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Paul Pogba
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I'm sorry not buying he's the best in the world. I think him and vidal are a tad over rated, I mean, the two of them with Pirlo behind them, is arguably the best midfield in the world the way people go on about them.
Amazing isn't it.
Pogba was disastrously mismanaged by both Fergie and Gill, he should of been in the first team squad and seeing significant game time.
There were times we were 2 and 3 nil up and cruising and he still couldn't get on the pitch.
There's already a Pogba read with the same title.
In the football forum to discuss his performances for Juventus. This is for his transfer related news.
Hang on... We apparently offered the money he was asking for... It was playing time he wanted wich juve offered him whilst we picked park and da Silva in central mid ahead of him
I dont think we will sign him due to juve not needing / wanting to sell and other clubs being able to offer more money / cl football should he go. But it strikes me that it was wanting to play that drove him out of here in the first place so it seems a very strange reason not to want him
Ah right. Still, the same titles are confusing.
The sub headings are different, one has transfer forum underneath and the other has football forum underneath. It would be even more confusing if he didn't name the thread Paul Pogba to be honest.
Fergie always preached about giving youth a chance. He reintroduced that philosophy the minute he set foot at old Trafford and yet he went against the very fabrics he built the club upon by neglecting pogba and it bit him but most importantly the club in the arse. To add salt to the wounds, it was a position where we were and still are in dire need of improvement.
'The new Patrick Vieira mk. VII'
And even if you ask him today, his ego is so God damn high that he will say he does not regret his decision and it was the right thing to let him go.
To be fair there was good reasons why Pogba wasn't getting games at first team level. The biggest reason being he would regularly go missing in reserve games or even sometimes show real class and then produce nothing for the rest of the half. For most of he's last season with us he was regularly being out performed by Davide Petrucci(
)Pogba has all the talent clearly but the fact now he's already happy to leave Juventus now shows why United weren't starting him in the first place.
If available, yes.
feck his agent and feck the cost. Would have to be on a 6 year contract to keep him trying any shit for at least 4 seasons.
feck his agent and feck the cost. Would have to be on a 6 year contract to keep him trying any shit for at least 4 seasons.
He wanted him to stay
There'd definitely a counter-debate but I think the whole point is he's :
He's top level athletically/physically. Tall, strong, fast
He's top level technically for a CM. Great touch, ability to get out of a tight situation, dribbling, passing, shooting
And 21 years of age, where the only part thats not already top tier - his mental skills, positioning, decisions, etc are all likely to dramatically improve over the next 3 or 4 seasons. I think Pogba is pretty unique and I'm not sure who you could really compare him to. Maybe Zidane? As he was off the charts technically but also very strong physically but still didnt have pace.
So I think the idea that he's the best midfielder in the world is more about pointing out his unique collection of gifts and talent and a very strong all round game with few if any weaknesses rather than going by who had the best performance level over 38 league games.
As you say, his club formation and other players need to be taken into account. Juventus' tactics focus on making their CMs their star players and Pogba and Vidal have done it brilliantly. Put either of them in a midfield 2 next to Tom Cleverley and they'd struggle as much as any of the other top CMs
Would be a great signing. I think people should just forget about his time here and look at him as a Juve player. Barca had to pay for Fabregas and they also let us have Pique who they were lucky to get back for a low fee. Maybe we have to do the same and pay the price for our mistakes.
60 million? Not a chance.
Another 10 on top of it and we could land 2 midfielders.
Reckon if he comes back to England he ll be off to City.
Another 10 on top of it and we could land 2 midfielders.
Reckon if he comes back to England he ll be off to City.
Except their agents weren't fecked up and they were Barca born and bred. I doubt Pogba have that much love for United like the duo have for Barca.
Sorry for my ignorance but what are his "antics off the pitch"?
Well its his agent's antics off the pitch. Always looking for more money and looking for a new club to whore his player off to.
So we now need to find a top class midfielder, Manchester born and bred, loves United & has an agent that doesn't care about money. Ok good plan.
It seems like he didn't leave for money, if I was offered the same wage + pitch time at Juventus, I would have left as well. He knew he had the ability and wanted to show it, but Fergie put Park and Rafael in midfield (which was understandable, as we were in a title race). To put it simply, he did what he had to do.
I would take him back in a heartbeat. Why would he want to play in empty stadiums in Italy when he play infront of 70,000 + at Old Trafford, As for PSG, we are a way bigger club than they will ever be, they don't even have 10% of the exposure United do on a world wide sale. People seem to forget that when our new deals are done, we will have the biggest revenues in the world again. We can pay him just as much as plastic clubs such as PSG and City can.
Bring him back woody.
I would take him back in a heartbeat. Why would he want to play in empty stadiums in Italy when he play infront of 70,000 + at Old Trafford, As for PSG, we are a way bigger club than they will ever be, they don't even have 10% of the exposure United do on a world wide sale. People seem to forget that when our new deals are done, we will have the biggest revenues in the world again. We can pay him just as much as plastic clubs such as PSG and City can.
Bring him back woody.
We bought fellaini for just under 30 million. That's the current market we are working with. Surely Pogba is worth twice as much as Fellaini?
I'm sure Pogba has no intention of ever coming back
TBH, under normal circumstances I would say lets stay well away from him, he seems more trouble than he's worth. But considering the state of our current midfield, I don't think that we can afford to worry about things like that. So if he's available, then lets go after him.
If he had dumped his agent, then yes he would be okay. But with Raiola, you just know he is going to keep coming back for more.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Pogba and Raoila end up using us over the next month or two so that they can secure the mega contract they are looking for at either Chelsea, Bayern, Madrid or PSG who are all much bigger players than us in the transfer market
I feel we're being a tad harsh on Fergie, actually. A tad. He was slowly breaking Pogba in - too slowly, possibly, but still. It was a messy season, after all. Scholes regretted his decision, was welcomed back - and didn't exactly embarrass himself in the later stages of the season, which should have ended with us capitalizing on City's spectacular slip-up.
If Pogba had stayed he would've been given ample chances the following season - I'm sure of that. So, all things said and done, if he had been just a wee bit more patient, we wouldn't be having these debates. I'm not saying Fergie played his hand perfectly - but still. I suppose he developed a weakness over the years, following Keano's departure, in midfield matters - the insistence on making do with what he knew rather than drastically improving that area. But he wasn't blind to talent - so, again, I'm convinced Pogba would've featured regularly in the season following his exit.
If Pogba had stayed he would've been given ample chances the following season - I'm sure of that. So, all things said and done, if he had been just a wee bit more patient, we wouldn't be having these debates. I'm not saying Fergie played his hand perfectly - but still. I suppose he developed a weakness over the years, following Keano's departure, in midfield matters - the insistence on making do with what he knew rather than drastically improving that area. But he wasn't blind to talent - so, again, I'm convinced Pogba would've featured regularly in the season following his exit.
What's the worst case scenario? We get a decent midfielder for a few years and then sell him to Madrid. I wouldn't be against that at all with the position we are in and who knows he might enjoy it here if he is a regular starter and we get back to winning trophies.
We were forced to pay that much for Fellaini for a few reasons.
1. Last day in window, Everton could increase price a lot.
2. We haggled for ages, and eventually settled for him as we signed a player under fear. Everton had us where they wanted.
Fellaini was worth 15-18m then and is worth less now. Pogba is worth double that sure. That's only around 30m or max 40m.
My view on signing him is largely dependent on whether it happens or not.
He signs: brilliant news, the lads potentially great and I'm not worried about the fee. Well in.
He doesn't: Glad, more trouble than he's worth and I wouldn't want him anywhere near here out of principle.
He signs: brilliant news, the lads potentially great and I'm not worried about the fee. Well in.
He doesn't: Glad, more trouble than he's worth and I wouldn't want him anywhere near here out of principle.
Being 10 times better than Fellaini....he should be worth even more than just twice as much as him
Actually, fergie is convinced pogba signed a contract with Juventus long before he left. Whatever excuses came out later were just a smokescreen by his agent.
If he leaves Juventus now, 2 years later, despite being happy etc. then he's nothing more than another mercenary footballer chasing cash at the behest of a shady agent. He will move on from his next club in another 2-3 years.
I'd rather build something without him
Which is why using us doesnt make sense.
They can easily play Chelsea, Bayern, City, Madrid and PSG against each other without ever mentioning us.
Certainly possible, but not necessarily true. He could probably get a better deal financially somewhere else, and despite his comments about bad treatment at United he's also said that he's grateful for what the club did for his development, and, on leaving the club: "It was a very, very difficult moment for me because I was in love with Manchester and I was a Mancunian"
Could be pandering bullshit of course but it's not impossible that he genuinely wants to play here.
Had Moyes still been in charge, I would have said yes. With LVG, I'd rather he took some time to assess the squad relative to the style of play he wishes to adopt, then make a decision on key purchases. So in simple terms, no to Pogba for £50m - £60m, at this point in time.
He reminds me of Ibrahimovic, another Raiola client. Very talented, but always falling out with clubs and generating a payday for his agent and moving for a bigger wage packet.
I haven't forgotten his dogshit performance in that LC match to Palace where he had to be shifted to CB at the end. Between that and his lack of performance for the reserves his bleating on about that Blackburn match garners no sympathy from me. He didn't deserve to be handed a first team place, but he won't shut up about being "disrespected".
For the fee discussed you want someone to build your club around. Leave the Pogba's of the world for the oligarchs, the oil barons, and the circus acts.
I haven't forgotten his dogshit performance in that LC match to Palace where he had to be shifted to CB at the end. Between that and his lack of performance for the reserves his bleating on about that Blackburn match garners no sympathy from me. He didn't deserve to be handed a first team place, but he won't shut up about being "disrespected".
For the fee discussed you want someone to build your club around. Leave the Pogba's of the world for the oligarchs, the oil barons, and the circus acts.
Will probably be a City trophy signing within the next couple of years to replace Yaya.
I'd take him if he performs.
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