Think he meant to post in the Shaw thread.
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Think he meant to post in the Shaw thread.
I think teams would no more come to Old Trafford all pumped up wanting to win, unlike last season. Hope he lives up to it.
Who is Ander Herrera?
Apologies! belonged in the Herrera thread!
Posted this a while ago in another thread but didn't get a reply. It was a way of solving the CB issues we were having.
EDIT: this was prior to Mata
It seems a little narrow compared to the following, which seems to utilise our full-backs crossing over in attack, while also adding more defensive cover on the wings.
This seems an ideal solution, and would be great to see in action, both defensively and going forward.
EDIT: this was prior to Mata
It seems a little narrow compared to the following, which seems to utilise our full-backs crossing over in attack, while also adding more defensive cover on the wings.
This seems an ideal solution, and would be great to see in action, both defensively and going forward.
I dont have the problem with his mentality. He plays the system that will get him the best possible result. I am convinced that we will play attacking football but if needed, we should be flexible enough to adapt. Otherwise, we get trashed by the top teams like we did last season
By and large, I would expect Van Gaal to play attractive football. That been said, if he can do a Mourinho and go to Anfield and get a result then that would be brilliant. Want payback on all these gobbers.
3-5-2 that is. i think we might see this formation a few times, maybe for the tough away games especially.
I don't think welbeck could do what robben does, who robben can not only take on fullbacks, but beat a man with pace. Yes welbeck has pace, but robben is the classic dribbler who is very hard to contain when robben is at full acceleration.
but we may have to play 352 at times, as LVG does like 3 man midfield, well atleast 2 holding midfielders with a number 10 which he has got in mata, who is allot like WS. I still think 3 at the back could be a problem, but for LVG to get his system into place, he will need a top class wide player and possibly anothern CB for this to work. But I still feel 3 at the back is pretty risky, but does he want 2 upfront? and 5 in midfield? 2 holding and a number 10, if he does? he may have to play 3 at the back, since we do not have a great deal of depth at the back
Has long as its not 442
Has long as its not 442
Has been so impressive this world cup. Waltzed through the toughest group in the draw with a very limited squad by Dutch standards. Has them all pulling together which is a near impossibility usually with Dutch squads. Has shown himself to be pragmatic and adaptable in his tactics and in making the most of the resources he has, even when losing his midfield general to injury. Has set his team up differently in each of the three games, but won them all. Treats the media like shite and generally exudes an air of being in total control. Seems to have snuffed out al these silly transfer leaks emanating from the club too.
Honestly think he could be the difference between 7th and a title challenge. He is everything Moyes wasn't.
Honestly think he could be the difference between 7th and a title challenge. He is everything Moyes wasn't.
The controversy bit reminds me of the sort of stories you'd read about Fergie. Such a character. Getting more excited by the day.
There's nothing wrong with 442, its how you use it. Louis used it at AZ and it was a very fluid and attacking 442 which ended up winning him the Eredivisie.
We have not got any top class wingers for a 442, and I would rather Valencia nani and young get has little time on the pitch has possible, giving Valencia a new contract still boggles the mind after the way he has played the past 3 years
We could always play the Atletico Madrid style 442, where the wingers aren't wingers but basically central midfielders who are positioned out wide. That's how they play koke generally, and we did something similar with Hargreaves and Park back in the day.
Signing up Valencia makes sense, he's not been at his best, but he's still performed better than Nani, Young and Kagawa. The latter, only got 3 assists and zero goals last season, and he's supposed to be a shining example in our team.
Problem with kagwa? You got to build your midfield around him, and he's got to play behind the striker and we have better players in front if him, like Rooney and especially mata. Young and nani are a waist of time and I will be glad to get rid of both, if united can sign a di Maria or a Sanchez
I still think we lack the speed and acceleration to stretch sides, like how di Maria and robben give to Madrid and bayern. Rooney mata janazaj RVP play infront of teams, we need speed to open sides up, we have some ball players, we just need speed and acceleration to come up with something different, to balance out the ball players. United at their best always had a mix of both, we need to regain that again
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I thought he was going to kill somebody with the way he ran over.I think we will play with a 3 CB
A 3-5-2 / 5-3-2
A 3-5-2 / 5-3-2
I don't. 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 will win out.
I dont think we will set up with 3 at the back as standard but it will be interesting to see how tactically flexible we are, whether we set up like that for certain games or whether we pick a system like 433 or 4231 and stick to it religiously. I imagine he will want to stick to a particular system until we are properly comfortable with it rather than complicating things by changing things around all the time.
I agree that on paper the 3 at the back system does look well suited to the resources we currently have but I dont think Van Gaal will want to go all in with it.
I agree that on paper the 3 at the back system does look well suited to the resources we currently have but I dont think Van Gaal will want to go all in with it.
except he's even more adaptable than before. that needs to be commended imo
indeed some call that defending with the ball
as Spain have showed unless you are playing an attacking football style at a very high level, it's not easy to be playing attractive football all the time. Plus with there being short turnaround time between end of domestic season and preparation for WC with warm-up friendlies, it's important that coaches find solutions which they feel gives their team the best chance to win. That's what van Gaal is doing with the Dutch and it makes sense since this is a tournament and it's his last time leading the Dutch national team. So yes, it shouldn't be a surprise if van Gaal is looking to be more pragmatic in this type of environment. It would be silly not to.
im not claiming it is easy to do, or that we should do it every game.
but it would be nice to see us come out of the blocks and really attack a big team, instead of our normal stop them playing being our main priority.
but you are right we need to be pragmatic, and our main goal has to be to get back into the CL, but still some attractive football is something i think a lot of united fans(myself included) are desperate for.
I would like to see attacking football too but it also begs the question at what cost? Being pragmatic doesn't necessarily you mean sacrifice attacking football at the same time but it does mean you are willing to do so if that's what's deemed necessary to win. also, sitting deeper and catching teams on the break is a form of attacking football. To some, it may not be as attractive as a more dominant style of attacking.
What I like about LVG is he's not just about attacking but also about establishing a sense of balance within the team. He wants his players to keep their defensive duties in mind while they attack. This is why Holland's defensive transitions have usually been so good. You're not attacking with complete abandon. You're also being aware of what you need to do the instant you lose possession.
this is very important because it's in those initial moments of defensive disorganization where teams can really hurt you on the counterattack. It's also why I think in the initial phase of Holland's defensive setup, at least one player presses the ball carrier immediately. If possession isn't won then retreat to more defensive positions and help maintain overall team defensive shape. I will talk more about this in a thread I made regarding LVG's system
I agree with this and I said it earlier too. I didn't know he had the 5-3-2 in him, he is actually deviating quite a lot not just from his ideal formation but his ideal system with this Holland. A manager known for his offensively dominating style has suddenly shown he also masters a very defensive and reactionary style as well.
But what I am most impressed with is the fact that he seems to have brushed off the issues he previously had where the squad always had some members turn against him. In this Holland everybody seems to absolutely love him and that is a skill he didn't really have before, I am not sure whether it is an improvement he has made or if it is just the fact that the players suit him much more this time.
He has had his troops with him before to later see them turn on him, but the harmony in Holland seem to be the best of all teams in the tournament.
This is precisely what I mean. He does like discipline but seems to have learned you can't be too strict with your players otherwise you come across as out of touch. Although, I do think he is helped by the fact he is working with a good number of young players in this squad. He's an expert at working with young players and it's showing once again in the performances of these young Dutchmen. They may not shine as well in club but they've definitely drawn some interest through their performances. That's not easy to do when you're coming up against tough opposition.
You can have a bunch of superstars in your team but if the squad harmony isn't there, I struggle to see how the group will achieve success
Me too.
Surely Louis Van Gaal did his job as a strong personality to get Woodie to complete the Herrera deal? No dithering this time.
here's a post match analysis i wrote if you want to check it out https://www.redcafe.net/threads/a-quick-review-of-lvgs-system.391840/page-4#post-15941777
Cheers bud.
An Iconic photo of a young Van Gaal sitting next to his mentor, the father of total football and the most influencial manager to ever live Rinus Michels.
Might come with age. Heynckes was known as a coach that had problems with players very often, too - at Bayern he was a diplomate and father figure.
Good point. Sir Alex too seemed to mellow with age
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