Clearly you aren't overly versed on the subject, can you show me evidence of Pogba displaying his "mouth piece", he never blew the reserves apart, he was arrogant, but not rude and evil like some make out, if I had that talent, I'd probably be as arrogant.
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Clearly you aren't overly versed on the subject, can you show me evidence of Pogba displaying his "mouth piece", he never blew the reserves apart, he was arrogant, but not rude and evil like some make out, if I had that talent, I'd probably be as arrogant.
If you go back and read the reserve game threads he was involved in, everyone praised him. The only poor performances he had was when he was a winger due to Gibson having to play. It's a myth that he wasn't good for the reserves.
Its you who needs to read up on what unfolded no offence.
Im sick of rehashing some prima donna immature,above his station antics, young guy that didnt want to play for our badge and club.
Going by your samey attitude you wouldnt make the grade either for us, players earn the right to be indulged, no matter if you had his talent or not.
Scoring a few crackers in the reserves does not earn you the right to spout off to Alex to play.
He may have been indluged if he adapted the right work ethic and attitude and bt he fecked off,and never allowed himself that right.
Boo hoo,hope he come s to the etihad so we can smash him up on yearly basis.
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Its very far from a myth,but as i said its multi facetted. Yeah th blackburn game burned him,but show my a player fergie never left out at some point?
You adapt or leave,first memory of this was Sparky,tht broke my heart him going to Chelsea.
Anyway its a ethos thing.
Incorrect.
He was never poor for the reserves but for a player with so much talent he definitely didn't do himself justice. There were a bunch of games where he was much less involved than he should have been, when you would have been expecting him to really dominate. Tended to let the game pass him by instead.
Obviously, he still got a lot of praise as you could see he was going to be a brilliant player so people were understandably excited about him. Definitely didn't do himself justice though.
You don't belong here, you can't even structure your writing, at least don't make me work to read it... your opinions are so wayward and definite, crazy, but I'll leave it there, good luck on this forum mate.
Sugar coating it a bit.
Between his stain of agent and the players poor attitude he decided to stop performing,our contract was offered then refused and it was a crap situation.
Certainly not the clubs fault.
Carvalho who is completely different to pogba, has a lower cieling and has only played in Portuguese league?
Gundogan who has been injured for thr majority of the year or dtrootman who is older and a level below pogba?
Rubbish bitter hate-filled posts. How did he act like a prime donna ? The move has been good for his career. He's playing for one of the greatest clubs in the world and already an important player for the French national team. What would you want him to do ? Stay in the reserves and twiddle his thumbs ? And just so you know his primary motivation for moving to Juventus was playing time. That's why he took a smaller pay package than we or City were offering. If he had attitude problems he could've easily joined City to spite United, who BTW were offering more money than Juventus and Vieira is a big fan of Pogba to boot. Get off your high horse. Plenty of players move clubs to get playing time. Pique from Barcelona, Mata from Real, Reus from Dortmund, Cesc from Barcelona. Pogba wasn't the first and he won't be the last.
BTW Carvalho is several notches below Pogba who has the potential to be one of the best of his generation. Think before you type such hysterical nonsense. I don't condone people blaming Fergie and the club for Pogba's exit, we need to move on it's in the past. But I'm even more infuriated by posts that are ill-informed and filled with spite and resentment for the guy.
Where did you get all these precise estimates about the various deals on offer to him and his agent?
On the more general point, he obviously didn't act like a prima donna. He was obviously very impatient though. A lot of us think it's a pity he didn't appreciate how good Fergie's record is at at knowing the right pace to develop young talent but meh, it's all water under the bridge now.
His decision doesn't look particularly bad from his own perspective in hindsight, especially since Fergie retired and things went to shit at United (not that he could have known this would happen).
Jaysus much love for the defector here.
Anyway wank away over him lads and read up a bit,or better still listen those who watched it happen before getting emotional.
Theres nothing ill informed about any thing ive said,point them out please.Oh and im entitled to my opinion,please try and be factual and less ott.
When was the last time we smashed man city? Yearly basis
Its called foresight.
You need to relax pal.
It was well reported in 2012 TBF. Would link but knowing google it'll only show up the recent 2014 links with City.
Attitude reeks because of his haircut. One of the worst points I've seen on here.
He's a 21 year old. What are people expecting? Every other player with a different haircut also has a bad attitude clearly.
He's a 21 year old. What are people expecting? Every other player with a different haircut also has a bad attitude clearly.
Really? I was all over this story in 2012 (like most people on here) and don't remember reading anything about exactly what he could earn at the various different clubs. Truck-loads of speculation though, as always.
wee man.You can take my word for it (if that's worth anything though I doubt it is). I'm 100 % positive that it was reported (by a reliable outlet too), I just can't remember where and TBF google is throwing recent reports at me.
Wait hold on. This isn't the thing I read TBF but you can see he was earning peanuts at Juventus :
http://www.football-italia.net/39212/pogba-wants-wages-quadrupled
This reports his salary between 0.8m - 1.0m € PA at Juventus initially which works out to less than 20k € per week. And although I can't find the article I distinctly remember City offering ~25k £ in 2012. Then again I can't prove it right now so you don't have to believe me.
Another thing that aggravates me is people slandering the guy and proclaiming that he disrespected United when he's been nothing but complementary apart from the made-up Daily Mail/ Mirror etc interviews. He's only mentioned the fact that Sir Alex didn't believe in him enough for a regular first team job which led to his departure amidst feelings of devaluation at the club.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/pogba-thankful-united
This whole thing smells of hypocrisy from some supporters of our club TBF. We sat in our ivory towers when he was signed from Le Harve and there were allegations of improper compensation to the club and us privately paying money to Pogba's family to seal the deal. They even took up the case to FIFA's tribunal.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/aug/01/united-le-havre-pogba
Yet when he leaves us he's a cnut, a traitor and whatnot. He left us. I mean let's move on please. Plenty of players leave their clubs. And it's not even as if he was our most important player. We've recovered from much worse positions. Then on the opposite end of the spectrum are dudes like Herokillersomething that go to extreme lengths in slandering him. There just seems to be little middle ground and he's become a lightning rod for hyperbolic debate.
What if he doesn't want to come back? Not quite as simple as you suggest is it.
Well isn't that the part of buying any player? Convincing the player and his agent that it's the best move. If the Woodward and the manager can't convince the best to come on board, they are doing one aspect of their jobs very well.
You were never going to reach 10 European cups Glazers or not.
He is a diving cnut, just look at the way he wears his shorts. Should get a 3 month ban that is just outrageous.
So our commercial success if not down to them? I don't think the Glazers have done enough investing into the squad I agree, but to say they have done nothing for the club is ridiculous.
Also we have actually spent quite a bit of money in the wrong areas (that is not down to the Glazers) Berbatov & RVP signings spring to mind (When we had Rooney and gaping holes in midfield). Not to mention the flops of Nani & Anderson who cost quite a lot too.
So in terms of players signed, I can't put ALL of that down to the Glazers as they let Fergie run the footballing side,
Oh my bad then, forget the word "stupid" and replace it with "funny".
He is confident in his abilities and that will rub some people the wrong way. People want all players to be like Scholes and Iniesta which is silly. As long as he can back up his arrogance on the pitch with his performances i'm fine with it. I think he will eventually leave Juve because Serie A is not one of the top leagues right now. We are crying out for a player of his ilk, but I doubt we will pay the 30 million needed to bring him in since he was once a youngster here.
Listen hes gone,hes not coming back,and the way hes being championed as the prodigal son is really narking me.
Yeah it was a dig,but with the other options,and ridiculous money he ll go for, hes not for us. We can snap up 2 quality centre mids for that cash.
I see mains are just as divided as the newbs.Actually strike that,there seems to be a few more in the pogba camp,hoping ,praying,and willing to sell their soul to take him back.
I would sell your soul if we can have him back.
Am I angry we let him go ? No because at the time it was the right decision for everyone involved and it's pointless to dwell on the past ? Would I welcome him if he's to come back ? Absolutely yes because we're no position to refuse quality players.
Mate i dont disagree,well apart from i dont see him ever coming back and all the "split milk Brigade" really need to see it.
Exactly. To suggest Carvalho (an unproven, more workman-like player who plays in a weak league) & Strootman is just silly. I sense a feeling of bitterness here from you, @herokiller84, & I mean no offence at all - you're probably not alone. Pogba is simply a level (or two) above those players, as good as they may be. Gundogan is better, yes, but his injury problems are very serious - he may recover, but there is a reason why no one has taken the gamble yet. He hasn't kicked a ball in a year.
Yeah I agree with the same, Pogba feels hurt and will probably never come back.This is a waste of hope when it comes to signing a player.
Ive admitted to my stance and there is a bit of sourness all right with me mate im ok with that.
Yes your point is valid,but stootman and gundogan<fit of course> offer more than Pogba,and with van gaal governing,jesus all i want is that driving winning ethic back in the squad collectively.
So by my own personal gut feeling may look silly,but i see a more fluent midfield with 2 players rather than one for the cash being quoted.nevermind hype pressure and not knowing Van Gaals no shit attitude.
Pogba had his chance here.
That's fair enough, then - I don't think anyone likes watching Pogba score great goals week in week out for another top club. I think at the minute, Strootman is probably more effective & consistent than Pogba, but I believe Pogba is the one with the highest ceiling of them all. I can imagine him turning into a monster of a player in a few years if he doesn't stunt his development. That is an if, though - who knows how well he will progress?
Agreed about the winning ethic, clearly our problems right now go further than the midfield - our mentality has been all over the place for a while now. However, I hope Van Gaal purchases at least one top-quality central midfielder or else we can kiss goodbye any chances of winning the league (or even being near to it).
Pogba did indeed have his chance here & as a fan, I just simply think he was right to move away - that's all. I understand your point of view completely, but I just cannot help but feel that everyone (unless a United fan) would have done the same in his position. To be fair to you, I was also quite bitter about him going, too. I guess you can't win them all.
He didn't get his chance though did he - that was why he left.
I think criticism like that is unfair. He felt he was ready, Fergie felt otherwise - he left and was a regular in a top side almost straight away so was vindicated in his decision.
Massive error by Fergie. Losing a young player, in a position we're desperate in, probably worth £50 plus million now - for absolutely nothing. The club got that as wrong as you can get it.
As it is we need more than one midfielder for me, but I'm glad the club are considering players like him, even for a big fee. It indicates the clubs ambition.
May be Sir Alex would have also played him as regularly as he got played at Juve if he stayed.
It wasn't an error by him. He was going head to head against our city rivals, don't think Pogba's United career was at the top his priority list.
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