle, I definitely don't see you signing bloody three of them AND two forwards.
The figures being reported are £50, 60 and 70 million on top of sales.
Who're you going to sell? Is Reina out of contract or can you get £10m for him?
You sold all your deadwood last summer.
read somewhere you lot are bringing in 6 players.......
Unless you sell Suarez your sales aren't going to amount to much. I really don't have a clue where you've got this idea that you'll bring in 3 top defenders as well as two attackers, one of which is likely to cost about £20 million. I don't think there are many clubs that could.
How much do you think we'd get for Agger, Aspas, Kelly, Alberto, Borini, Reina and Assaidi, potentially with Lucas on top?
Napoli are apparently going to activate his release clause of €5m.
Nobody will go for Agger. On a long contract and on big wages. He will be loaned. He is useless as well.
Rafa will take him on loan.
Sorry to say, but this isn't FIFA or FM2014, that's not how transfers work. You don't just declare someone for sale and then get a buyer magically sprout up every time you hit enter.
And even with those players sold, you won't have anywhere near enough cash for 2 forwards and 3 defenders.
he hid behind the supporters....blamed the owners for him fecking up regular.
Napoli are apparently interested in Agger, and Barcelona have been too for ages; Aspas is as good as gone; Kelly will likely push for a move and as he is a decent English player we won't be short of suitors; Alberto is another player who is regarded well in Spain; Borini has had a good season, but he might end up coming back to us; Reina is 100% off; Assaidi is apparently in talks with Stoke and Hughes has said they want to permanently sign him; Lucas is pure speculation, but Pearce reckons there's a chance he leaves.
Agger >£5m
Aspas, Assaidi, Kelly, Alberto >£10m combined
Reina >£5m
Borini >£10m - although I don't know why you'd sell him and then just replace him with another attacker. He's had an alright season at Sunderland and will probably be happy to play second fiddle, which might not be true of someone who cost £15m+
Lucas £10-15m - although I don't know why you'd get rid of him as it'd mean you'd need another midfielder, and a replacement would probably cost more than you'd get for him
There's also the fact that anyone buying these players is likely to spread the fees out, so the owners are likely to be unwilling to pump too much straight back into the transfer kitty. Out of that list I can only really see Reina and Assaidi going on a permanent basis, with anyone else being shipped out on loan and Liverpool still paying their wages.
You're living in dream world if you think you're going to sell all of them, and that the amount you'll receive will make up enough to buy the caliber and quantity of players that you're on about.
£20-30m for the lot excluding Lucas would be generous given Napoli can apparently sign Reina for peanuts.
Don't think they'll loan him.
Fair enough.
Assuming all those transfers go through without a flaw, who do you think Liverpool will bring on in their stead?
You over value Lucas and undervalue Agger.
They would do well to shift Suarez whilst his stock is so high, if he can fetch upwards of £60m, couple that with a proposed similar spend and it will put enough on the table to strengthen.
Agger to Barca? What have you been smoking? He might go to Napoli, but it'll be for peanuts.
They don't really need to bring players in their stead. Most have played very little or no football this season.
A story put out by Liverpool to try and create interest. Reina was linked with us, Arsenal etc for £20mil. It just all talk.
His a a crock. Cant play two games a week. Nobody will spend big money for an injury prone player.
Perhaps I worded that wrong.
Who are these 2 class forwards and 3 class defenders Liverpool is gonna bring in?
I know you don't work at the club, but in your personal opinion, who should they bring? Who do they have a realistic chance of signing?
Agger is shite. No one's splashing out on him. If he goes, he's not going for much.
Lucas has actually proven useful when fit, and with the extra games I don't understand why you'd sell him because you'd need to bolster your midfield again, and any replacements would cost more than you'd get for him.