Not really - he has been a useful player but at the end of the day he plays for a team with low expectations who opposition teams like Holland and Chile probably don't take that seriously. Playing for a team with an ambition to compete (and, whether realistic or not, England did go out against Italy and Uruguay with a genuine aim to get three points), against whom the opposition set up accordingly, is a different kettle of fish.
What Now For Moyes?
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Not really - he has been a useful player but at the end of the day he plays for a team with low expectations who opposition teams like Holland and Chile probably don't take that seriously. Playing for a team with an ambition to compete (and, whether realistic or not, England did go out against Italy and Uruguay with a genuine aim to get three points), against whom the opposition set up accordingly, is a different kettle of fish.
the churlish part of me does think "who cares" every time I see this thread bumped...
Bit harsh, he was a nice man.
Bit harsh, he was a nice man.
Just strikes me as moving the goalpost to suit your point to be honest.
Fair enough. Maybe I need to move on from Moyes....
To be honest I don't even think Cahill was an elite player I was just using your logic and it's probably because I am slightly annoyed at the criticism Baines is getting when nearly every English player at World Cups in my lifetime haven't looked good but its being used as a stick to beat Baines with despite him being consistently excellent for 5 seasons at Everton week in week out.
He does still seem to divide opinion thats a fact.
I guess its the things hes come out with since he was sacked, the alleged use of his media pals to write stories about his time at United with tinted glasses. I dont hate the man but when i think of how he bent over for Rooney, countless interviews where he would give excuse after excuse (SAF would struggle here, i need to build my own team i cant work with someone else, we aspire to be like City, Liverpool are favourites at OT) and lack of any presence in the dugout just make it hard for me to speak well of that man.
He can hopefully take Young and Nani. Gala can surely afford their wages?
You are right that if we judged English players solely on how they played for England in recent years, it would be a short list of top players. Personally, I was hugely disappointed with Baines in both a defensive and offensive sense but I am not trying to load the blame on him. The whole defensive set up (including the midfield "shield") was poor.
Please Moyes, whatever you do, please don't comment on your short Manchester United career. Just leave it, we've moved on, and so should you. If in the future, he says he would have done X thing differently, signed X player over X player, it'll only be fuel for those who hate him. For the better of his life, he should focus on his new managerial role, and if he is ever questioned about it, just say you're focusing on the current, not the past.
I made this post in the Baines thread.
I suppose the irony is that he replaced the only English player who actually performed to there true ability in a England shirt.
Galatasaray have began negotiations with Prandelli, looks like Moyes failed to impress them.
Oh Moysie 
Bradford, Coventry etc
Prandelli is an excellent manager, no wonder they're going after him now that he's available.
England manager.
Bad news, how will we offload Fellaini and Young now
I'd rather we stick with Hodge Podge.
When he was linked to Spurs I prayed and prayed it wasn't going to happen.
Galatasaray would have been a mental choice for him. I'd be flabbergasted if he gets another CL job right away. His problem is he may hang around too long waiting for one. The longer he's out of the game the less attractive he'll become to suitors as there's always someone else coming up on the radar.
No team with CL ambitions will ever employ him, its harsh, but such was the size of his cock up at United, its effectively ended any chance of him getting a truly ambitious club again.
I actually think it's the opposite. He can at least hope that chairmen of big clubs forget about his United spell at some point.
I dont think the United showing will have any bearing, i think he just isnt good enough to be a top manager.
TBH i dont think outside United any top club would have given him a chance, it was amazing when we did... and stood by him as long as we did. Barca had a terrible season and sacked their manager but at least they still finished 2nd.
To be blunt Moyes only ever had one shot at a top club (hell even one in the UCL) and i dont think he will ever find his way back to one.
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Dumbarton is calling.
He has a high opinion of himself. That's his biggest problem. He would have been better off taking a modest job and trying to rebuild his reputation like Sparky after his stint at City or Hodgson at WBA after his glorious disastrous Liverpool spell. He is going to end up like Curbishley who hasn't found a gig in years.
He'll be Scotland manager in a couple of years.
He certainly seems to have ideas of grandeur again for some reason, I see the Dutch, or Russian league calling myself.
He should have taken the Celtic job if it was offered.
That's actually a pretty good shout. I can't see Moyes rising above the West Ham level in the prem, but he might do very well for his country.
Galatasaray have appointed Cesare Prandelli as their new manager. Unlucky Moysey.
I always thought it would be a bizarre decision by Galatasaray to appoint Moyes, I don't think he'll get another job at Champions League team.
I always thought it would be a bizarre decision by Galatasaray to appoint Moyes, I don't think he'll get another job at Champions League team.
I've not followed Prandelli's career but he hasn't won anything either apart from Serie B in 1999. Got to the Euro's final but his team got destroyed. How highly is Prandelli rated?
Galatasary were never going to appoint Moyes, if Moyes is so eager to manage in the Champions League he should join a decent side with ambition and get them qualified for the competition, because i just don't see any CL level club hiring him right now or any time soon.
The Dutch league would have probably been his best shout to get a club into the CL. Perhaps Celtic too if he were interested in that opening.
He was brilliant on Fiorentina. Imagine Moyes on Everton, but playing the best football in England (by a big distance) and also reaching UCL knockout stage. He didn't won anything because Fiorentina didn't have the finances of other teams (and actually they were on Serie B a couple of years before he took over) but then when he took the team got a third place and one or two times the fourth place. They would have eleminated Bayern on 2009-2010 if it weren't for Ovrebo and his assistants who missed a 5 yard offside goal. His style of football was excellent for them, playing better and more attacking than any Italian team I have ever seen (well, possibly Conte's Juve is right there too).
On 2012 he did a good job with Italy but this time it was a monumental failure. Still he's an excellent coach and from coaches that haven't won much, he may be - after Bielsa - the best one.
As I was watching Costa Rica, I found myself thinking that Moyesie could do something similar. Making yourself "hard to beat" and emphasising effort and workmanship can take you far in international competitive matches, especially if you manage a side that lacks a good amount of gifted players and doesn't have high expectations.
In a way, the stakes are also lower and international managers are given a lot more time than club managers. If he shines at the international stage, he might get another crack at a decent club.
In a way, the stakes are also lower and international managers are given a lot more time than club managers. If he shines at the international stage, he might get another crack at a decent club.
He should have landed the Celtic job. Holland is another alternative. If he's waiting for a Champions League club then he may as well just pack in altogether because he isn't getting one, unless he likes the idea of Belarus and BATE Borisov. They can qualify. Too small for big Davey, though. It's either more meetings with Guardiola or not at all...
Moyes will end up at a mid table team. Probably West Ham (if Big Sam gets the boot) or somewhere like Villa.
He should go abroad to try and rebuild his reputation.
He should go abroad to try and rebuild his reputation.
What has Prandelli done to be appointed if they never gonna appoint Moyes ?
Similar level of managers.
Similar level of managers.
Well we better hope he gets a decent job soon. May be our only chance to flog Fellaini for a decent fee.
He was linked with a few german clubs before. Especially strongly to Schalke.
Hmm yeah, Queiroz with Iran too. Can probably find that sort of job somewhere round the world but the thing with taking such a job is it puts you out of the radar a bit back for a bigger club job and he is still relatively young.
Otherwise a mid table prem club or Russian league sort of job he may be able to get. Better chance after mid season sackings begin.
Many mid table clubs would be happy to take Fellaini for 10 to 15 million, i would imagine if he wanted out and was willing to take bit of a wage hit.
Enraptured with Moyes' failure to get a decent job. I despise him.