He's a good player in the right team but that team isn't us. We have better players in every position that he could possibly play in. His being here is only going to get in the way for our youth. His displays have been more on the disappointing side even when he was in his favoured position. The odd good performance doesn't cut it. For a player with his skills, his first touch, possession and passing can be shocking at times. Clear him out and make space. There's a lot of players who can follow him as well.
Shinji Kagawa
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We don't know exactly how Van Gaal plans to line up of course, but can anyone ever see Kagawa regularly starting off a single front man?
I think he's odds on to be sold, to fund this spree of ours.
I think he's odds on to be sold, to fund this spree of ours.
Yeah, I'm not saying he should be a guaranteed starter as I'd rather those three start ahead of him but there's definitely room in the squad for him.
Doubt it's to fund, more just to make room.
I rate Rooney, Mata and Januzaj as better players than Kagawa and since we will only be playing around 45 games next season and have so many pressing needs in other areas of our team Kagawa should be sold to finance our rebuilding. Kagawa's fate was sealed when we signed Mata, there's no way we can play Kagawa and Mata in the same team, not even if Rooney isn't playing.
Hmmm...he's been a massive flop. And to think he was Bundersliga player of the season. Based on the last two seasons I suspect we bought him after a purple patch.
Currently not good enough. Certainly not good enough to dislodge Rooney or Mata or whoever as the number 10. He's not even getting chances to score. He's very tidy, but ineffective for what we need. Tippy tappy football, players passing it five yards with no realization we're just passing it like mugs. I want to see LVG come in and tell him he wants 10 goals and a bit more ambition from Kagawa.
That's not true, they were linking well together when we played Mata centre and Kagawa left. Mata even singled out Kagawa for praise after one game.
Aye the fans seem to have a soft spot for him but lets be honest for 2 seasons he's been on par with Young and Valencia in the 'average as feck' department. Wouldn't mind seeing him sold in the summer, we have enough quality in his position and the £15m or so we get can go towards another player.
When we lost Hazard in the same window many people were actually saying we had made the better transfer
He wasn't
The likes of Sahin and Barrios looked good for Dortmund as well. I just think the Bundesliga/Klopp makes certain players look better than they are.
Yeah.When we lost Hazard in the same window many people were actually saying we had made the better transfer
When we lost Hazard in the same window many people were actually saying we had made the better transfer
Yeah. Anyway he's had two seasons and three managers. Time to let go.
I think a problem is the defensive work of both of them. If we played both of them, Rooney and RVP, we could really struggle.
Was he not? Oh well... Sorry Shinny.
Do none of you actually see how shite ou style of play is when compared to other teams of our level? How do you expect players like Kagawa to thrive? Are we simply going to depend on individual brilliance again?
He cost us £12m, he hasn't been awful, he's just been average. Hardly a flop at that price. He hasn't been a a good as most expected for various reasons but he's still a quality player that just doesn't fit in at the club IMO. He's a #10 but we have 2 players who are better there so he won't ever get the chance to really prove himself in his best position.
I think Kagawa actually tracks back well although his tackling and positional sense is a bit shit. And I think we'd probably struggle with those four playing anyway as we would have no pace and would be playing too narrow.
He has been played as a CM twice and has been poor twice. It's not his natural position, neither is LW. We should judge his class when he plays as a no10. The problem is, I can never see him starting at no10 while we have Mata/Januzaj/Rooney. He may be sold in the summer unless the new manager can get more out of him in other positions.
Why do people think we would get £15m for him too? We paid less than that and most consider him as a flop so why would anyone pay more than United did?
Yeah because Chelsea's style of play is majestic, and mark my words they'll be right up there next season. They should have won the league this year from the position they put themselves in beating City and Liverpool away. Arsenal play lovely football, where has that gotten them. It's all about a balance of good football, speed, and strength. Kagawa doesn't bring balance to our side when played out of position, and he isn't better than the competition in his position.
No need to scapegoat anyone but I think he's one of the most dispensable players in the squad.
He simply hasn't shown anything which sets him apart from anyone else in any position in his time here.
Yes yes Valencia and Young are worse footballers but if there is some kind of 'overhaul' I for one wouldn't rue the day that Kagawa leaves. He's very very disappointing because of the reputation he came in with.
I'm sure there are arguments both ways but these modern 'number 10s' or CAMs elsewhere all seem far more flexible than him. Nasri, Silva, Isco, Oscar, Gotze, Coutinho, Eriksen and I'm sure I could reel off a lot more names if I had an agenda.
Seems to me he's the type of player who thrives when everyone else is playing well rather than the player who can instigate things to make those around him play well.
Nothing against him, but I don't think he has the mentality for it. If he moves, I can't say I'd be disappointed.
He simply hasn't shown anything which sets him apart from anyone else in any position in his time here.
Yes yes Valencia and Young are worse footballers but if there is some kind of 'overhaul' I for one wouldn't rue the day that Kagawa leaves. He's very very disappointing because of the reputation he came in with.
I'm sure there are arguments both ways but these modern 'number 10s' or CAMs elsewhere all seem far more flexible than him. Nasri, Silva, Isco, Oscar, Gotze, Coutinho, Eriksen and I'm sure I could reel off a lot more names if I had an agenda.
Seems to me he's the type of player who thrives when everyone else is playing well rather than the player who can instigate things to make those around him play well.
Nothing against him, but I don't think he has the mentality for it. If he moves, I can't say I'd be disappointed.
Yeah which means we'd have to drop one, Kagawa being the most likely.
I don't know about that. Valencia looked a great winger 3 years ago. The way the team is playing plays a big part in individual player performances, especially over a sustained period.
Its the way we're set up. There is no coherent plan, and that, together with the fact that we've had a shit season and are low on confidence is making our players look bad.
Has there been any outfield player out who has had a sustained and consistently good performance? Our top players have had matches where they've shown their class simply because they're too good to look consistently bad but they've had matches where they looked bad. Mata look terrible vs Everton. RVP has looked out of sorts in certain matches. Rooney was terrible against Bayern. Our best players have at times looked ordinary this season, and our ordinary players have looked very very poor.
This is not knock on Giggs and the Class of 92 because god knows I love them, but the sooner we get a top quality manager with a top quality coaching staff, the better.
Wh? What have Chelsea and their shit style got to do with this? Our play is incredibly dull, relies on either set pieces or individual moment of brilliance. If we're going to persist with this, no point persuing the likes of Reus either. He's not an individually brilliant player.
Trying to point this out gets you labelled a Kagawa fanboy.
To be fair, it's true that Kagawa's not exactly the type of player to "grab a game by the scruff of the neck", but then we shouldn't be needing that in every single match from every single player. Players like him who can pass well, move off the ball, and use space intelligently are what I want to see in most positions, alongside one or two who have those more individual qualities.
The calls for him to be permanent #10 have been one of the most bemusing ones I have seen in a while. He has literally shown nothing to earn this right. I can se van Gaal giving him another chance, but I'm not sure we will see a complete change of character from these past two average seasons.
I've already said he shouldn't be a starter, I just think it would be mental to get rid of him before Nani, Valencia and Young. Nani and Valencia combined would fetch more than Kagawa and I'd rather have him than both of them.
Kagawa was indifferent last season under SAF too.
Rogers couldn't get the best out of Sahin either. That makes me think that it's more than just the buying manager when it comes to ex-Dortmund players.
I disagree. There was a couple of games where he looked good for us in the 10 role. Hell, he's had games where he looked good out on the left wing.
Van Gaal will value him more than Moyes, hopefully.
Just give up... It will always be easier to point out individuals than to focus on the fact that we suck as a team. Kagawa was easily on par with Silva, Mata and Özil's general level when he played for Dortmund, a team that's better than all the teams in the PL right now. Kagawa has been great for Japan as well.
But nooooo, we're not gonna admit that maybe, just maybe, he's being pulled back by a crappy team playing crappy football. It's clearly only his fault! If he was truly a top player, then he would have rose to the occasion, like Mata has... Oh wait, Mata is also just a shadow of himself at his best. And that is with consistent football in his favored position.
I wouldn't. Nani and Valencia can do a job even in their bad form. Most importantly though sell them and we need to get quality replacements in those positions. Sell Kagawa and it will have no effect on the team whatsoever.
Didn't Sahin come out and say Rodgers played him completely out of position? And SAF did the same with Kagawa too. Playing him from the left with slow players around him isn't gonna work.
I like kagawa but we can't have him, januzaj and mata in the same team or even same squad really. They are just too similar and we lack pace when attacking. We need to replace one of them with someone like reus or griezmann to offer something different and of those 3 I think kagawa is the one we should let go especially if it helps us sign reus.
With no champions league games I think the club will have to let kagawa and Hernandez go as I just don't see either of them getting enough games next season and it will also bring in some money.
With no champions league games I think the club will have to let kagawa and Hernandez go as I just don't see either of them getting enough games next season and it will also bring in some money.
Yeah, its bemusing. No one's claiming he's been excellent. Simply pointing out that he needs a proper setup to thrive. Its the same with most top players. We play absolute shit football, thats never going to bring the best out of the likes of kagawa, mata or rvp. We've seen that of late.
When's the last time Nani did a job? And I'm not sure we would need quality replacements with the lack of Europe next season anyway. 3 out of Januzaj, Mata, Welbeck, Rooney and Kagawa should be enough for the three spots behind the striker.
And Mata has still managed to shit all over Kagawa. There's a reason he's been picked in the middle more often than Kagawa. All players need to play in a good team to be at their best. Only Kagawa has it used as an excuse every single time. What he did at Dortmund is irrelevant to whether he can play for Utd in a different, tougher league.
He had a couple of games to show his worth as a #10, which he did well. The difference for me is we have players in Mata and Rooney that can change games on their own and dictate, whereas Kagawa hasn't done that. That's why I don't think he merits the #10 permanently, but does deserve a run there
He doesn't score the goals and we couldn't risk taking out proven goalscorers just to accommodate Kagawa.
With no Europe next season, he'll have a hard time getting games. Not much point in keepin him, better to let him go back to Dortmund and resume his love-in with Klopp. It's likely the best thing he can do right now, and he's still young enough to resurrect his career.
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