Have you guys ever watched a Pogba match? He scores beautiful and spectacular goals but his play is not of the level we recquire at United. He is not constant, and he is now focussing on the attacking aspect of the midfield, we need a CM, who is solid, can control the game and can bring the ball forward, Pogba could only bring the ball forward for us. If you ask a Juventus fan about the Pogba rumours, he will tell you that he is happy to get so much money for Pogba, they have Marchisio, Pirlo, Vidal who are far better than Pogba, while people rate Pogba of the same class.
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TBF we will be bringing Pogba back primarily for his projection in a couple of seasons. Of course he has some flaws and sometimes he lets the game pass by him. But it's rather unfair to compare him to a fully matured Vidal or an all time great in Pirlo. He has some issues with ball retention and patience but that's expected of a 21 year old CM that's still a bit inexperienced. All great midfielders - Keane, Vieira, Gerrard, Xavi, Toure etc had imperfections at that age. Vieira couldn't even break into Milan's first team at a similar age to Pogba's. Xavi fully bloomed only after the arrival of Edgar Davids when they won the UEFA Cup. He wasn't even part of the Spanish Euro 2004 squad at age 24. Toure was off the drawing board and playing in Metalurh Donetsk. Pogba's is far ahead of them all in developmental terms. Withhark work under the tutelage of a great trainer coach like Van Gaal he will inevitably iron out some minor flaws in technique and learn to control games and learn to focus on the defensive side. The leaning curve wouldn't be high for Pogba because he's so far ahead of other CMs his age.
He's 20 - and is a better players than the vast majority of 20 year olds around - how you compare him to a Vidal or even more ridiculously a veteran player with 15 plus years at the top level like Andrea Pirlo I dont know.
He could easily be as good, if not better than those players in the right environment. He has all the tools to become a real top class player. Hence why so many clubs would like him.
Wherever there's money to be made you'll have unscrupulous people - but that's a matter for the player really. He needs to try and surround himself with the right people. Even family are not neccessarily going to look after your best interests. Most players get that right and the vast majority of the top players will be with the etsbalished agenst who have a reputation to maintain and wouldn't burn their "name" (the most valuable they have most likely in terms of getting client's) for one big pay day.
Getting back to the original point - there seems to be a suggestion by some that all of this greed is driven by agenst, when in fact, these players are more clued up generally than they get credit for.
Certainly agree with that. I derailed things a bit by latching onto a single point, I dont think the greedy unscrupulous agent thing is a myth so much a cliche, a simplification and an exaggeration with a kernel of truth in it somewhere. I imagine in reality most of them are more like Jerry Maguire.
People talking about potential etc, for £60m I'd be expecting the finished article if not very close.
He is a talent I know that, but he is not the one who will make our midfield top top class on an instant basis.
Who said he would be? If the club are geniuinely interested he will be one of a number of targets I would imagine.
Read this forum and you will see plenty, people who are implying that he is the missing link. He is not good enough yet to make our midfield strong again.
I agreed - I think they have to be seen to be legitimate and looking out for their interests of the player. If I were a talented playwer and had my pick I'd go for the bloke who all of the other top players were with, who had the contacts and whose players had succesful careers at top sides - rather than the fella whose players get shunted around the place. I'd be concerned that the better sides would be put off any deal by the fact that the agent is "difficult" or unduly greedy, thereby damaging my prospects.
Well U suppose if the club do drop £60 million on him those in aharge, including Van Gaal obviously think he's worth it.
IF he lives up to his potential.
If he doesn't at £60m we would be facing a massive loss if we had to sell him in a few years.
60m would make him the 3rd most expensive player in history and he isn't close to that level now and even factoring in potential I think he will struggle to get to that level
If we do resign him I wonder what the reception for him will be like a OT because a fair few of my friends are convinced he left purely for money and not playing time, I wonder how many else might think this.
Even if he didn't fully live up to his potential currently he is a stand out player in a midfield containing Pirlo, Marchisio and Vidal which shows that he already has a lot of quality. That said if he does live up to his potential he could be the best player in the world someday. But £60m seems pretty steep considering we let him go for free.
I can only see two places where Pogba ends up next. Either PSG with Verratti and money going the other way and the Italian and the French club both getting their country's best midfielder, or Madrid.
Or City as a Yaya replacement, would be ideal.
As far from ideal as it can actually be for us though
Don't want to even entertain that thought.Horrible thought, isn't it?As far from ideal as it can actually be for us though
I feel dirty for even thinking it.This....he's not coming back here. The press are gonna keep linking him to us during the World Cup and will try to make out that a deal is imminent only for Pogab to go to PSG once the cup is over...I think LVG is set of getting Scweini and Strootman in midfield as he knows they are players that already respect him and I thik we will get strootman but with Schweini I'd say it's 50/50 as he will have plenty of offers
If he doesn't live up to expectations and only remains a good, rather than becoming a great player then why would we have to sell him?
Fact is you're stating the obvious. There are no guarantees with any players - the best you can make are educated guesses. Looking at him he looks like a player who will make the leap - if not then hard luck.
As I said the club clearly have numerous priorities. They will not buy one player, blow the budget and leave themselves short elsewhere. The manager is not a fool. If they deem him worthy of spending big money on then fair enough - It'll be nice to see the club competing for the worlds best young players.
A bad deal for one player will not cripple the club financially. You'd think fans would be happy that their club is interested in this sort of player.
In many recent interviews Deschamps is doing everything to keep Pogba's feet on the ground and make him humble.The kid has ridiculous skill and confidence but sometimes he annoys Deschamps due to his lack of tactical discipline. Discipline is what Deschamps was all about as a player and is as a coach.
I really hope Pogba doesn't get too big headed.
I really hope Pogba doesn't get too big headed.
Yep Deschamps also said he was annoyed about him taking too many risks in dangerous positions, notably dribbles in the middle of the field. Pogba has cockiness about him, sometimes too much. I feel Deschamps is handling him very, very well.
I hope he does. I hope he crashes back down to Earth. The kid thinks he's so good, so good that he couldn't wait just a few more months for us. So good that he can badmouth us every month. Well I'm sorry, I don't take that kind of shit. He needs a reality check.
The thing is he was and his that good.
So many just cant let go/
Who would you rather have for the few extra bob<and sense>,Gundogan,Carvalho and Kovavici.or Pogba?
We may see him in Manchester but only is Yaya leaves and he takes up residence at the Etihad.
Who would you rather have for the few extra bob<and sense>,Gundogan,Carvalho and Kovavici.or Pogba?
We may see him in Manchester but only is Yaya leaves and he takes up residence at the Etihad.
it's not that difficult to understand.
£60 Mil would be a huge chunk of our spending gone. As others have pointed out, Pogba will not solve our midfield problems straight away. If we continually fail at securing any silverware, less top class players will want to come and we'll be even more fecked.
I will bet my left and right bollock that this story is WUM.
I will bet my left and right bollock that this story is WUM.
I understand where you're coming from, I just find that this much bitterness is toxic. It's not like he was a major player when he left and no one really cared that much at the time.
Yeah for those that dont understand the ethos of Fergie ideology.
So lets not play the game of crying over a teenager who was wanted by the club ,offered a contract and fecked off.
So your not right its nots difficult to understand,just annoying to read the same recycled crap about someonewho didnt want to play for us years ago.
Why would we pay 60mil for someone who has only said bad things about us in the press. It sounds like bullshit.
In fairness he did have a right to blast Ferguson in the past simply because he has proven to be the best young midfielder in the world by a mile yet Fergie played Rafael and Park in midfield instead of him......That's the equivalent of being a professional plumber whose wife calls in a part time painter and a part time brick layer to fix the broken boiler tank because her husband doesn't have enough years of experience fixing boiler tanks.....
But apart from his blasts at Fergie that he has every right to make.....he hasn't really knocked the club that much and has probably also been misquoted and even went to say he loves Man Utd in another article in the past..The daily mail i mean made up an article that he hates us for absolutely no reason at all
In saying all that we have not got a hope of getting him back......he will end up at Real Madrid, City or PSG
I think Juventus know that at some point he will look for a move, but they are probably waiting for the likes of Real or PSG to throw stupid amount of money at him.
I doubt we will pay the amount that Juventus are looking for. I can't believe I am saying this, but compared to Pogba, Vidal is more realistic for us imo.
I doubt we will pay the amount that Juventus are looking for. I can't believe I am saying this, but compared to Pogba, Vidal is more realistic for us imo.
Juve will cash in on him big time when one of the giant spenders offer a crazy fee for him.
I don't see how we have any chance on this one.
I don't see how we have any chance on this one.
How many years on his contract? Does he not have just 2 years left?
Probably see him go to PSG or Real Madrid for stupid cash soon.
He'd be on that relatively small contract (compared to his stature today) that he signed two years ago. Unless he moves this summer, he'll definitely sign a new deal with Juventus.
throw 50m at Juventus and just bring him back.
Pogba to PSG and Kroos to Real next week, we will sign Clasie in the last hour of the transfer window^^
And Chelsea will hijack our Shaw deal after the world cup, I really can't be positive at the moment
Pogba to PSG and Kroos to Real next week, we will sign Clasie in the last hour of the transfer window^^
And Chelsea will hijack our Shaw deal after the world cup, I really can't be positive at the moment
I'm with you there mate.
It's known as chronic Woodward syndrome.
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