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United linked with van Gaal in the meeja
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We've delayed the announcement until June 11th ? Source ?
It's not the lack of quotes in his articles that bother me. It's not even the fact that only the first paragraph of his articles is relevant to the news headline, and the rest is just filler from another one of his previous quote less articles. It's his smug little face in the picture at the top that really annoys me.
No but we have delayed it so now encroaches upon his preparation time for the competition, something he was reportedly and understandably keen to avoid. The day keeps being pushed back and everyone then says how it means nothing. You don't get meaningless push backs of announcements without reason. Why would a simple statement cause a media shitstorm now but won't as we get closer to the world cup. The man surely would have preferred to have dealt with the shitstom now rather than in the final weeks/days of his preparation for the competition, so at least he gets it out of the road.
Next week, last home game, end of the season, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, after their first friendly, early next week. I said last week if it didn't happen early this week it'd not happen until after the friendly. They've got another friendly vs Wales on 4th June. I'd not raise an eyebrow of surprise if the date gets pushed back beyond then.
It's not to say I don't think it'll eventually happen but clearly not everything is agreed. Otherwise why would an announcement the closer we get to the World cup cause less of the media shitstorm than it would last week or the week before or after the final home game, etc.
This is an out there theory but maybe we are delaying it as Van Gaal wants to get an idea on the English media.
Its incredible that one of the most credible papers in the UK has a guy like that writing for them.....immediately disregard anything that he publishes.
Danny Taylor, Ian Ladyman, Steve Bates, Mark Ogden, Ian Herbert - in that order.
You make it sound like Giggs was Fergie's partner over those twenty six years whilst he was just being managed by Fergie . Those twenty six years were spent as a player, those medals won as a player and whilst it's desirable to have him within the structures of the club it also shouldn't be a deal breaker . Another thing is that it is not ideal for a manager to work with a #2 he can not completely trust and who doesn't owe his presence at the club to that manager . The situation that makes it impossible for them to function as a team has been brought about by the likelihood that their fates won't be intertwined meaning that Giggs will most likely benefit from Van Gaal's fall . This scenario is fertile ground for mistrust because no sane manager will ever trust someone who has been made heir apparent before they were appointed and Giggs' desire to land that job will provide motivation towards undermining the incumbent . This insistence on Giggs being given a senior role has made Van Gaal vulnerable, he has been undermined before even landing the job .
You've hit the nail on the head there and I think a lot of people are in denial on the basis that they think it'd be cool to see Giggs in the dugout but the ingredients are there for van Gaal to be or to feel undermined, no question about it. What if the two fall out or van Gaal doesn't enjoy working with him, his capacity to do anything about it is severely limited.
How do you know LVG can't trust Giggs, there's no guarantee he will succeed LVG and when nor has he been heir. Where did you hear that? All this is pure speculation. We don't know what it will be in a contract.
Fergie's school of rhetoric?
There's no doubt about that!
If we play 3 at the back the Caf will melt.
As long as he cancels it out with a sexy midfield, we'll be fine.
I'm not sure if I'd like Robben here at his age. Also, I've never liked him.
Does anybody believe Bayern would sell us 3 players in one go?
We'd be lucky if we would get one.
We'd be lucky if we would get one.
I doubt he will. He almost exclusively plays 4-3-3. The only reason I can think that he's switching to three at the back for Netherlands is to maximise the attacking potential of the squad with the players at his disposal.
Look here this whole thread is based on speculation, there isn't a shred of evidence that points to LvG being this close to the United job . What we do know is that after Giggs' first win as a manager there was a sustained campaign from OT luminaries to hand the permanent gig to Ryan, we've all read reports that Fergie wants Giggs to take the role in three years, I suspect that if it was up to LvG then Giggs wouldn't be his first choice for #2 and we have had the likes of Robson stating that LvG ought to be made to keep Giggs and the Co92 on plus Giggs himself wants the job . Don't tell me that if you were LvG you'd completely trust Ryan in these circumstances, would you knowing that hugely influential figures have him earmarked to replace you ? Would you confide in him during a bumpy period ? Discuss openly with him about sensitive matters like dropping/selling one of his mates ? Not suspect him when team affairs are leaked ? What about Giggs won't he sense an opportunity to fulfil his lifelong dream when Van Gaal's ship hits an iceberg, the worse things go for Van Gaal the closer Giggs gets to that job because he will be the one people inside the stadium will turn to if shit hits the fan .
Thought I read that he's utilized quite a few formations in his time, though always keeping with the principles of Dutch total football.
Has has utilised a variety of formations, but in terms of planning a team, he does it with 4-3-3 in mind.
He does play a bunch of different formations. 3-5-2, 3-3-1-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3, 4-4-1-1 etc etc. There is no end to the formations he has played, it depends completely on which players he has at his disposal.
Not sure how much one should read in to his "I always play 4-3-3" statement, it obviously isn't true so it most likely came out wrong.
Can anyone give me a good reason as to why Giggs needed to fly over there and have a chat face to face?
i think most united fans would feel the same.
it would be a huge transfer fee, massive wages for a 30 year old winger, which is not a good age to be signing a winger.
think we would be very concerned if this is the kind of player Gaal wants to go for, its very very short term!
to see if they could get on and work together.
Giggs never said he wants the job, Fergie and Robson tip him to take over in 3 years, so what, it doesn't mean he will. You are portraying Giggs as some villain who will just wait for a 1st oportunity to get rid of RVG and who will work behind his back and all that without any evidence..
de Gea
Smalling - Carrick - Evans
Rafael - Carvalho - Strootman - Shaw
Mata
van Persie - Rooney
Nah. Do not want. Or maybe? Smalling - Carrick - Evans
Rafael - Carvalho - Strootman - Shaw
Mata
van Persie - Rooney
Seriously, no! I'm not sure.
Yeah, I think what he meant in that interview is that he sticks to 4-3-3 for Holland. I've read that 4-3-3 is very much the preferred formation for the national team in Holland.
That said he's going to 3-5-2 this weekend apparently, so...
When he took over at Bayern he tried a bunch of formations before he settled on 4-2-3-1. It'll be interesting to see what he tries with us.
I believe that too.
If it's a '3 year plan' then surely it would make sense to look to the future and give the u18/u21 youth setup and involve all of the class of 92 so that after 3 years when LvG retires the Butts, Scholes, Neville's etc will then have more experience and can learn from world class coaches and make the step up to the first team with Ryan Giggs as manager. It makes no sense to just get rid now. These lads would be such an inspiration for the young lads coming through the academy. I would definitely keep them involved
I would just say that's a 4312 and that Carrick as the DM would drop back when needed.
Even if you do play 3 true CBs, one would need to be able and willing to bring the ball out into midfield or you'd be playing 6 against 5 in offense.
If this is what the hold up is down to then the club should just say its up to Van Gaal. Then Louis can make the decision. If he wants to keep them he keeps them if he doesn't he doesn't. I don't understand giving Moyes free reign but not doing the same for Van Gaal, especially as Van Gaal is a much better manager. I love the class of 92 but their record since they took over is two wins, a draw and a loss which hardly points to positive transformation. If Giggs won't stay without his mates getting a job then maybe we have to consider letting him leave the club too. Gary Neville retired and got nothing etc. its never been a given that the old guard would be part of the coaching set up. If a break has to be made then so be it.
So if he does come, how will transfers work? Does he give us a list of players to go after or does Woodward try and buy who Moyes or Giggs wanted? Also, how does van Gaal assess our squad and make the necessary decisions about who stays and who goes if he's at the World Cup, is it all going to happen during pre-season?
But why would that matter at this point?
I wouldnt imagine Xavi/Puyol flying over to see if they can work together with the new Barca manager, Seems strange.
How reliable is this guy? Considering he works for the Daily Mail.
Ladyman is just trying to muck up.
I know that it's not the most reliable of sources, but on Talksport this morning they were reporting that LVG has given Woodward a list of transfer targets.
I dont get why it makes sense to keep Co92 involved. Why has April suddenly made that obviously preferable?
their not coaches, the obvious idea is that if they got on and shared a similar vision, giggs would work on Van Gaal coaching staff, probably as his assistant. the meeting was probably to see if that would be possible.
Also probably to discuss the summer, as giggs may have to take the lead on some transfer buisness, and will probably have to take the start of preseason training without Van Gaal.
so thier lots to discuss.
jsut have to se if it turned out positive or not, the fact thier is further delay is a tad worrying, but the media things the talks where positive, so thats a good sign.
"A system depends on the players you have. I played 4-3-3 with Ajax, 2-3-2-3 with Barcelona and a 4-4-2 with AZ. I'm flexible. The philosophy stays the same though. I don't think that you can adapt it to every possible situation. You need the right mindset, and it depends on how the players see the coach and vice versa. The coach is the focal point of the team but you need to have an open mind, and so do all the players. Everyone needs to work together to achieve a common goal." Van Gaal discusses his philosophy in 2008.
To be honest, there is a Dutch match on at the weekend. Friendly or not, it's still a warm-up game for the WC and the Dutch FA/United feel it's showing consideration that they don't announce it now while LVG is coaching the Dutch side in prep for the game on Saturday. After that, they have 2 weeks before their next game. Plenty of time for things to settle down once it's announce on Sun/Mon. The media is just blowing things out of proportion because there is no announcement to write about.
I agree with you that's probably what has been discussed in the Giggs/LVG meeting. People just need to chill out a bit and be patient. United never said there was going to be an announcement this week anyway. Just need to wait for it to be formally announced but, in my opinion, I think the deal to get LVG was officially done a couple of weeks ago before LVG joined up with the Dutch squad.
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