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Let LVG decide who he wants and who not. Unlike Moyes, I am sure he knows how to set up a new coaching staff. If he has no use for Scholes or whoever at the moment, so be it. We shouldnt be too sentimental at this stage. If a coach is doing a good job, he will work at Utd eventually
 
Every coach should have the freedom to choose whatever make up of staff he wants. This idea that we're foisting Van Gaal's potential successor on him and he's supposed to be jumping for joy is naive.
 
XdanielredX said:
Ryan Giggs set to remain at Man United as Louis van Gaal says he'll keep one coach

The chances of Ryan Giggs being offered a prominent role by incoming Manchester United boss Louis van Gaal have increased after the Dutch veteran revealed how he likes to retain one member of the staff at each club he joins.

Giggs oversaw his final game as United interim manager on Sunday as his team drew 1-1 at Southampton. Now he must wait to see what, if anything, he is offered by Van Gaal when the current Dutch national coach’s position at United is confirmed later this week.

But in outlining his existing philosophies, Van Gaal has offered some hope to Giggs.

Asked who was behind the development of Thomas Muller at Bayern Munich, Van Gaal said: 'When I go to a new club, I always want to keep one coach from the existing staff.

'At Bayern that person was Herman Kerland, who is still working there now under Pep Guardiola.

'I wanted to know who was coming through the youth system. I always want to know that.

'He is the man who said to me: ‘Muller, Badstuber and Alaba. These are the players.’

'So I let them train with the first team, I observed them – and then I decided where they were going to play.'

Van Gaal is currently in Holland preparing the Dutch team for a friendly with Ecuador this weekend.

Former Dutch defender Ronald Koeman spoke about how he expects Van Gaal's Holland to line up at the World Cup with a 3-5-2 formation, which could provide a clue as to how United could play next season.

Speaking to NOS.nl, Koeman described how the system works: 'Three central defenders, your line is high, there are two midfielders who play for the defence, a real number ten and two strikers up front.

'You can really put your full backs forward. They can play really deep. And there are always two strikers in front of the goal

'Moreover, you can play with a real number ten and you always have three defenders. This can also be very important in Brazil.'

He is set to be named as United manager on this week as the Dutch have a gap in their schedule, but he will not hold a press conference at Old Trafford.


Perhaps no room for Scholesy?

You'd be mad to turn down the opportunity to have Scholesy as part of your coaching team surely? Even if it's just for the Under 21's.
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Such a key thing. I know Moyes kept Warren Joyce on and he would have given him a run down on where our youth team players stand, but it would have helped him a lot to have at least one coach from the previous successful regime.
 
Van Gaal is arrogant enough and rich enough to walk away if he feels he's not being given what he wants. I'm sure he admires Giggs as a player and might see something in him to keep him on board.
 
Giggs is too close to the players. What happens when LVG makes a decision that adversely affects one of his mates? Who will Giggs show his loyalty to?
If Giggs wants to be the manager will he undermine LVG?
I don't know what kind of person Giggs is but I think its probably not worth the risk.
 
I'm presuming the official announcement will be complimented by a press conference and I imagine what with van Gaal's international commitments sorting this out could be a logistical nightmare? Would he fly to Manchester or would we mock-up a centre near the Dutch camp?

I should imagine the Dutch FA aren't best pleased.
 
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Giggs may be an assistant and United would prefer that, though the wages of any assistant manager are not great compared to what he could earn elsewhere. United’s assistant manager earns around £250,000 a year, the coaches less. Not that money will be Giggs’ main motivator. He’s made for life financially and wants to do what’s best to help him one day become United manager. If he stays, Van Gaal needs him onside. Moyes lost Giggs last October.
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I had always imagined assistant managers at United would earn more than that for some reason, i mean granted its a great salary for most people but considering the manager earns £80-100k a week it seems a little low to me. But for all i know it could be standard for an assistant at a club of Uniteds size.

The bit about Moyes losing Giggs in october if true is amazing. I personally thought he lost most of the players around December-January, for him to have lost Giggs faith as early as that is surprising to me.
 
God, I love Utd but from the hoisting of the trophy last season til now has been one big fecking headache. Stop the madness, quit dicking around and let's do something, even if it is the wrong thing. I don't care, Utd, do something....

Glazers out!
 
I note he says he cries once every day. He'll have a lot in common with United fans after the last 12 months then.
 
Loon said:
I'm presuming the official announcement will be complimented by a press conference and I imagine what with van Gaal's international commitments sorting this out could be a logistical nightmare? Would he fly to Manchester or would we mock-up a centre near the Dutch camp?

I should imagine the Dutch FA aren't best pleased.
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I don't think there would be a need for a press conference until after the World Cup. It could be announced early like Moyes was and then all the publicity done when he officially joined.

It's a trivial thing when you think that he's not going to be able to do anything until the World Cup is finished and everyone knows he is leaving the Dutch job.

If we did not announce it within the next 7 days with the season completed and after allegedly making big money bids for players I'd start to question whether the matter is a done deal.
 
A simple announcement from the club would suffice. Two lines. The fanfare could be left to later.

If it's truly a done deal, it should have happened by now.
 
stevoc said:
I had always imagined assistant managers at United would earn more than that for some reason, i mean granted its a great salary for most people but considering the manager earns £80-100k a week it seems a little low to me. But for all i know it could be standard for an assistant at a club of Uniteds size.

The bit about Moyes losing Giggs in october if true is amazing. I personally thought he lost most of the players around December-January, for him to have lost Giggs faith as early as that is surprising to me.
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Ay, I was stunned when I read how 'little', in football terms, assistant coaches were paid. I guess I'd never really thought about it, but I was surprised nonetheless.
 
JustAFan said:
Has he released the names on the Dutch WC roster yet? Perhaps he is focussing on getting that detail out of the way first?
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Yep that is the only reason it is stalling, he is Hollands coach and that comes first. I'm sure when he sorts his national squad out it will be released.
I expect there will be a few united players shitting it with the appointment of LVG
 
Kag said:
Ay, I was stunned when I read how 'little', in football terms, assistant coaches were paid. I guess I'd never really thought about it, but I was surprised nonetheless.
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Supply and demand. Lots of ex-players want to be coaches, and it's not clear they're bringing any critical skills to the table.
 
stevoc said:
I had always imagined assistant managers at United would earn more than that for some reason, i mean granted its a great salary for most people but considering the manager earns £80-100k a week it seems a little low to me. But for all i know it could be standard for an assistant at a club of Uniteds size.

The bit about Moyes losing Giggs in october if true is amazing. I personally thought he lost most of the players around December-January, for him to have lost Giggs faith as early as that is surprising to me.
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There was plenty on here saying it about giggs at the time...yet most chose to ignore it.
 
Let's hope Giggs likes LVG and his coaching style. It's only fair he gives him until October to prove himself.
 
LonelyFire said:
There was plenty on here saying it about giggs at the time...yet most chose to ignore it.
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Yeah i remember the rumours rumbling all season that he had lost senior players, i was convinced after the newcastle defeat at home that he had lost a fair few players. I remember thinking that the likes of Rio & Vidic etc. probably didn't have too much faith in him around then.

But still if Giggs lost faith in him as far back as october that does surprise me. I would have thought Giggs being so loyal to SAF would have been one of the last senior players to lose faith in the man Ferguson hand picked to succeed him.

Will be very interesting one day to get a clear account of what transpired 3 months into Moyes tenure to make Giggs of all people doubt the man who was meant to manage us for 10-15 years.
 
stevoc said:
Yeah i remember the rumours rumbling all season that he had lost senior players, i was convinced after the newcastle defeat at home that he had lost a fair few players. I remember thinking that the likes of Rio & Vidic etc. probably didn't have too much faith in him around then.

But still if Giggs lost faith in him as far back as october that does surprise me. I would have thought Giggs being so loyal to SAF would have been one of the last senior players to lose faith in the man Ferguson hand picked to succeed him.

Will be very interesting one day to get a clear account of what transpired 3 months into Moyes tenure to make Giggs of all people doubt the man who was meant to manage us for 10-15 years.
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You don't need to wait pal.....buy a couple of the fanzine mags and find out. There were issues from the very start.
 
Zeki Zico said:
Of course. That's why I would rather have Giggs leave the club than cause to cause a disturbance in the way Van Gaal wants to run things.
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I would tend to agree. Id much rather see Butt be the assistance of phil neville. They have no authority within the club. Giggs is a big personality and if he does not approve of something Van Gaal does, that is a conflict right there
 
northbynorthwest said:
anybody think giggs influence could undermine Van Gaal?
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It's a possibility, but from what i have read about LVG, he is a strong character. Giggs would be better off taking a managerial position in the championship in my opinion with a view to him managing us sometime in the future if he proves himself capable
 
Giggs is kidding himself if he thinks Woodward will appoint him after van Gaal's stint for simply just 'being around'. Woodward will still have memories of Moyes in mind by then and will want the best around, whoever that is at the time.
 
If van Gaal has already decided the fates of Ferdinand, Neville and Woods he's not hanging around or dithering like his predecessor. Wonder if they'll be any player not previously linked with United van Gaal will bring in?
 
Can people please stop bringing up Moyes when talking about Giggs and United's future appointments?

Van Gaal is a real manager with a pedigree. He is a winner.

Had David Moyes been forced to work under Van Gaal, He would have been out on his ass as well. Van Gaal would have never put up with his loser mentality.

If Giggs is asked to stay(by LVG), then rest assured that he will be the new manager once LVG steps down. This is going to happen whether you like it or not, so get used to the idea.
 
Loon said:
If van Gaal has already decided the fates of Ferdinand, Neville and Woods he's not hanging around or dithering like his predecessor. Wonder if they'll be any player not previously linked with United van Gaal will bring in?
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I think he'd like to bring in Strootman, but with his knee injury it's a big risk.
 
If LVG is to stamp his mark on the club its probably best he gets rid of all the Fergie and Moyes loyalists. They would only be a source of discontent when things don't go their way. This applies to both players and management staff. He does not want those that are unhappy bringing up comparisons and sowing seeds of rebellion.
I say start anew and only keep those who are willing to accept change.
 
northbynorthwest said:
anybody think giggs influence could undermine Van Gaal?
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This is my issue with keeping Giggs on as a coach. If there is any danger of the next manager being undermined then Giggs should be let go at the end of the season.

I love Giggs but the club comes first. I doubt he's the type of guy that would cause disharmony just to spite a manager (Keane on the other hand....), I think Moyes went about trying to alienate the senior players at United instead of embracing them, it was a hatchet job gone wrong.
 
markhrad said:
If LVG is to stamp his mark on the club its probably best he gets rid of all the Fergie and Moyes loyalists. They would only be a source of discontent when things don't go their way. This applies to both players and management staff. He does not want those that are unhappy bringing up comparisons and sowing seeds of rebellion.
I say start anew and only keep those who are willing to accept change.
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To be fair, I think P Neville is more loyal to United than he Moyes, he shouldn't be too much of a problem.

The only issue I see is if LvG completely goes against the United philosophy. Giggs has already made it clear in his pressers he is a big believer so hopefully if LvG does go against it, Giggs will see it is in the best interest of the club.

Giggs highlighted that our philosophy was attacking exciting football, LvG would certainly bring that. If he chooses to utilize wingers in said system is down to him though, now the players/staff at United wanting philosophy.
 
MkPaul said:
To be fair, I think P Neville is more loyal to United than he Moyes, he shouldn't be too much of a problem.

The only issue I see is if LvG completely goes against the United philosophy. Giggs has already made it clear in his pressers he is a big believer so hopefully if LvG does go against it, Giggs will see it is in the best interest of the club.

Giggs highlighted that our philosophy was attacking exciting football, LvG would certainly bring that. If he chooses to utilize wingers in said system is down to him though, now the players/staff at United wanting philosophy.
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That's a bollocks philosophy though as 99% of successful teams tend to attack more than they defend. It's just what happens. There are exceptions, such as Chelsea, but how many clubs that are successful claim to have a 'philosophy' any different? There's nothing uniquely Manchester United about seeing ourselves as an attacking team.
 
markhrad said:
If LVG is to stamp his mark on the club its probably best he gets rid of all the Fergie and Moyes loyalists. They would only be a source of discontent when things don't go their way. This applies to both players and management staff. He does not want those that are unhappy bringing up comparisons and sowing seeds of rebellion.
I say start anew and only keep those who are willing to accept change.
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Couldn't agree more. Phil Neville simply must go and quick. All remnants of Moyes' draconian reign must be destroyed. His yes men must go.
 
MkPaul said:
To be fair, I think P Neville is more loyal to United than he Moyes, he shouldn't be too much of a problem.

The only issue I see is if LvG completely goes against the United philosophy. Giggs has already made it clear in his pressers he is a big believer so hopefully if LvG does go against it, Giggs will see it is in the best interest of the club.

Giggs highlighted that our philosophy was attacking exciting football, LvG would certainly bring that. If he chooses to utilize wingers in said system is down to him though, now the players/staff at United wanting philosophy.
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One cannot know the agendas of others. Why take the chance?
 
They were great players and loyal to utd but their careers are on a different path now. One has to be careful of self-interests.
 
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